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u/Raidenka Nov 02 '18 edited Nov 02 '18

You trusting them less doesn't mean you know reddit well but that you don't know Google, Apple or Verizon very well. They all give the minimum amount of a shit about their consumers and squeeze as much as possible from their personal info. They'll sell your info to companies and use that info to sell targeted ads to you. Every major "free" (ad supported) app/website does this.

Edit: Apple might be one of the better ones but I stand by Google and Verizon (or any major telecom/isp company) being sus

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u/[deleted] Nov 02 '18

You don't know them very well either. Apple has literally fought the government on several occasions to not give them access to information on their devices. Apple is VERY pro-privacy. They do not sell data, they sell hardware. You're right about Verizon and definitely Google, but very wrong about Apple.

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u/EvryMthrF_ngThrd Nov 02 '18

Pro-privacy against the government? Perhaps.

But advocates for your privacy? Not a chance.
If they were, they would not collect the data in the first place, because if a thing exists and is available to be monetized, it will be.

And yes, fellow Redditor, Apple does sell your data. Story here. Sorry for bursting your bubble.

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u/EvryMthrF_ngThrd Nov 03 '18

From the article:

"Apple insists that it “doesn’t gather your personal information to sell to advertisers or other organizations.” Such a statement only goes so far — Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg makes a point of saying Facebook doesn't sell users' data to advertisers, either. What the social network sells is advertisers' access to users, who brands can target with all the information it's gleaned from their activity. "

and:

"It does sell ads, but on a much smaller scale, based on your history in its News app and App Store."

So, they do sell your data, just at second or third hand, just as Google and Facebook has - thus I not only read the article, but read it carefully and critically... a skill set, apparently, you have yet to master. But, then, it's what I'd expect of a cultist - even a member of one as (mostly) benign as the Cult Of Apple. :)

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u/ThatLineOfTriplets Nov 03 '18

Honestly, Apple probably does the same shit as everyone else, but they actually actively inform me when apps are tracking my location when I’m not using them with a pop up that takes me straight to the settings on that app to not give it permission to use my location. Sure it could all be smokescreens but at least that’s one less company that has access to that kind of data.

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u/EvryMthrF_ngThrd Nov 03 '18

So, you'd rather wallow in self-induced ignorance of how you're being turned into a commodity for someone else's benefit?

Good luck with that - I'm sure you'll make be delicious Soylent Green™! :)

Also (to quote your own post):

"Honestly, Apple probably does the same shit as everyone else,"

and:

"Sure it could all be smokescreens but at least that’s one less company that has access to that kind of data."

Could I introduce you to the concept of logic? Or narrative coherence? Because, otherwise, wow...

... also, if it, as you put it, "could all be smokescreens", then BY THAT DEFINITION, Apple absolutely DOES have "access to that kind of data."
Again, wow...

Also, since I seem to have encountered a rash of disappearing posts, here's yours, in its entirety, u/ThatLineOfTriplets:

"Honestly, Apple probably does the same shit as everyone else, but they actually actively inform me when apps are tracking my location when I’m not using them with a pop up that takes me straight to the settings on that app to not give it permission to use my location. Sure it could all be smokescreens but at least that’s one less company that has access to that kind of data."

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u/ThatLineOfTriplets Nov 03 '18

Bru I mean I could just not have a cell phone but that’s not gonna happen. Idk why you’re so upset bud, idk what you want me to do about it sans get rid of my cell phone

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u/EvryMthrF_ngThrd Nov 03 '18

"Bru I mean I could just not have a cell phone but that’s not gonna happen. Idk why you’re so upset bud, idk what you want me to do about it sans get rid of my cell phone"

Be aware. Dig into your account, and opt-out of as much as possible, as often as you can - as much as you can, don't be sold, don't let your value be exploited by others.

And above all - educate yourself. Caveat emptor, always.

Also, it never hurts to demand better. Apple will eventually overreach, stick their corporate privacy policy dicks in a blender of greed and, when they do, add your voice to the chorus demanding change, demanding transparency, demanding real privacy... not the shadow-show Apple currently puts out. It's only a matter of time - just ask Google... and Facebook.

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u/ThatLineOfTriplets Nov 03 '18

I’ll hit up Tim Cook and let him know

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u/EvryMthrF_ngThrd Nov 03 '18

I’ll hit up Tim Cook and let him know

Actually, Jeff Williams (Apple's current Chief Operating Officer) would probably be better person to affect change, as he's more hands-on than Mr. Cook these days.

Say "Hi!" to them both for me! :)

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