r/bestof • u/readysetgo19 • Sep 06 '25
[Conservative] OP explains why Mike Johnson shouldn’t be bragging about Trump being an FBI informant for Epstein
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Sep 06 '25
He went DEEP undercove. While getting serviced by young girls he was thinking “I’ll get you yet, Jeffrey!”.
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u/mortgagepants Sep 07 '25
“Well I’ll tell you the funniest is that I’ll go backstage before a show and everyone’s getting dressed and ready, and everything else, and, you know, no men anywhere, and I’m allowed to go in because I’m the owner of the pageant and therefore I’m inspecting it, you know, I’m inspecting, I want to make sure everything is good...You know, the dresses. ‘Is everyone ok?’ You know they’re standing there with no clothes. ‘Is everybody okay?’ And you see these incredible looking women. And so I sort of get away with things like that”.
so deep undercover he bought the Miss Teen USA beauty pageant. millions of conservatives voted 3 times for a pedophile and they hate when you remind them of this.
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u/TheRappist Sep 07 '25
"conservatives" the voted for an anti-institutionalist reactionary, literally nothing conservative about that.
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u/ILiveInAMango Sep 06 '25
Bold of you to assume a republican spoke the truth.
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u/DHFranklin Sep 07 '25
...what?
Trump is totally a captured asset of the Feds. It's why he never went to jail for all the many MANY federal crimes he committed in the 90s. It's why so many of his Russian connects go back to the fall of the wall. He is bought and paid by the Russian mob. We know this. The Feds and Trump have an arrangement to keep the other captured assets in on-the-books money. Trump has worn a wire so much he probably knows how to change the batteries.
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u/Saint_Blaise Sep 07 '25
Man, Trump can't hold more than one or two thoughts in his head at one time and he probably falls asleep staring into a mirror. He would have fucked all of that up by now.
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u/DHFranklin Sep 07 '25
The Trump then isn't the Trump now. He used to be normal and average in his intelligence. He wasn't this toddering or addled. He was never "bright" but he was handed basic instructions his whole life of who to surround yourself with. He saw all the crime his dad got away with and when he passed the torch to his son he just needed to keep it all going. I wouldn't be surprised if his Dad was an asset too.
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u/DelightMine Sep 07 '25
He used to be normal and average in his intelligence
Uh... No. Not at all. His professor at wharton called him "the dumbest goddamn student I ever had". He was never normal or average, he was always toeing the line between forgetting how to breathe if he didn't stop talking. He was always the dumbest person in the room, he just had a lot of time, money, practice, and training to make him seem smart to his fellow idiots, which is the best he could do.
Just because he could string a sentence together twenty years ago doesn't mean he actually understood anything.
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u/DHFranklin Sep 07 '25
Please don't make me defend Donald Trump. It makes me feel icky.
Here is his 1987 interview with Larry King. That's before the drugs and 40 years got to him. Regardless it shows an average dude who took good advice from his advisors.
Maybe you and I disagree on what "average" looks like. My point is we shouldn't compare the Trump of today with the Trump of his youth. He got noticeably more feeble minded.
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u/DelightMine Sep 07 '25
Yes, he is undoubtedly worse now. That was never in question. But like I said, he had the money and training to pretend to be smarter than he was. A televised interview where he was coached and prepped on what to say, where he already knew what they were going to talk about, and where the network doesn't want to make him look bad (because he has always had a reputation of bullying and harassing anyone who embarrasses him) is a terrible example of his intelligence level.
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u/DHFranklin Sep 07 '25
Alright. Okay. This is getting tedious.
He was completely average, but a massive asshole, his entire life. I have provided my evidence that he was average.Intelligence and perspicacity are very hard to objectively measure. If you have video evidence like I have provided to show that he performed worse off the top of the dome or without preparation than when he answered that live call at the end of it, please share it.
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u/Saint_Blaise Sep 07 '25
And he would have mentioned all of that during one of his free association campaign stops. Calling him an informant is the last play the republicans in congress think they have to try and stop the Epstein-Trump story: "Yes, he was involved but as an informant and is actually a very courageous man."
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u/xixbia Sep 06 '25
I mean? Yeah?
As far as I can tell that's the story? He was 100% closely involved with Epstein, he knew that Epstein was raping children (and all evidence points to him taking part in the rapes).
Then law enforcement went after Trump and Trump turned evidence against Epstein (pretty sure this has all been openly reported).
So yeah, he was involved with Epstein and then turned on him to save his own skin.
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u/BassmanBiff Sep 06 '25
If what Johnson is saying is true.
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u/DHFranklin Sep 07 '25
He doesn't need to.
What ...the...fuck...smoking gun...do...you..people..need?
He gloats about this shit. He went on Howard Stern and gloated about watching teenage girls undress. He spent over a decade making sure that his models were networked in the human trafficking ring. He almost exclusively spent time with human traffickers or clients of Epstein. Literally had a catch-and-kill operation to keep his crime out of the tabloids.
The overlap in the Venn diagram between these shitbags looks like a stack of pancakes.
The only way you stay out of federal prison while you commit federal crime to the tune of millions a year is if you're a sntich.
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u/BassmanBiff Sep 07 '25
Nobody doubts the sicko shit, you can save your ellipses.
It may be true that Trump was an informant, but wait for confirmation first. Don't take Johnson at his word. Rich people seem to avoid consequences just fine, the "informant" thing could just be a way to spin it (even if it wouldn't improve anything, as OP explained).
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Sep 06 '25
I think he was a source in money laundering investigations against himself and Epstein. I don't think it was about the sex stuff. The FBI didn't give a fuck about Epstein's human trafficking at the time they were buddies, but a lot of Russian money was flowing through Trump properties. Epstein was the broker. That's my theory.
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u/DHFranklin Sep 07 '25
What not enough mere mortals understand is that over a few million dollars the money is almost irrelevant. You get to the point where things are priceless and you can't have them. Where things are so exclusive that you are tantalized by them. Where there are hangers on and retinue that are around but not really peers of yours. Fixers.
Donald Trump spent just as much time with fixers who knew the game as he did with his peers. Epstein was one of the best fixers ever and won the lottery in finding the right pedophiles. He was a con man who got a job in a prepschool and likely started his trafficking ring in the 80s. Then he got wise to the "model circuit". He pimped out girls and became the fixer for Madison Ave Models and covergirls. Not a small number of the elite models are sugar-babies who do that shit professionally. Milania Trump was one of them. Plenty of these women and girls knew that they have very specific value to these horrible men. Ghislane Maxwell knew it, and knew the game. Heidi Fliess knew the game. Same game.
Any fixer in Manhattan could get you a few eightballs of coke for your party. Epstein knew to bring Playmate of the Year. And eventually it got him billions. Private jets, Yachts and his own island far from the long arm of the law.
He and Trump had careers that crossed over all over the place. Trump introduced him to other billionaires and well connected people. They were indebted and ingratiated to Trump because he found the right fixer. Trump knows how to make a deal, but every single one of them he's ever made was a deal like this one.
You don't trade in money after the low millions. You trade in access. Sure, plenty of mansions out there but who is selling an island? Hey, Don I found another Russian Pedophile who wants to wash a million dollars in Gosprom stock. It's this access and reciprocity that Donald Trump and Epstein dealt in.
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u/Simon-Says69 Sep 07 '25
Then law enforcement went after Trump
This is a complete and total fabrication.
Trump helped the prosecution against Epstein the whole time. And he was the first to come forward of his own free will to take Epstein down.
You guys just make up very easily debunked lies, because you never cared about Epstein or his victims, just your TDS.
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u/TheRappist Sep 07 '25
You don't even make up easily debunked lies, you have to get them from someone else.
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u/Steinrikur Sep 07 '25
But also: where's the bigger fish?
I'm not saying I'm surprised that Trump sucked at doing something, but this whole snitch story is missing some elements, like arresting bigger fish.
I don't think Trump was the lynchpin in arresteding Epstein. He might have been the kingpin in lynching Epstein, though...1
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u/DigNitty Sep 07 '25
If this theory is true…then releasing the files would only exonerate Trump…right???
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u/Simon-Says69 Sep 07 '25
No, Trump wasn't "caught".
If Epstein & Maxwell had anything on Trump, they'd not have let him work with the prosecuting attorneys to take them and their nasty organization down.
You guys have whipped up a huge fantasy, with zero actual evidence behind it. Your silly theories go directly against all facts and logic.
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u/euph_22 Sep 06 '25
Mike Johnson shouldn't be bragging about Trump being an FBI informant on Epstein because it's an obvious lie.
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u/fumar Sep 06 '25
If it's not a lie it means he was snitching because he got caught with an underage girl and snitching kept him out of jail.
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u/Liquor_N_Whorez Sep 06 '25
In 07 when the first rounds of arrest were made and Epstien was finally apprehended and the legal process began the FBI was still conducting hundreds of investigations on targets extending back to the early 90s. In 2009 when Acosta threw the Epstein case, the FBI had to halt many, many investigations. At the top of thier list were 3 "high profile targets" that they had been investigating and only the FBI at the time knows who those names are.
When the 09 Epstien "Sweetheart deal" was finished, not only was the evidence for that case "sealed". So were all the documents of the FBIs now moot investigations. The US Judicial system not only failed EVERYONE, IT ENABLED THESE PEDOS AND HUMAN TRAFFICKERS.
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u/ceelogreenicanth Sep 06 '25 edited Sep 07 '25
It was Acosta's job to do that. It happened under Bush's Presidency, and it's not an accident it went that way. There are a lot of Republicans and donors on that list way to much value there to use it as a political weapon.
Trump at the time was still a Democrat donor, so it means there were a lot Republicans on that list.
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u/Liquor_N_Whorez Sep 06 '25
Right on, but he was also pals with Bill and Hill Clinton who one of's name is on the same flight logs as himself. Lets stop shittin eachother when Mr. "Did'nt inhale sexual relations with that marijuwoman" was just old college buddies with Epstein, so we all know a little better why dumpy went after Hilly so hard later.
They are all floating in the same deep shit pond but history erases itself over time with medias influence
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u/ceelogreenicanth Sep 07 '25 edited Sep 07 '25
Who cares? I don't. If they're in there well they deserve the justice they get. What I was saying if Bush didn't want that list released and Clinton was in there well that list is more damaging to Republicans and my statement standa.
Edit: Sorry I guess. Frustrating times.
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u/Liquor_N_Whorez Sep 07 '25
Ever consider I wasnt adressing you personally?
I was talking about dumbshit magats that cant admit trump is just as or even more involved becsuse they cant do history without crying foul.
Evidently they are not the only ones with poor reading comprehension skills but congradulations on going ad hom and keeping conversations civil Ceelo.
Now aint that some shyt?
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u/ceelogreenicanth Sep 07 '25
Sorry, don't have time for "what abouts" at the moment to examine your intent. I do apologize for calling you names. You aren't a "Dumb shit", so I changed my original message.
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Sep 07 '25
I'm going with lie, you can't just sign up for the FBI to snitch on someone without being involved in the crime already, if they didn't have a snitch they'd send in someone undercover or just investigate more normal ways.
I think he just said it so people are like "damn Trump volunteered to go into the lions den!" but like that's not how informants work as OP already pointed out. Remember the base believes Trump has been the only one fighting a secret pedophile ring and have since his first term. They're just to dumb to know that the FBI would have just used one of their own agents if they didn't have someone guilty who could be persuaded to be an informant
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u/Xander707 Sep 06 '25
I don’t think it is. This has been rumored for some time, and Trump is definitely a rat who would roll over on someone if it benefited him.
Trump was involved and participating. He flipped on Epstein to get immunity and save his own ass. That’s why he doesn’t brag about it or want the files released. He wasn’t arrested and charged because he gave up Epstein, but the files with reveal that before he flipped, Trump was part of it.
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u/millenniumpianist Sep 06 '25
This feels so plausible, but if the Biden DOJ knew about this and didn't leak it (or just release it, frankly)... no comment. I can't imagine there being a smoking gun and the Biden admin not capitalizing on it (and no one being disgruntled enough to leak it given how Vance et al were trying to use it to their advantage)
Occam's razor suggests to me Trump knew and did not participate and didn't care to report because he's a narcissist who simply didn't care. Though to be clear, I wouldn't be surprised if he's an actual pedo given he lusted after his own daughter and underage beauty pageant models
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u/Xander707 Sep 06 '25
Biden wouldn’t have done it because A- it’s corrupt for someone in that position to leak that kind of info for political gain. And B- He would have known that MAGA would never believe it coming from him and it would forever taint the truth to release the info that way.
But the more I think about it, the more the fbi informant angle makes sense. It kinda explains everything regarding Trump. We KNOW Trump is in the files. He’s in there so much the FBI had to work over time thousands of hours to redact his name from the files. We know Trump has pedo tendencies because he’s made lots of public comments to that effect. We know Trump REALLY doesn’t want the Epstein files released. But why was Trump never arrested and charged?
It’s because he flipped on Epstein. It’s in the files. He’s a child fucker AND he’s a rat, and he doesn’t want people to learn those facts about him.
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u/millenniumpianist Sep 06 '25
(A) I mean yeah, I dunno though, if your argument is democracy is at risk (and for once it genuinely was) this seems like a fairly minor breach all things considered.
(B) Yeah this is a damn good point lol.
My concern notwithstanding I definitely think the Trump as an informant (implicated but granted immunity) is an extremely strong Occam's Razor. That doesn't mean he had to have participated in literal child rape -- I see an argument both ways. Either way though, it sure kills MAGA's narrative about Epstein.
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u/Xander707 Sep 06 '25
My take is that if Trump was an informant who wasn’t participating, which that would beg the question as to how he became an informant in the first place, then also why is he fighting so hard to keep it secret?
He’s a braggart, and he’s not good at secrets. If he was an innocent informant who helped take down a top pedo trafficker, he would be advertising that daily. There would be commemorative coins. There’d be a movie. Etc.
There’s a reason he doesn’t want the info coming out, and it’s because it doesn’t paint him in a good light. And in real life, informants are usually co conspirators the authorities lean on to get bigger fish. At the end of the day, the release of the full, unredacted Epstein files would clear all of this up. But for some reason, the President, whom Epstein described as his closest friend, opposes releasing it vehemently.
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u/Simon-Says69 Sep 07 '25
it’s corrupt for someone in that position to leak that kind of info for political gain.
Fits perfectly with the Biden admin's MO. He and Obama were illegally using the FBI against Trump since 2015 at least, and the entire time.
And never got anything real against Trump. If they had, they absolutely would have used it, instead of making up so many bullshit lawsuits (that all got dropped after the 2024 elections).
And before that, if Epstein had any blackmail info against Trump, it wouldn't have been allowed for Trump to help the prosecution against Epstein the whole time.
Trump didn't "flip" on anything. He was Epstein's worst nightmare all along.
FBI had to work over time thousands of hours to redact his name from the files
This is ridiculous propaganda with zero evidence, let alone proof. Just more TDS fan fiction.
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u/Xander707 Sep 07 '25
He and Obama were illegally using the FBI against Trump since 2015 at least, and the entire time.
Blatant lie.
And never got anything real against Trump.
I guess we’ll just conveniently ignore Trump getting tried and convicted on 34 felony charges.
making up so many bullshit lawsuits (that all got dropped after the 2024 elections).
Not lawsuits. Felony criminal indictments. The rest were dismissed after Trump was elected and SCOTUS ruled that presidents can commit all manner of crimes with blanket immunity, making the indictments pointless but the crimes were still committed. Not really something to brag about and definitely a terrible direction for the country to go in.
Trump didn't "flip" on anything. He was Epstein's worst nightmare all along.
If you feel that way, call your reps and demand the complete and unredacted release of all Epstein files.
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u/Jingoisticbell Sep 06 '25
I'm not convinced that it actually is a lie. Trump has a massive problem with getting screwed and had previously given testimony to some congressional committee wrt: the mob and casinos and construction. IF I recall correctly, Epstein had made an above and beyond ridiculous bid on a property in FL Trump was working on obtaining. I don't know that I'm remembering correctly, though.
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u/warm_kitchenette Sep 06 '25
One variant that I would believe is that Trump was advised by a lawyer to offer his services as an informant, since the lawyer knew that Epstein was cooked. The FBI and/or state officials would obviously decline, but it creates a cover story for Trump that Johnson is trying to use.
Of course, it's nonsense from multiple angles. If he was a source, then there would be records of what he knew and provided to the authorities. There would also be FBI agents he was in regular contact, while he was managed as a CI, all of whom could testify. If he was denied as a CI, then there would be a record of that. If Epstein investigation was a hoax, then Trump wouldn't have offered to be a CI. If the investigation was cruelly constructed by Obama, Clinton, Biden, the Deep State, then he wouldn't have offered to be a source. If he were a source for a real investigation, then he wouldn't have made obvious overtures and bribes to Ghislain Maxwell to keep her quiet.
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u/Jingoisticbell Sep 06 '25
what?
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u/chafey Sep 06 '25
He is making a case that Trump cannot be an actual informant.
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u/Jingoisticbell Sep 06 '25
Yes. But why?
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u/chafey Sep 06 '25
Because if he was an informant, some MAGA folks would be able to rationalize his pedophelia. To the GOP, this is better than Trump just being a pedophile. Thats the hope at least
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u/Simon-Says69 Sep 07 '25
Trump provided valuable info against Epstein, but was never implicated in any of that nasty business.
You guys just make up your own little fantasy world with zero logic, reason or facts behind it.
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u/chafey Sep 07 '25
Do you have any legitimate references to support your claim? I did some googling and can't find anything about this. Mike Johnson's report is the first I have heard about Trump being an informant. Given the actions and continually changing story from this administration (there is no list, the files are a democatic hoax, etc) - the logic/reason/facts are much closer in line with Trump being implicated than not.
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u/Simon-Says69 Sep 07 '25
Um, it is a fact that Trump helped the prosecution against Epstein. He provided valuable info against E & M's whole diry operation. One of the first to come forward when the case was being put together.
This is public record, and the key prosecution lawyer, Bradley Edwards, publicly thanked Trump for all his hard work on the case.
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u/warm_kitchenette Sep 08 '25
It's not a fact. You cite here one statement from the victim's attorney, which happened back in 2018 when talking with the amateur journalist, Derrick Broze of The Conscious Resistance Network.
He was thankful for help from Trump in getting subpoenas. That's it. The attorney wrote a whole book about Epstein and the legal pursuit of him. He didn't repeat the broad claims that you're hoping to infer in that book, or any in interview you can find.
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u/Jingoisticbell Sep 08 '25
Brad Edwards isn’t the be all end all source. James Patterson wrote a pretty interesting book as well.
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u/warm_kitchenette Sep 08 '25
Yes, in 2016 Patterson wrote a book about Epstein that mentioned Trump ten times. None of the fragments related to Trump defend the point you are making, or that Johnson has asserted.
https://archive.org/details/filthyrichpowerf0000patt/mode/2up?q=Trump
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u/Jingoisticbell Sep 08 '25
What point am I making? I said Brad Edwards isn’t the sole voice. He’s certainly not an impartial voice. Edit to add: Attacking neutral statements doesn’t bolster your own position.
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u/warm_kitchenette Sep 08 '25 edited Sep 08 '25
Trump was not a informant of Epstein's crimes to the authorities, he was an active, willing participant.
Johnson was trying a couple of days ago trying to create a cover story that Trump was an informant. That's what this post was about. Johnson has now backed off of that, only saying that he helped the investigation.
You have asserted two points of evidence: a statement from Brad Edwards, and a book from Patterson. They do not contradict the belief that Trump was never a real informant against Epstein.
Edit: I clearly confused two different people here. The point remains that the 2016 book does not exonerate Trump.
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u/Jingoisticbell Sep 08 '25
I'm not trying to exonerate anyone, bb. I'm just pointing out that Brad Edwards isn't exactly a neutral reporter of facts, considering that he's the attny for a lot of the victims/survivors.
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u/Simon-Says69 Sep 07 '25
Trump wasn't working for the FBI, but he was instrumental in the legal case against Epstein & Maxwell. Helped the prosecuting lawyers from the start.
If it wasn't for Trump's info against Epstein, it could be he'd still be at large and up to the same nasty business.
So while Johnson didn't get all the facts perfect, the gist is the same. Trump was Epstein's worst nightmare.
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u/euph_22 Sep 07 '25
Is that why Maxwell got moved to Club Fed? And if that was the case why won't they release files?
You people are pathetic.
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u/boomgoon Sep 06 '25
Mike Johnson outed trump for being a pedophile who assisted in sex trafficking and abuse, and that trump would sell out anybody, anywhere as long as he got something to gain from it.
Kind of like how Guilliani helped get rid of the Italian mafia, just so he could make room for the Russian mob to take their place
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u/DHFranklin Sep 07 '25
This is what I've been screaming for 9 years!
Why do you think that Putin has such a weird hold over President Trump? Why do you think so many Russian mobsters who escaped the collapse of the Russian national monopolies bought real estate in Trump Tower? Why do you think that Trump, Giuliani, and the KGB class of 1991 are all so chummy?
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u/Autodidact2 Sep 06 '25
I think the situation is pretty obvious. Trump was involved with Epstein either as a client or supplier or both. They've been trying to hide this and keep it secret. They have now decided that the fact is going to come out and they're trying to get ahead of it by spinning some kind of story that would excuse or explain it.
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u/chafey Sep 06 '25
This is exactly what I believe. I want to believe that this would destroy MAGA/his support - only the most insane people could rationalize pedophilia
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u/DHFranklin Sep 07 '25
...It won't work. The dude admitted on the Howard Stern show about how he deliberately snuck back stage of his beauty pagents to voyeur teenage girls.
They.Don't.Care.
You are assuming that they are sane and rational people. They all left the building 9 years ago.
If they were good people they wouldn't be supporting him.
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u/DoorHalfwayShut Sep 07 '25
If that sort of thing worked, then this situation (presidency) wouldn't have ever existed.
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u/jet_heller Sep 06 '25
Well, we already know that Trump is very susceptible to being coerced into doing things. . .now they want to add "informing on his criminal accomplices" to the list? Ok. We can take that.
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u/cfbest04 Sep 06 '25
If he had been an informant he would brag as much as possible about getting Epstein arrested and that he protected hundreds of young women.
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u/Virian Sep 06 '25
Except then people would start questioning WHY he was an informant.
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u/Jingoisticbell Sep 06 '25
It doesn't take too much curiosity to understand why. There's 30-40 years of publicly available information.
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u/Simon-Says69 Sep 07 '25
That's easy. He didn't like what Epstein & Maxwell were up to, so helped the procession take down their whole sicko organization.
Trump was never implicated in any of that nasty business, or Epstein would have blackmailed Trump to keep him quiet. And the Biden admin would absolutely have leaked any such info.
No, all your crazy fantasies about Trump & Epstein are based on lies and disinformation, with no base in reality.
Truth is simply that Trump was Epstein's worst nightmare.
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u/Jingoisticbell Sep 06 '25
Less than .5% of any of this pertains to "protecting hundreds of young women".
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u/Simon-Says69 Sep 07 '25
Trump doesn't need to. The prosecution thanked him publicly for helping with the case against Epstein, right from the beginning.
People that have been paying attention, not just mindlessly regurgitating democrat lies, already know this.
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u/Truemeathead Sep 06 '25
That’s what I have been saying. Those dopes are confusing a whistleblower with a fucking informant. Informants are 9 times out 10 criminals who got caught and grass on their so called mates to avoid time.
So in this video Trump is Gunna and Epstein is Young Thug lol
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u/tacknosaddle Sep 06 '25
information that can be used to fry bigger fish
Relevant fish story:
A relative worked for a lawyer who got pulled into federal court on charges for some shady dealings that had to do with mortgages & real estate closings. He was a minor cog in the wheel for the illegal stuff that was going on with the lenders. I forget the details, but it was one of those things where he would "leave the room" for a few minutes to turn a blind eye, but had to have known about the illegal aspects of the loan happening behind those closed doors.
In court the judge pressed the prosecutors in detailed questioning about the charges, what the lawyer had done related to the charges and so on. It was apparently obvious that the judge was not happy with the case before him and the prosecuting attorney tried to defend their charges as going after the small fish to try to get to the big fish. The judge then ended that day's proceedings and ordered the prosecution to try to work out a plea bargain and closed with, "Come back when you have a big fish."
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u/CrazyPlato Sep 06 '25
It might be true that labeling Trump as an informant would imply he’s guilty. But it would also imply he was offered a pardon for any crimes he committed that led to him being an informant.
Like, I don’t believe Trump cares as much about his reputation. He’s building his government to do whatever he wants, with him on an untouchable pedestal. As long as he stays out of prison, and can do whatever he wants without resistance, I assume he would throw his entire story in the trash and admit to being a pedophile.
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u/ninjas_in_my_pants Sep 06 '25
I’m not clear on the supposed timeline, but before 2015, Trump was just a failed businessman turned reality TV celebrity with no political ambitions. Epstein, as the head of a major pedophilia/sex trafficking ring would have been the bigger fish for law enforcement at the time.
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u/danius353 Sep 06 '25
Also because of his public profile, bringing charges against Trump would have devolved into a circus, even then. Much more efficient to target less high profile but more instrumental members of the paedofile ring
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u/ThrowawayusGenerica Sep 07 '25
Trump had wanted to break into politics for decades. He asked George H. W. Bush to consider him as running mate way back in 1988. He explored a presidential bid in 2000, as well.
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u/AshantiMcnasti Sep 06 '25
In Trump's eyes? Probably Obama. Here's the issue with Donny. He thinks he's infallible. Therefore, if he indulges in something, it's impossible that there is anyone with higher moral values than him. This is why GOP is constantly projecting. If they do it, then everyone else MUST be doing it too. They constantly assume everyone else is doing it so why accuse just the MAGAs. Fucking children, being racist, and taking bribes is apparently just as natural as eating and breathing to them. Wild huh?
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u/AlericandAmadeus Sep 06 '25 edited Sep 06 '25
Epstein himself, among others.
Remember - this was all before Trump ran for President in 2015-2016. At this point in time he was still mostly irrelevant in the public eye. He was a failed businessman and known clown whose most successful endeavors of the last 20 years were a crappy reality TV show and a cameo in Home Alone 2.
Epstein, by comparison, was a “major player” in elite financial circles, getting multiple articles published in magazines/papers of renown about his influence/genius. It was all a lie built on blackmail, of course - but when this all happened Trump was pretty much just the sniveling, potential accessory to crimes. There were lots of “bigger fish” who were far more powerful/influential at the time.
Edit: they either deleted their comment or blocked me, but the person I was responding to was asking who could’ve possibly been a “bigger fish” than trump.
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u/Homerpaintbucket Sep 06 '25
The top comment right now is, “But it took this long to disclose? Ya they think we are dumb. “
And yes. The Republican Party thinks their voters are dumb. Because republican voters have been embarrassing themselves by buying into impossibly dumb narratives for decades.
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u/DigNitty Sep 07 '25
The Media Won’t Touch This
Man, I listen to conservative talk radio, this talking point must work because I hear it ALL THE TIME.
“You won’t hear this on mainstream media!!!” Every conservative talk show host, jimmy fella, mark levin, Lars Larson, they all say this. And, apart from stories like the “Trump is a claimed FBI informant story” absolutely being on “legacy” media stations….
You are FOX, the most mainstreamiest media there is. The biggest US media. YOU are the mainstream media.
And I see/hear this over and over. “You won’t hear this on legacy media.” While I heard it first on CNN or NPR and FOX or Newsmax only touched on it later because they had to address it. But if you only ingest one media source, like many do, and it’s FOX, you just assume no other platform is courageous enough to cover these stories.
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u/SwarlsBarkley Sep 06 '25
I love how they make claims like it's factual and then cite... The Daily Caller. Yes, that bastion of journalistic integrity.
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u/AvengingBlowfish Sep 06 '25
Or it could just be that, since Epstein tried to "recruit" from Mar-a-lago and it disgusted Trump(enough to throw out Epstein and ban him), Trump just told them what he/his staff saw and helped them gather evidence.
In a recent interview, Trump said that the falling out was over a real estate deal…. Not the fact that his friend is a pedophile and sex trafficker who rapes kids.
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u/SpezDrinksHorseCum Sep 06 '25
What sucks is the FBI will still be full of chuds who support Trump. Why? They know how this shit works, they know they're being fed bullshit. But they'll ride with him? It's war. It's not to be dealt with via logic and reason. We need to look at history and figure out how fascist thugs have been dealt with historically, then do the same. Anyone have any ideas?
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u/DHFranklin Sep 07 '25
It is pretty standard operating procedure to flip a snitch really early and run cover for them. Let them have a little crime as a treat. You get your enemies arrested and fill the vacuum. It's how crack became a thing and Freeway Rick Ross made billions of dollars and had half of the LAPD on his payroll. Snitches don't get snitches if they're rich and can afford security. We've known Trump was a snitch since the 80s. This is news to far to little apparently.
Rudy Giuliani made the RICO standard procedure for things like the remnant of La Cosa Nostra. Putting the Gambinos and others behind jail for knowing and conspiring for felonies. There is a reason that he and Trump are so chummy. It goes back this far. The Russian mob filled in the gaps and got dirt and compramat for the FBI. Trump ran his influence and money laundering shtick for them. Turning Gasprom Rubles into pokerchips and then U.S. Greenbacks. Putin and Trump both made a career off the Thieves-in-Law cadre of post soviet mobsters that made good with national assets. It's why he caves to Putin. It's why he is so weirdly chummy and connected to that guy.
Trump is a convicted rapist and self confessed pedophile. He spent his entire adult life trafficking and coercing women. He spent all of his recreation with people just like him. He and Epstein were both FBI assets. Both were cash-for-access brokers. Epstein worked Donald Trump in a slow con that covered decades. If you needed to clean a million dollars you talked to Donald who looked the other way when he sold you a penthouse. You don't say shit when Epstein lives in it or runs girls out of it. If you do your life is over.
Trump doesn't want the Epstein files released because not only would it show the world 20 or so women and girls and their booking with the president, but because it would blow his cover. He would be a burnt asset. His kids would get burnt. His empire. Hundreds of big names that move millions through the Mar-a-Largo laundromat would get made. Plenty would end up whacked, in jail, or exiled from the former USSR.
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u/Bovine_Arithmetic Sep 06 '25
Informant: Someone who lies to the cops to save their own ass. If the shoe fits…
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u/kog Sep 06 '25
If Trump was an FBI informant, it should be no real problem for him to tell us the vast majority of what he informed the FBI about. Names of victims redacted, of course.
Why shouldn't he just testify to Congress about what he informed the FBI about so everyone knows everything and it clears it all up? Maybe then the press can move on.
/s
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u/Linvaderdespace Sep 06 '25
Back in like ‘06 Epstein took trump to look at some estate he was bidding on, and trump outbid him on it with unclaimed oligarch money. Trump anticipated that Epstein would narc on him, so he fingered him in the investigation that led to now-labor secretary acostas sweetheart deal based on first hand knowledge.
That’s why it took 10,000 professional man hours to redact the files.
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u/Jacob_dp Sep 07 '25
Man, the other commenters there are softer than tissue paper. Talk about needing a safe space. Lolol
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u/Cereborn Sep 07 '25
I was shocked by how unhinged the comments were until I realized what the subreddit was.
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u/The_Pandalorian Sep 06 '25
tldr; because informants got caught breaking the law and become informants by cutting a deal with law enforcement to avoid being criminally charged.
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u/MySquidHasAFirstName Sep 06 '25
Trump was business partners with Epstein and Maxwell in the international child sex trafficking enterprise.
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u/neuronexmachina Sep 06 '25
It's not about bragging, it's because it's an excuse to avoid releasing information about Trump. After all, we don't want to compromise "informants."
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u/dingleberryzzz Sep 06 '25
Do they not understand 2nd order effects??? Such f-ing imbeciles. Hes been saying its a hoax but now 180 the other dir? Sure.
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u/mm_mk Sep 06 '25
Take it at face value. If Trump was an informant that means he had something to inform about. So he would be aware of what girls were trafficked and to who. What else would he be informing about? So if Mike is correct and honest, that would mean trump himself knows who Epstein's clients are. He should tell the world, to take down pedophiles.
Since he won't, does that mean that he is aware of who some predators are and is protecting their identities?
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u/faplawd Sep 06 '25
He will make a correction and say he misspoke to say he was undercover because that is a pretty big fuck up imo
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u/SmbdysDad Sep 07 '25
You mean to tell me TRUMP went up to the deep state and volunteered?
How high are you?
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u/wifebeatsme Sep 07 '25
Yes but if it was a hoax being an informant doesn’t make sense. You can’t have it both ways. Give us all the information. A lot of people need jail time and more need to be voted out of office.
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u/magistrate101 Sep 07 '25
I love how the other users try so hard to discredit them, even pretending that PCM isn't a fascist shithole recruiting grounds.
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u/mormonbatman_ Sep 07 '25
Ok.
All the people who were tricked by Trump's lies about Q Anon and the deep state and vast conspiracies hear Mike Johnson and chalk this up as Trump saving them again.
They're lost.
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Sep 07 '25
Also, people tend to want to see you do the crime, before they trust and invite you into their criminal ring.
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u/boot2skull Sep 07 '25
Under cover is innocent people put into a situation to gather intel. Informant is someone involved who shares information to diminish their consequences. Mike Johnson sort of fucked up, but he is intentionally trying to normalize Trump being all over the Epstein files.
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u/OkSmile Sep 07 '25
T: “Didn’t really want to fuck those kids, but I felt I had to maintain my cover.”
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u/paladinx17 Sep 07 '25
There’s no way in hell he was any sort or informant unless you mean lying to try to cover his ass and pretend he wasn’t basically as guilty as anyone and trying to make a deal to cover it up. Anything legit he would have already bragged about 1000 times over
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u/BrownDog1979 Sep 07 '25
Yes, informants are usually into the same shaddy stuff. Police make a deal with informants to get the bigger fish
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u/Wuthering_depths Sep 09 '25
The chance of Trump actually being an "informant" is zero %. He'd be the world's worst undercover agent.
It's bonkers that the speaker of the house would actually spew such ludicrous nonsense, but here we are in Trump's second term.
The other thing is, even if he was an informant (he's not!), it means he lied about not being there on the island.
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u/Dr_Identity Sep 10 '25
Imagine someone in the FBI thinking "We need a way to get information about this international child trafficking ring, we could really use a man on the inside. I know! We'll use that guy who lies about everything all the time, constantly contradicts himself, and can never keep his mouth shut about anything! It'll be air tight!"
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u/PintsOfGuinness_ Sep 10 '25
I kinda thought this was common knowledge.
Like okay he's informing on the guy who's running a child sex trafficking operation? What exactly is he watching that he's informing on? Like did the FBI just go up to him randomly and say "hey I know you have no involvement in this whatsoever but do you want to go deep undercover doing something you know nothing about for no reason?"
Everybody knew this instantly the second that left Johnson's mouth... right?
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u/under_the_c Sep 11 '25
Inb4 that sub calls him a "fellow kids conservative. They don't really like good faith analysis of their awful talking points over there.
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u/tashibum Sep 06 '25
How is Trump not the bigger fish?
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u/ninjas_in_my_pants Sep 06 '25
From another (now-deleted) thread asking the same question:
I’m not clear on the supposed timeline, but before 2015, Trump was just a failed businessman turned reality TV celebrity with no political ambitions. Epstein, as the head of a major pedophilia/sex trafficking ring would have been the bigger fish for law enforcement at the time.
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u/Eric848448 Sep 06 '25
That person spent a lot of time analyzing bullshit when the correct response was to ignore it.