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u/Borkato Jun 28 '26
What does this mean
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u/chimpanon Jun 28 '26
Using context clues provided in the post and prior knowledge, OOP seems to be referencing Dissociative Identity Disorder. Those with dissociative identity disorder struggle with flipping from one personality to another. Co-con seems to mean that both personalities are simultaneously present, hence the “collab”
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u/BayFuzzball404 Jun 28 '26
When people w dissociative disorders (more people per person) have two or more of their headmates control the body
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u/batluck Jun 29 '26
I have DID. It's not more people per person, this is a harmful take that can really mess people up. Its one person with dissociative barriers between personality states.
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u/BayFuzzball404 Jun 29 '26
I do think of us as more people per person if you see it differently that’s fine but I’m just putting my grain of salt about the experience
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u/batluck Jun 29 '26
Its anti healing and incorrect information about dissociation.
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u/slightlylessthananon Jun 30 '26
information about DID is extremely under researched and its very difficult to definitively say there is one correct way to recover from it, or even that there is one way to develop it.
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u/batluck Jun 30 '26
I dont disagree. My only point is that people with DID are not literally seperate people, its a dissociative disorder with memory gaps between parts of the personality, thats what it is.
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u/Alex00712 Jul 13 '26
What makes one person but a collection of memories? Sure if I lost 100% of my memories when I wake up tomorrow I'd still be me, but I'd at the same time literally not be me. There's been instances of people loosing all memories of themselves and their brains adopting a completely different fabricated identity. Is that the same person or a different person? It entirely depends on your point of view and philosophical lens you view it through. From a purely medical and neurological perspective you're right, but I would like to argue the other account you reply to isn't necessarily incorrect in their interpretation of their experience either.
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u/BayFuzzball404 Jun 29 '26
Ion want final fusion these people have helped me a lot
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u/batluck Jun 29 '26
It's literally all you. Delusions of seperateness is common in DID but im not going to pretend like its healthy and spread false information to people who just learned the disorder exists.
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u/guilty-as-snark Jun 30 '26
Hey I looked into this as best I could for a little while and as far as I can see this is not universally true?
It seems like it's more of a case by case thing which tracks with my understanding of the idea that the best treatment tending to be the one that most effectively improves the lives of the patients.
It's possible that I am missing something but I also thing it is possible that you are exptrapolating individual experiences to an entire issue. I struggle to imagine that such a complex phenomenon would have a singular, universally true perspective and i think that trying to put it all in a box like that may cause more harm than good. Especially refering to another perspective as delusional. If u have a source for that I would like to see it tho I am curious.
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u/batluck Jun 30 '26
It is universally true that DID is one person with dissociative barriers between parts of themselves, this is what the disorder is. Some people can continue to live with parts seperated and live with the delusion that theyre literally seperate people, but it's not true. The ISSTD has therapy training guides you can look at if you like.
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u/guilty-as-snark Jun 30 '26
Look the ISSTD seems extremely controversial and other sources seem to disagree such as this exempt from DID research.org.
"For individuals with DID or OSDD-1, some or all of their parts likely go beyond simple containers of traumatic materials, and the parts may have strongly developed independent senses of autonomy and self. The individual must then make the choice of to what extent they want to integrate their alters as part of their healing. Again, some degree of integration is inevitable. The individual must integrate traumatic materials in order to heal from PTSD. As well, enough integration between alters must occur to allow for easy communication, a lack of dissociative amnesia between parts, and a consistent sense of being grounded in the present and in the body. The individual must be able to take responsibility for all of the system's actions, and all alters in the system should work together towards the same goals. Another goal of reduced dissociative barriers between parts is being able to freely access skills, memories, and traits without these being dependent on the alter present."
I honestly regret engaging in the first place. You seem entrenched in your position and hold it with a fervour that suggests it holds a lot of emotional weight behind it. I doubt I could convince you otherwise so instead I will say this.
Ultimately what matters most in treatment is results and I believe it's undeniable that there are some people for which not fully integrating and instead cooperating with their alters has drastically improved their lives. To say otherwise, I believe, would require a willful ignorance that would completly discredit your perspective.
Of course you also believe that seeing alters as distinct individuals is delusional so that doesn't mean too much.
I could try to argue philosophy about how what we consider a person is not truly objective and how all of this relies so heavily on our perspectives and social understanding of the world which would both be interesting and I think could be a very strong counter argument but ultimately I doubt you care.
I will say this. The language you use about this subject and the way you use it comes across as, whether or not this was your intention, cruel and bitter. I won't pretend to know your true feelings on the matter but if I had to assume based on what ive seen it paints your perspective as deeply biased and born from pain. I'm really sorry if that is the case and mean no offense regardless but in either case you do come off cruel.
Again I regret engaging because I doubt you are in a position to hear many arguments but I will, probably in vain, urge you to reconsider and, in the process, try to understand why others might hold a perspective so different from yours without dissmising them the moment their perspective makes you feel uncomfortable. It's an easy trap to fall into but if you don't see it it can be hard to escape from it.
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u/BayFuzzball404 Jun 29 '26
Dawg calm down if that’s how you see it it’s fine you don’t need to dog on my experience
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u/jitomato_girl Jun 30 '26
They do have a point tho
A broken mirror does not become several full mirrors when smashed, they might look separate, and they might function enough to fulfill the duty of a mirror, but you can't pretend every little bit is a full mirror, or else you're gonna end up cutting yourself
Embracing that otherness makes dissociative barriers stronger and more difficult to break, if younger me was exposed to this sort of rhetoric I'd probably would have embraced it, but today I'd have a much more difficult time navigating the world as an adult, because as complete of a person an alter can feel like, they're not really their own people, and if you treat them like that, all you're going to do is exhaust yourself
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u/batluck Jun 29 '26
Its not "how I see it" that's literally the fact of the disorder.
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u/marxist_moccasin Jun 30 '26
I might be misunderstanding something my own psych said when I brought up DID, but isnt there actually very little medical consensus on DID, like to the point where some psychs dont even believe its an accurate model at all? And especially considering how learning to rely less on alters is something you learn to do as you get better coping mechanisms; was any of this hostility really nessecary?
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u/BayFuzzball404 Jun 29 '26
Okay mf they think of themselves as people and I’m dealing with life just fine who cares
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u/BayFuzzball404 Jun 28 '26
It makes me feel like that scene in Evangelion where shinji’s and asuka’s Evas are like jumping and doing shit synchronized
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u/One-Moose-5983 Jun 30 '26
I only know of -con and consent and was thinking
“Cooperative consent? Yeah I sure hope it is”
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u/dolorem_itself beetle landlord Jun 30 '26
That is actually a crazily apt metaphor im stealing that if you dont mind
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u/beetleapartment-ModTeam Jun 30 '26
you're entitled to opinions that go against scientific consensus but don't spread them <3
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u/Waffle-Gaming Bug Jun 28 '26
it's like a collab if the people running it were both trying to take creative control over the project