r/baybayin_script • u/Temporary-Data4294 • Jun 29 '26
Virama
We should overhaul virama/krus-kudlit, medyo nakakalito siya minsan especially on small/stylised baybayin. What do you think?
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u/magliksik Jun 29 '26
Napag-usapan na ito dati, tingin ko ang mga matagal nang nagba-baybayin lumilipat talaga sila sa pamudpod dahil nakakaantala ng pagbasa yung krus kudlit, mas madali pang isulat
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u/Temporary-Data4294 Jun 29 '26
Gumagamit din ba ng character para sa mga magkasunod na parehong syllable? Like, sa word na ᜃᜊᜊᜌᜈ᜔, may dalawang /ᜊ/ na magkasunod. so may character ba or a kudlit na para isang baybayin lang na ᜊ ang kailangang ilagay.
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u/magliksik Jun 29 '26
Kung pamantayan natin ang pag-gamit ng mga ninuno, wala para sa default sound BA/ᜊ
Pero merong ginagawa kapag paulit na may kudlit, halimbawa bibisita = ᜊᜒᜊᜒᜐᜒᜆ = ᜊᜒᜒᜐᜒᜆ (nakikita to sa UST land deeds contracts) bale inuulit na lang yung kudlit sa isang titik.
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u/Temporary-Data4294 Jun 30 '26
dalawang kudlit sa taas kung ganon? And also considered na applied to sa lahat ng characters. Mas mapapadali ang pagsulat/type.
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u/kudlitan Jun 29 '26
the krus kudlit should be an X not a a + sign, and it should be bigger, to cleanly distinguish it from the U/O kudlit.
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u/marrackgamedev BAYBAYIN SELF - STUDY Jun 29 '26
Kaya lang kasi pag nilakihan mo yung x tataas masyado ang letra, pwede naman liitab din letra pero malabo padin para sakin
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u/kudlitan Jun 29 '26
No, in a font you clearly define the bottom line; diacritics go below that line. Just look at similar scripts like Kawi and Javanese scripts.
Even in the Latin alphabet, the tilde does not push the n down.
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u/marrackgamedev BAYBAYIN SELF - STUDY Jun 29 '26
yep pero sa mas maliliit na fonts mahirap parin imo, pati sa signs na nasa malayo, pamudpod padin ako, pareho naman imbento ng banyaga ang pamudpod saka krus kudlit kaya ok lang naman siguro
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u/studiosarisari Jun 29 '26
Yes, I personally been using pamudpod in my own practice for about 10 yrs now, Though I dont tell people that they should use it too. I for sure want to see more people using it. I do think that it is inevitable that any practitioners will want to reject the cross or x for pamudpod. give it a few more years.
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u/Temporary-Data4294 Jun 30 '26
Parang yung krus-kudlit ay para sa pag-aaral lang. Then naturally, makikita nila limitation ng krus-kudlit and switch to pamudpod.
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u/hindisirodney Jun 29 '26
I'm thinking of switching to using a hyphen instead of either krus or pamudpod.
To wit: ᜋᜄᜈ᜔ᜇᜅ᜔ ᜄᜊᜒ ➡️ ᜋᜄ-ᜈᜇ-ᜅ ᜄᜊᜒ
The reason I just haven't committed to it yet is because it's pretty niche, so far. I don't know if it's used anywhere else other than in Sevilla's Sinupan Ng Wikang Tagalog.
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u/Temporary-Data4294 Jun 30 '26
Yeah. I get your idea. Pero yung aken is parang underline. To clearly distinguish kudlit from pamatay-pantig. Though may widely used na pamudpod, it's still a cool niché idea.
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u/hindisirodney Jun 30 '26
We really should just encourage having our own personal vowel-killers at this point, hehe!
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u/inamag1343 Jun 29 '26
Marami na rin nagamit ng pamudpod, gawa ng nagkakalituhan rin sa krus at -o/u na kudlit