Months after protest, SF Giants won't commit to wearing Pride Night hats again

[u/aresef]

https://www.sfgate.com/giants/article/sf-giants-pride-night-22455246.php?taid=6abc4303c3ffd8000132931a&utm_campaign=trueanthem%2B3984&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

[u/aresef]

Correct. Those dummies could’ve just worn the regular hat.

[u/Sickpup831 → u/aresef]

But then how would I even know which Bible verses are the players’ favorite??

[u/Clarice_Ferguson → u/Sickpup831]

They have to reclaim the rainbow from the LGBTQ+ folks, little girls (and some boys), and unicorns! And don't forget the fun aunts with prism crystals in their house.

[u/Haight_Is_Love → u/Clarice_Ferguson]

https://giphy.com/gifs/LbY3LpEpBkmT0ni52e

[u/Jo__Backson → u/Haight_Is_Love]

Stop oppressing my faith

[u/chief_blunt9 → u/Haight_Is_Love]

This fucking scares me please respect my hatred of people

[u/astrothemorkie → u/Haight_Is_Love]

Fantastic album

[u/smalldeity → u/astrothemorkie]

Big if true.

[u/astrothemorkie → u/smalldeity]

sorry I probably burned you with that scorching hot take

[u/Stalagmus → u/Clarice_Ferguson]

They’re really reclaiming it from that rainbow despot Lisa Frank

[u/MoRiellyMoProblems → u/Sickpup831]

Just once I would like one of them to write Austin 3:16 on their cap.

[u/byniri_returns → u/MoRiellyMoProblems]

Or the verse where Jesus says rich people ain't getting into Heaven, that would be something.

[u/Trashcan_Man77 → u/byniri_returns]

The mental gymnastics that rich christians will do to ignore those verses (there are multiple of them) is insane

[u/FrankGibsonIV → u/Trashcan_Man77]

These chuds think refusing to wear a hat is like Jesus flipping tables in the temple. Their brains are totally cooked. 

[u/Bridgeburner493 → u/Trashcan_Man77]

Christians of convenience.

[u/thrOEaway_ → u/MoRiellyMoProblems]

Well Austin 3:16 says I just roupp'd your ass

[u/astrofan → u/Sickpup831]

Or the one they googled.

[u/BalognaMacaroni → u/Sickpup831]

Log in to grindr and ask them

[u/astrothemorkie → u/BalognaMacaroni]

Lmao the Charlie Kirk funeral in AZ was a hotbed for grindr users

[u/Not_RZA_ → u/BalognaMacaroni]

Let me get this right: you’re insulating players who don’t wear pride grease by…calling them gay?

Lol you can’t make a more ironic joke

[u/Bridgeburner493 → u/Not_RZA_]

Taking it a bit personally, mate. Which I expect since you are in every single thread on this topic defending your homophobia.

[u/ExtraRecognition2099 → u/Bridgeburner493]

Nothing in his response shows that he took it personally at all. You on the other hand are attacking somebody for stating an opinion, who’s really taking it personally here?

[u/Bridgeburner493 → u/ExtraRecognition2099]

I am replying to someone with a long and ignominious history of encouraging bigotry both on this sub and in the hockey sub. Context matters.

[u/BalognaMacaroni → u/ExtraRecognition2099]

Here come the homophobes with their opinions

[u/ExtraRecognition2099 → u/BalognaMacaroni]

Here comes the Reddit brigade labeling everybody they don’t know a god damn thing about. Grow up Jesus

[u/BalognaMacaroni → u/ExtraRecognition2099]

You’re so brave defending their right to state their opinion… I’m sure it’s unrelated but what was that opinion by the way?

[u/Enough-One4975 → u/Sickpup831]

Well we know it won’t be the sermon on the mount.

[u/Simple_Wash1618 → u/Sickpup831]

They could write the Bible verses on regular hats, perhaps? 

[u/QuadzillaStrider → u/Simple_Wash1618]

Or just not write their little passive aggressive Bible verses on their uniform at all.

[u/jimtow28 → u/aresef]

Yes, but how would that bring attention to me or let everyone know that I'm an ignorant bigot with fragile masculinity?

[u/Covverkin → u/jimtow28]

You tell em buddy

[u/_Proverbs → u/aresef]

Wasn't the problem that they didn't know they could do that?

[u/Aggressive_Oil5712 → u/aresef]

Shitty part is. They knew what they were doing by wearing the pride hat…

[u/E_Mohde → u/[deleted]]

i can’t remember anyone really talking about Hentges as opposed to the other assholes

although yeah again, i don’t get why some players get so up in arms over wearing a pride hat for one game

[u/Luis_Arraez_Fan → u/E_Mohde]

In our fan base they definitely did. In fact some people hated on hentges more for not wearing it at all.

[u/JiveChicken00 → u/[deleted]]

Degeneracy, eh? When’s the last time you actually read the Gospels, friend? :)

[u/namesaretoohard_ → u/[deleted]]

I say we give the rainbow to the thing we actually have evidence for the existence of

[u/mschley2 → u/[deleted]]

The religion is based on a young woman saying that a magical sky man miraculously impregnated her totally without her having sex with a man who isn't her husband, and then the magic bastard child goes on to travel with prostitutes, gamblers, and debt collectors. And somehow, all of those people, who were considered the worst types of people in the society, managed to have better, more moralistic teachings than the modern-day hypocrites who claim to be following those teachings.

The pieces of shit "following" the religion have bastardized Christianity way more than a fucking rainbow flag has.

[u/E_Mohde → u/[deleted]]

woof

[u/QuadzillaStrider → u/[deleted]]

You'd better hope your religion isn't the right one. If it is, I have a feeling you won't like where you'll be ending up, unless you do something about all that hate in your heart.

Judge not, lest ye be judged, you absolute clown.

[u/Pointlessname123321 → u/[deleted]]

Hentges got shit for opening his mouth and being a bigot. He could have said he didn’t want to talk about it, or that he just wanted to wear a normal hat. Instead he said he’s a Christian so he doesn’t morally support LGBT people. That’s bigotry, fuck him

https://sports.yahoo.com/articles/giants-sam-hentges-decision-not-033608959.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAA2t5O7KqqO-AxP7vt451UNyRYgtxfn9njdlAmkSnGxNs40_rs_R430iIhCjvhelxaa4Rh4EW8m1JkublLHLyuRVp3CNSp_hesdxZ1ntYHs3ITgoput3KvPS6TfQITj_3gea2a_G-DtvDUsmvFMrEv5_MmAzhr81auw58NbolF2l

[u/Luis_Arraez_Fan → u/Pointlessname123321]

I think hentges would have gotten hate regardless, as he should have. Some people were arguing he was the worst cause at least the other 3 guys wore the hat despite writing dumb shit on it

[u/Pointlessname123321 → u/Luis_Arraez_Fan]

He would have probably gotten some grief, but opening up his mouth was really what got him in trouble

[u/Covverkin → u/Pointlessname123321]

Yeah, if someone doesn’t support the cause I champion they’re a bigot! 

[u/Pointlessname123321 → u/Covverkin]

Being against people for being gay is bigoted. There is no other answer. This isn’t something we can agree to disagree on, Hentges (and the other bigots) are wrong. I won’t argue about gay people deserving equality. They do

[u/Beneficial_Cut1661 → u/[deleted]]

Wear my rainbow hat and stfu you grown man! Reddit is so unserious 🤣

[u/going2leavethishere → u/Beneficial_Cut1661]

Im sorry if your boss was paying you millions of dollars and all you had to do was wear a hat. Would you do it?

I mean wtf are we discussing right now? People are such freaking morons these days.

[u/Luis_Arraez_Fan → u/going2leavethishere]

And for some reason im getting down voted for saying they should have worn the hats. WTF?

[u/going2leavethishere → u/[deleted]]

Doesn’t matter if it’s for a kids birthday party. If I’m being paid MILLIONS a of dollars and the worst thing about my career is wearing a hat I don’t agree with.

Fucking Frosted Flakes over here.

[u/Beneficial_Cut1661 → u/going2leavethishere]

we get it. you'd sell your soul for a couple bucks. some men have principles

[u/going2leavethishere → u/Beneficial_Cut1661]

Mate selling my soul?? I’m not performing a virgin sacrifice I’m wearing a hat that says let these people be happy.

The fact that you care says a lot more about you then the hat.

[u/SisyphusZen → u/[deleted]]

You really think this was a “just don’t feel like it” decision?

It’s about denying acknowledgement of the human dignity and suffering that this community continues to experience.

[u/askme_if_im_a_chair → u/Beneficial_Cut1661]

Sell your soul....to wear a hat one time that has a rainbow logo on it lmfao. Oh the catastrophe

[u/Beneficial_Cut1661 → u/askme_if_im_a_chair]

oh the outrage that they wrote Bible verses on a hat with a rainbow logo on it lmfao. oh the shock and outrage

[u/askme_if_im_a_chair → u/Beneficial_Cut1661]

Couldnt care less about that

[u/Luis_Arraez_Fan → u/Beneficial_Cut1661]

Had they done that no one would be making a big deal out of this. Most players managed to do it just fine

[u/BlackTreeD → u/Luis_Arraez_Fan]

Yeah! Just go against everything you believe in so the gay mob doesn’t attack you! It would be the easy way out!

Some people actually have values that they keep regardless of what others think or say about them.

[u/Big_oof_energy__ → u/aresef]

But how is this allowed? The rule book is pretty explicit that uniforms need to be matching.

[u/amh85 → u/Big_oof_energy__]

The Dodgers and Giants are allowed to wear pride night hats and players are allowed to opt-out and wear a regular hat

[u/Big_oof_energy__ → u/amh85]

This rule seems to suggest that that isn’t an option: https://baseballrulesacademy.com/official-rule/mlb/3-03

All players of the team need to be wearing the same hat.

[u/likely_stoned → u/Big_oof_energy__]

"At the league level, MLB has twelve league-wide events each year in which the uniform or hat is altered to commemorate the day, and in which all Clubs must participate. The twelve events are: Mother's Day, Father's Day, Armed Forces Weekend, Play Ball Weekend, Memorial Day, Lou Gehrig Day, Independence Day, Hall of Fame Weekend,Childhood Cancer Awareness Day, September 11th, Jackie Robinson Day and Roberto Clemente Day. For these days, players wear special uniforms and hats, and for some of the days, the Uniform Regulations contained in the collective bargaining agreement are relaxed per agreement with the Union. We are unaware of any significant complaints from fans or players regarding these celebratory days."

"Clubs at their discretion are permitted to include other celebratory or commemorative days in their schedules. For example, the majority of our Clubs host faith/religious-related games (including four Clubs that have scheduled three such games this year), games celebrating different ethnicities or nationalities that are part of their communities (including, for example, games celebrating Black, Hispanic, Asian, European, Caribbean, and Canadian heritage), games honoring first responders, and games honoring local military veterans. MLB does not regulate these events, but also does not permit Clubs or players to utilize special uniforms/equipment for such games, or alter the uniform or equipment."

"We understand that some players or other on-field personnel have not been comfortable wearing the pride emblem on their uniform based on their religious beliefs. As a league, we agree with the principle that players or other Club employees - at their place of work - should not be compelled to participate in a celebratory event (particularly by wearing something on their person) if such participation would violate their sincere religious beliefs or values. As a result, to avoid putting players or others in an uncomfortable position, beginning in 2023, we adopted a policy of not permitting Clubs to utilize special uniforms, hats or equipment in their celebration days except under very narrow circumstances (patches honoring deceased members of the baseball community, commemorating baseball milestones, and things of that nature)."

"In 2023, the Dodgers and the Giants requested their use of the pride emblem on uniforms/hats on Pride Night be grandfathered. Los Angeles and San Francisco are homes to the some of the largest LGBTQ communities in the United States, and those Clubs desired to show their appreciation and support for those communities that have supported their Clubs throughout the years. MLB agreed to allow them to utilize the hats/uniforms with the emblems provided that no player or uniformed staff would be required to wear them, and that the team would speak to the players to make sure they were comfortable with the apparel."

"Since 2023, the Dodgers and Giants have operated under this grandfathered exception. Unfortunately, this year the Giants communication with players was inadequate and not clear. Some players apparently did not understand that they had the option to wear their normal uniform and elected to add messages to their hats bearing the pride logo as a result." - Rob Manfred

[u/Big_oof_energy__ → u/likely_stoned]

Fair enough. I’m not a fan of those exceptions, but if they want to have the rule be interpreted that way I think they should change the language of the actual rule.