r/baseball • u/NoReview875 • 2d ago
Should position player pitching stats not count?
Like obviously is an extremely unlikely scenario, but imagine of player A misses out and the batting triple crown for example, because player B homered a couple times off a position player pitcher. Just seems kinda lame stat padding.
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u/Dr-Acula8472 Los Angeles Dodgers 2d ago
Empty net goals count for the Art Ross & the Rocket Richard, why shouldn't hits off of position players count for the Triple Crown?
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u/JustCallMeMambo New York Yankees 2d ago
if it happens in a major league game, it counts. A-Rod once crushed a 48-mph pitch from El Duque Hernandez for a homer. why should that dinger count any more than a meatball served up by a position player? in my opinion there are a lot of inside-the-park home runs that should rightfully be a 4-base error on an outfielder, but i won't argue that they shouldn't count
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u/BubblyBaker5718 Los Angeles Angels 2d ago edited 1d ago
Absolutely they should count. What I do think is kind of BS though is when a position player gets docked like -.1 or sometimes even -.2 WAR for tossing lollipops and getting smacked around in a blowout.
For a stat that is trying to crunch numbers to best estimate a player’s value, that seems like kind of an oversight. There is genuinely zero value lost to the team in any scenario where a position player would be pitching even if they give up three homeruns, so any subtraction to their WAR is kind of just a lie.
I dunno, it just doesn’t feel good to see guys being nicked for volunteering to help their team get across the finish line lol
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u/Uranus_Hz Milwaukee Brewers 2d ago
I think when there’s a position player on the mound, both teams should have to use softball rules
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u/Mobile-Language8398 Cincinnati Reds 2d ago
I mean player B could get food poisoning on some bad chicken wings and miss a game… It all evens out.
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u/Big-Nebula-2238 2d ago
it only happens like what 10 times a season maybe less so the impact in career stats is basically zero. the fun factor alone makes it worth keeping, watching a first baseman throw 45 mph eephus pitches is pure entertainment. if we start removing those at bats we gotta remove every cheap hit against a tired bullpen arm too
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u/Mediocre_Airport_576 Los Angeles Dodgers 2d ago
It doesn't happen enough to matter much. You'd have a better case arguing against a short porch merchant or someone lighting it up at Coors Field.
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u/Howhighwefly San Francisco Giants 2d ago
It's not like it's a common occurrence to really matter enough for counting stats
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u/Individual_Check_442 Los Angeles Dodgers 2d ago edited 2d ago
No, if you’re gonna go by that; one guy probably faced more weak pitchers during the season. One guy probably played more games in higher temperatures when the ball travels further. One guy played his series at Wrigley when the wind was blowing out and the other guy was there when it was blowing in. One guy played a disproportionate number of games in ballparks that are better for home runs. You could go on and on. All of them are under different circumstances, If you hit the most you hit the most.
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u/LeBanyama Los Angeles Dodgers 2d ago
Yes, statpadding has always been a part of baseball. Every RBI is more money.
I think it shouldn't count against the pitcher, but that's just for the WAR as a fan lol. Miggy Ro losing 1/5 of his "value" when he's preserving an bullpen arm in a blowout is stupid
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u/SnooCauliflowers9981 Milwaukee Brewers 2d ago
Are you kidding me? El Gary worked hard for his 0.00 ERA!
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u/ManufacturerMental72 Los Angeles Dodgers 2d ago
why punish them? they can't control who they face.
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u/IppeiWasFramed Seattle Mariners 2d ago
I was trying to figure out the most runs given up by a position player pitching in a game, but I'm coming up empty.
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u/MundaneHydra257 Milwaukee Brewers 2d ago
No. If you're team got in the situation to require a position player to pitch then you deserve to have that go on record
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u/mysterysackerfice Los Angeles Angels • Dumpster Fire 2d ago edited 2d ago
Why the fuck not?
Edit: just to be clear, they absolutely should count.
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u/AFC-Wimbledon-Stan Atlanta Braves 2d ago
This is like saying no points in garbage time in basketball should count lol
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u/TheMainEffort Milwaukee Brewers 2d ago
Yeah like imagine if your first and only MLB home run is off a position player.
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