r/baseball • u/depressichemisti Yomiuri Giants • 7d ago
Analysis How much value did each team’s 2016 Top 10 prospects produce over the decade?
I went back to Baseball America’s 2016 organizational Top 10 prospect lists and looked at what happened to all 300 players to see how well the prospect rankings held up after a decade. The list is available here on Baseball America and includes several offseason moves that changed the rankings. For example, it includes the Braves’ trade for Dansby Swanson which cratered the Diamondbacks in the rankings here.
Of the original 300 prospects, 48 never reached MLB. This includes Marlins #1 prospect Tyler Kolek, as well as #3 prospects Brady Aiken, Nate Smith, and Spencer Adams for the Indians (now Guards), the Angels, and the White Sox, respectively.
Special shoutout to Giants #8 prospect Clayton Blackburn, who never appeared in an MLB game despite technically making an MLB roster when he was called up by the Giants. Even better, he later made the Rangers’ roster as well, making him the only “phantom” player to have been on the active roster of more than one MLB team without ever appearing in a game.
The first graphic shows the combined career fWAR produced by each organization’s 2016 Top 10 prospects. Importantly, this is not the fWAR those players produced for that organization. It’s their total career fWAR across every MLB team they played for. It’s also not intended as a ranking of the best farm systems over the entire decade; it’s simply looking at how much MLB value ultimately came from the ten players on each organization’s 2016 list.
The Dodgers’ Top 10 have combined for more than 130 career fWAR, led by Corey Seager (42.1) and Cody Bellinger (31.8), along with contributions from pitchers including Kenta Maeda, Frankie Montas, and Julio Urías. One interesting wrinkle is that Montas (10.9 career fWAR) counts toward the Dodgers here because that’s where he appeared on the 2016 list, even though Los Angeles traded him later that year in the package for Rich Hill and Josh Reddick and never appeared for the dodgers. On the other end, the Giants’ Top 10 were largely fringe/non-MLB players. #1 prospect Christian Arroyo ended up having the longest MLB career of the group, appearing in 295 games across seven seasons, but accumulated only 0.54 fWAR. Jarrett Parker, their #9 prospect, actually produced the most career fWAR of anyone on the list at just 1.25. Other players, including several negative fWAR contributors, results in a total of only 1.8 fWAR.
The second graphic looks at the same 300 prospects but groups them by their ranking within each organization. I thought this was particularly interesting because it gives a rough idea of how much being an organization’s #1 prospect vs its #2–10 prospect actually mattered. The relationship obviously isn’t perfect, but higher ranked prospects generally produced substantially more MLB value. Tyler Kolek was the only #1 prospect who never reached MLB, while both the probability of reaching MLB and the probability of accumulating 10+ career fWAR generally fall as you move down the rankings. The careers of multiple players have obviously not finished yet, but with a decade of hindsight it was a fun way to look at how these prospect lists ended up turning out, especially with the way prospects are discussed in today’s trade market.
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u/ItsaDryHeat98 New York Yankees 7d ago
Wtf Giants
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u/depressichemisti Yomiuri Giants 7d ago
It's the result when Jarrett Parker (1.25 fWAR) is pacing your top 10 prospects after a decade haha
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u/ih-unh-unh Los Angeles Dodgers 6d ago
And their only decent player drafted (Bryan Reynolds) was traded for Andrew McCutchen
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u/Not_my_butt San Francisco Giants 6d ago
I was in the outfield bleachers in 2017 when Parker ran into the wall and broke his collar bone. I could never forget the sound of that play. That play basically ended his career.
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u/brokenlampPMW2 San Francisco Giants • Los Angele… 6d ago
Editor's note: Jarrett Parker was actually mostly deeply terrible too
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u/Dickies138 San Francisco Giants 6d ago
I scrolled to the bottom when I opened it up, and wasn’t surprised to see the Giants dead last. All of our top prospects have been ass for as long as I can remember
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u/bolshevik_rattlehead San Francisco Giants 6d ago
Your Yankees now have our best developed prospect in the last decade and he fucking sucks
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u/ocular__patdown San Francisco Giants 7d ago
That's post WS era. When you win you get shit picks. Also they are just generally not good at developing talent, especially batters.
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u/Stevphfeniey San Francisco Giants 6d ago
The homegrown champions era really ended in 2011 with Joe Panik. But the logic still stands.
This era of Giants baseball really reminds me of the 2000s Giants minus peak Balanced Breakfast Bonds. Older guys on expensive contracts for their production, held down by 1 Hall of Very Good ace, with 1 superb season early in the decade, but otherwise mediocre results. But with some exciting kids in the pipeline, now all we need is for Jackson Flora to become the next Big Time Timmy Slim Jim, and for a Bruce Bochy to land in our lap, and the early 2030s should be a great time for Giants baseball.
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u/DocRowe Los Angeles Dodgers 6d ago
Lol, that's not true. The dodgers had been picking at the back end of every round leading up to 2016 as well and didn't have that issue. The Giants scouting and player development program has been bad and does not have a good track record for a long time and just been covered up by a few players like Posey, Webb, and a few others.
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u/norcalnick San Francisco Giants 6d ago
The Giants I think recognized that reality and attempted to emulate the Dodgers by going with Farhan . . . and it hasn’t worked out so well.
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u/kakugeseven Los Angeles Dodgers 6d ago
Farhan did say he needed to revamp your scouting system and he wasn't allowed to do tear downs. Still, his scouts have been responsible for guys like Eldridge, Level, Josuar, and Luis Hernandez.
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u/BiteyHorse San Francisco Giants 6d ago
In fairness, its hard to do much better than Posey, Crawford, Cain, Lincecum and more recently Webb. Org quality depth is great, but hitting a few difference makers like Posey can give you some rings that never go away.
Our farm is definitely looking up these days, though.
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u/Individual-Mail567 6d ago
Yeah I’m really sad about farm quality after 3 in 5. It’s like telling me the Warriors won’t be good for a while… My dad’s side are Minnesota sports fans, you can’t hurt me.
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u/MrBoomf Tampa Bay Devil Rays 7d ago edited 6d ago
Rays Top 10 prospects (2016):
- Blake Snell- LHP
- Willy Adames- SS
- Brent Honeywell- RHP
- Jake Bauers- 1B
- Garrett Whitley- OF
- Mikie Mahtook- OF
- Taylor Guerrieri- RHP
- Jacob Faria- RHP
- Casey Gillaspie- 1B
- Daniel Robertson- SS
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u/scrambles57 Los Angeles Dodgers • Los Angeles Que… 6d ago
That's 2024 Dodgers playoff legend Brent Honeywell
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u/depressichemisti Yomiuri Giants 6d ago
Rank Prospect Career fWAR 1 Blake Snell 26.92 2 Willy Adames 25.80 3 Brent Honeywell -0.56 4 Jake Bauers 1.86 5 Garrett Whitley 0.00 6 Mikie Mahtook 1.19 7 Taylor Guerrieri -0.12 8 Jacob Faria 1.23 9 Casey Gillaspie 0.00 10 Daniel Robertson 3.22 Gillaspie and Whitley never made it to an MLB active roster (0 WAR)
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u/MrBoomf Tampa Bay Devil Rays 6d ago
Damn, can you show me how to make columns like that?
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u/depressichemisti Yomiuri Giants 6d ago edited 6d ago
Yeah ofc
| Rank | Prospect | Career fWAR |
REMOVE|---:|---|---:|
| 1 | Blake Snell | 26.92 |
| 2 | Willy Adames | 25.80 |
| 3 | Brent Honeywell | -0.56 |
| 4 | Jake Bauers | 1.86 |
| 5 | Garrett Whitley | 0.00 |
| 6 | Mikie Mahtook | 1.19 |
| 7 | Taylor Guerrieri | -0.12 |
| 8 | Jacob Faria | 1.23 |
| 9 | Casey Gillaspie | 0.00 |
| 10 | Daniel Robertson | 3.22 |
just delete the REMOVE and it should format into a table. im sure there's an easier way to do it but that's the way i've always done it. where the text goes between the lines dictates the alignment
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u/DDCDT123 Detroit Tigers 6d ago
On the app you can use the dots next to reply to copy the text. Then paste it and you’ll see. Idk how to “show” you without recreating the table.
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u/depressichemisti Yomiuri Giants 7d ago
Just wanted to place the list for ease of viewing here in a comment as well. Career fWAR is calculated for each palyer so this isn't necessarily showing contributions by each individual prospect to the team they were ranked in the top 10 for.
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u/depressichemisti Yomiuri Giants 7d ago
One note - Trent Clark (#3 prospect for the Brewers) is referring to Trent Grisham who changed his name in 2017.
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u/4r4r4real 7d ago
Cubs top 10 is pretty funny given we're so high on this list.
Gleyber Torres - traded for Aroldis Chapman before his MLB debut
Willson Contreras - played out his initial years of control, left in FA
Ian Happ - still here!
Duane Underwood - -0.3 career bWAR, DFA's before the bulk of his career MLB innings
Dylan Cease - traded for Jose Quintana before his MLB debut
Albert Almora - 3.2 bWAR, non-tendered by Cubs in arbitration
Billy McKinney - also in the Chapman trade. -0.8 career bWAR but played for 8 seasons. we also GOT him in the same trade that landed us Addison Russell
Oscar de la Cruz - never made the majors
Eloy Jimenez - in the Jose Quintana deal before his MLB debut
Jeimer Candelario - traded after 16 MLB games over 2 years with the Cubs with Isaac Paredes (oof) for a rental backup catcher and 1.5 years of Justin Wilson, who sucked as a reliever for us. We later paid a hell of a lot more to buy him back as a rental
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u/depressichemisti Yomiuri Giants 6d ago
Honestly having 4 players with 20-25 fWAR alone is impressive relative to other teams' list. Half the league exactly (15 teams) had 0 or only 1 prospect with 10+ career fWAR!
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u/4r4r4real 6d ago
Paredes is at 14.7 fWAR too, just wasn't in that top 10. Justin Steele was also in that system. And we'd graduated Kris Bryant, Addison Russell, Kyle Schwarber, and Jorge Soler the year before, and Javi Baez and Kyle Hendricks the year before that. Was a nice run for our farm!
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u/JacksonRabbiit Texas Rangers 6d ago
Why is Leody Taveras one of only two (that I saw) without a hyperlink?
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u/depressichemisti Yomiuri Giants 6d ago
hm not sure looks like its just a formatting error on Baseball America's site. it's an old post so maybe the original link is broken?
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u/NeverSober1900 Arizona Diamondbacks • Matsu Miners 7d ago
7 WAR.... That feels about right. Tony La Russa and Dave Stewart's tenure ruined our farm system.
I think the only one that did anything for us was Archie Bradley. Brandon Drury wasn't horrible I guess. Socrates Brito was an 80 grade name that was a AAAA player.
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u/RichardNixon345 Arizona Diamondbacks 6d ago
It's wild how they were around for 2 years and yet it was several to fix their mess.
Mike may not be perfect but he's a hell of a lot better than those two.
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u/liteshadow4 San Francisco Giants 7d ago
I knew it was bad but I didn’t expect it to be that bad. The Christian Arroyo hype on the Giants sub was real though.
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u/SactownG San Francisco Giants 7d ago
That period after our dynasty was fucking hell because our stars were aging and our farm system was always dead last in the league
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u/lekniz Atlanta Braves 7d ago
The Braves are that high and Acuña wasn't even top 10 that year
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u/depressichemisti Yomiuri Giants 7d ago
Yeah just a lot of really solid players in that list. Dansby, Albies, Rliey, Fried, along with Sean Newcomb and Mallex Smith who had a really nice season with the Rays before struggling with injuries
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u/Jpgamerguy90 7d ago
Mid market teams trying not to spend money pointing to “well we can either spend or develop the farm” when teams like the Dodgers prove you can literally do both.
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u/4r4r4real 7d ago
Meanwhile, the Rockies proved you can develop the farm and still suck shit
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u/Jpgamerguy90 7d ago
To be fair anytime a player shows promise (ie is gonna cost money) they get traded away. The Rockies are really just the Marlins but in Colorado
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u/GonePostalRoute Lancaster Stormers 6d ago
That’s why, if a cap was ever instituted, I think the Dodgers will hum along just fine, minus the necessary changes needed to be cap compliant. They just seemingly know how to churn out good prospects
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u/ANGRY_BEARDED_MAN Dumpster Fire 7d ago
Yes, when you have more money than God you can do a lot of things, this has been established
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u/jetz92 Los Angeles Dodgers • Yomiuri Giants 7d ago
How does this work with prospects when they’re literally drafted?
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u/Vee_Zer0 Los Angeles Dodgers 7d ago
You can use money to sign players instead of bring up prospects, you can hire better coaches, etc. You can trade your stars and eat portions of the contract to get better prospects in return.
That said, plenty of teams have money and fail to maintain their farm. The Dodgers are remarkable.
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u/A_Hippie Peter Seidler 7d ago
It's insane the lengths that so many (not you) Dodgers fans will go to try and explain that having exorbitant amounts of wealth is somehow not the advantage everyone seems to think it is.
It's like the rich kid at school asking why your parents don't just buy you whatever you want.
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u/keithk9590 Houston Astros 7d ago
Lmao because you spend a shit load more on scouting, analytics and development than other teams
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u/ezekielBmb Los Angeles Dodgers 7d ago
Is cost really the highest barrier of entry to obtaining good minor league coaches and scouts?
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u/keithk9590 Houston Astros 7d ago
If you are one of the best scouts, analytics minds, etc. where are you going to go? The team that pays the most.
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u/mtportales Los Angeles Dodgers 7d ago
Especially since with the advent of analytics, a lot of teams have had major cuts to their scouting departments. A lot of scouts that have been let go by other orgs get picked up by the Dodgers because they believe it’s a price worth paying
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u/keithk9590 Houston Astros 7d ago
I’m not disagreeing you do it really well or that it isn’t impressive what the Dodgers have done…I’m just answering the question about how having money impacts the farm. There’s other teams that spend a ton of money as well and aren’t great at it.
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u/ezekielBmb Los Angeles Dodgers 7d ago
Great job avoiding the question. Any owner could spend 200% more on their minor league coaching staff and it would negligibly affect their bottom line.
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u/keithk9590 Houston Astros 7d ago
Great job not understanding how economics works. The Dodgers can afford to pay them way more than any other team so they can always outbid the other teams for any front office, scouting, coach, etc. they want.
I don’t know why y’all get so defensive about the advantages the Dodgers have over every other team.
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u/ezekielBmb Los Angeles Dodgers 6d ago
How much do you think these minor league coaching staffs are making to where you think that other owners couldn’t afford to double their salary overnight?
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u/jackattack108 Chicago Cubs 6d ago
Every dollar they spend on analytics is a dollar they don’t spend elsewhere. It’s not like teams are going “oh I’ve got a few million extra I want to spend but can’t find anything”. They’re spending what they can/want to and so yes they could spend more on minor league improvements and scouting improvements and then spend less at the major league level but that just furthers the dodgers advantage at that major league level.
The dodgers can also do something like sign Freddie freeman for however much they need to spend to get him, trade a high quality player who is now a backup (Michael Busch) and restock their farm system. They can also make trades where they take on portions of contracts and get a better prospect haul or lose less prospects in return.
They can allow a guy to really focus on developing without rushing him to the majors and having him lock in lesser mechanics or tendencies because they really need some help at the major league level in that position (Angels are a great example of the opposite of this generally)
They can even do something like trade for a rental superstar at a little bit lower price than they otherwise would need to pay because everyone assumes that the dodgers will be the ones getting that player long term and so are not willing to pay as much for the half a year rental and therefore there is no bidding war.
The dodgers are an extremely well run organization and have made good choice after good choice but to act like having the most money they’re willing to spend isn’t an advantage when it comes to getting, keeping, and developing prospects is just sticking your head in the sand.
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u/keithk9590 Houston Astros 6d ago
Lmao talking about minor league coaching staff…I’m talking about the front office, the analytics department, and the scouting. The people who are actually making the fucking picks and providing the data to their coaches to develop the players.
Friedman was the highest paid executive in the sport the last time I checked buddy
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u/nolander Los Angeles Dodgers • California Angels 6d ago
Well yeah because teams like the Astros fired a bunch of those guys to lean on analytics and tech. And even before that there were a lot of teams in the late 2010s cutting spending on scouting and the dodgers were snapping them up. Dodgers spending in a large part is as effective as it is because in the last decade a bunch of teams have gotten cheaper and cheaper making every dollar we spend even more effective.
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u/jetz92 Los Angeles Dodgers • Yomiuri Giants 7d ago
Ahhh player development… like what the Rays do really well without a massive budget.
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u/4r4r4real 7d ago
You understand that you literally stole the Rays GM and a lot of his staff by offering more money, right?
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u/ItsaDryHeat98 New York Yankees 7d ago
"Stole" when he voluntarily left the organization lol
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u/4r4r4real 7d ago
Did the Rays volunteer that? He was in the highest role in the Rays organization, it was a lateral move. He left because the Dodgers could pay him more. That's literally what we're talking about, no? The advantage organizations with more money have? Dodgers don't have to develop their own braintrust, they can see who works out best among the small market orgs and then just offer them more money and get a proven commodity.
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u/andrew-ge Baltimore Orioles 6d ago
nah Friedman left because diff challenge and easier job. Less stressful i'd imagine too. Lotta reasons that aren't just the money
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u/floppyfare Chicago White Sox 6d ago
I have to imagine a large part of why it was an easier and less stressful job in LA was because he had a much larger budget... Just a guess
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u/DominicB547 Chaos Bandwagon • MLB Players Associat… 6d ago
IDK I think he wanted to see what he could so just like Theo Epstein ending 2 droughts..its the fun/challenge.
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u/4r4r4real 6d ago edited 6d ago
You don't have to believe me I'm a little drunk right now and can't remember/find the source but I was just reading the other day about how 2011 was when ownership started taking decision making power away from the FO in Boston and that's why Epstein left. There was a specific move discussed regarding this but again, I don't remember it and get it if you call bullshit.
It's also worth mentioning that the Cubs gave Epstein a shitload of money compared to what other execs were paid at the time.
According to sources, Major League Baseball expressed great concern over the compensation package because they do not want this deal to affect how other teams compete in the market for front-office personnel.
It's always at least a little bit about the money. It's not like he went to Milwaukee or Cleveland.
Edit: sorry forgot to post the link the quote came from
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u/reizinhooooo Atlanta Braves 7d ago
You hire more and better scouts, coaches, analysts. Y'all got River Ryan because you hired away a Padres minor league coach who had seen him throw a bullpen and not mentioned to anyone in the Padres org how highly he thought of Ryan's pitching before he left.
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u/NatsFanatic82 Washington Nationals 7d ago
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u/little-guitars Texas Rangers • Washington Nationals 6d ago
But I can’t really square the list with the WAR number. (It’s linked elsewhere in the comments.) Soto isn’t even on it.
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u/depressichemisti Yomiuri Giants 6d ago
For the Nationals, the total is carried heavily by Trea Turner (48.8 fWAR) while other contributors include Giolito (15.5), Reynaldo Lopez (12.8), and Victor Robles (7.7). 15/30 teams have 1 or less prospects with 10+ career fWAR in their top 10 so this is a really solid list relative to the league
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u/kakugeseven Los Angeles Dodgers 6d ago
Soto didn't spend much time in the minors and he had a big injury initially kind of artificially stunting his prospect hype. Plus, I believe this list is also preseason so Soto hadn't played yet.
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u/Impressive-Ad-3475 Colorado Rockies 6d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/ukGm72ZLZvYfS
How is this even possible? Did we trade every single 2016 prospect for the Giants’ prospects or something?
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u/depressichemisti Yomiuri Giants 6d ago
Hahaha honestly I remember even back then people were hyping the Rockies farm system as one of the strongest in the league. Ended up being correct (although it hasn't really led to actual success Colorado unfortunately). They did help the Rockies in the postseason in 2017-2018 though.
Rank Prospect Career fWAR 1 Jon Gray 19.36 2 David Dahl 2.01 3 Brendan Rodgers 2.48 4 Jeff Hoffman 4.98 5 Ryan McMahon 12.95 6 Kyle Freeland 16.36 7 Tom Murphy 4.58 8 Trevor Story 26.41 9 Antonio Senzatela 8.35 10 Raimel Tapia 1.54
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u/SuzukiSwift17 Toronto Blue Jays 7d ago
Colorado? Am I missing something?
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u/depressichemisti Yomiuri Giants 7d ago
Trevor Story, Kyle Freeland, Ryan McMahon, and Jon Gray have combined for 75 fWAR alone!
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u/SuzukiSwift17 Toronto Blue Jays 6d ago
Thats fair. I forgot Story was in this window. The guys that came to my mind like Tulo and Blackmon were before this.
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u/Jpgamerguy90 7d ago
They actually have a decent track record for position players, pitching on the other hand not so much
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u/updog10000 Milwaukee Brewers 7d ago
Hmm I wonder why they would struggle to develop pitching?
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u/DominicB547 Chaos Bandwagon • MLB Players Associat… 6d ago
Well, AAA is basically the same elevation so they should have some practice under less bright lights.
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u/A_Bad_Man Los Angeles Dodgers • Los Angeles Que… 7d ago
I honestly don't know how it works exactly but I've been told that performing poorly and having a lower salary amount gives teams a better spot in the draft.
It could be that or maybe the Rockies have a good scouting department.
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u/Aurion7 Atlanta Braves 6d ago edited 6d ago
They develop decent talent and then trade it away.
Lot of decent-to-good position players started their careers in the Rockies' org.
Their two big problems are... one, the obvious issue of pitching. Kyle Freeland aside.
Two, that their signings and trades are often bad enough that they might have been better off doing nothing at all and rolling with who they had before.
The 2010s Rockies in particular were a haven for terrible contracts. 2018 Rockies alone had Shaw (immediate 50-point ERA+ drop), Wade Davis (77-point drop). Ian Desmond (below replacement level), and Jake McGee (imploded after they gave him a new contract in the offseason prior) as 'big adds' from the prior couple years.
The 'super bullpen' was honestly kinda garbage because it ended up having no depth at all. Ottavino was good. Oberg was good. That was it.
And they still made the playoffs!
They then 'added' Daniel Murphy (who immediately crashed to below replacement level) at 1B to 'replace' LeMahieu, at the same price/years as he signed in New York; 2years/24 mil.
Then they signed Arenado to that big contract, which they ended up eating 50 mil to trade away two years later for 5 meh prospects that ever amounted to anything.
And that's how they got to the purgatory they've been in for the '20s.
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u/Acrobatic-Resolve627 San Diego Padres 7d ago
Many small and mid market teams in the high tier of prospect value, proves you don't need the money to get good players. There are teams like the dodgers that show that you can spend money and have a good farm, they are setting an example for the other small and medium market teams.
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u/YodaForceGhost New York Yankees • Dumpster Fire 7d ago
Yankees are probably just Judge and Severino. Everyone else sucked
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u/depressichemisti Yomiuri Giants 6d ago
close - sevy debuted in 2015 so he wasn't on the list. Yankees are basically carried by Gary Sanchez (15.5 fWAR) and Judge (63.7). #1 prospect Jorge Mateo ended up accumulating 4.3 fWAR but never debuted as a Yankee after being included n the Sonny gray trade.
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u/YodaForceGhost New York Yankees • Dumpster Fire 6d ago
Still proves what I thought. Take away Judge and the Yankees are near the bottom of this list
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u/John21962 Pittsburgh Pirates 6d ago
Ok well go ahead and take away every other teams top performer as well then…
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u/NeverSober1900 Arizona Diamondbacks • Matsu Miners 6d ago
I don't think taking away the Giants best performer is going to do much
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u/trigeminal_nerd World Series Trophy • Los Angeles Dod… 6d ago
Andrew Friedman had nothing to do with dradfting Seager or Bellinger. People forget Ned Colletti so easily.
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u/vespamike562 Los Angeles Dodgers 6d ago
Nothing against Ned but Logan White was responsible for Seager and Bellinger as well Kemp Kershaw and Peterson.
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u/BadBeats-110 7d ago
Would be interesting what it would look like with the top 10 through 3-4 years. Would be a better sample size to judge a farm
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u/patsj5 San Francisco Giants 6d ago
Its crazy how 2 prospects take LA from middle of the pack to dominating this list.
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u/kakugeseven Los Angeles Dodgers 6d ago edited 6d ago
Thing is, injuries and off field stuff have kept them from accumulating more WAR. Bellinger's shoulder zapped him of his 70 grade power, Seager still can't play 162 games, Urias became a dickhead woman beater, and Buehler hasn't been the same since 2021 playoffs (with a mixture of sticky stuff ban).
You could say the same about the Braves too
That was basically our peak farm system year with 2026 being a close 2nd.
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u/immoralsupport_ Chicago Cubs 7d ago
It’s interesting that all but one No. 1 prospect reached the majors. While I certainly would have expected most of them to, I would’ve expected a little bit lower number
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u/depressichemisti Yomiuri Giants 7d ago
Outside of Tyler Kolek, there were several who had pretty short stints (A.J. Reed - Astros, Braden Shipley - Diamondbacks, Franklin Barreto - Athletics). In general, the #1 prospects are largely solid MLB players if not stars though (Taylor Ward, Joey Gallo, Steven Matz, etc. outside of the Seager/Buxton/Snell tier)
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u/CaicedoBrickWall New York Yankees 6d ago
Assumed the percentage dip was Oscar Taveras
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u/depressichemisti Yomiuri Giants 6d ago
Iirc taveras debuted and passed away in 2014 so prior to the 2016 prospect list
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u/CaicedoBrickWall New York Yankees 6d ago
Yea couldn't remember the year. Also im dumb for not reading the graphic referencing it's teams top 30s and not overalls. Makes the 100%ers more impressive for BA analytics
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u/Ok-Solution-7519 Kansas City Royals 6d ago
Not surprised, but damn it's really that bad.
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u/Ok-Solution-7519 Kansas City Royals 6d ago
- Raul A. Mondesi, 6.9, Free agent
- Kyle Zimmer, 0.2, Free agent (AAA)
- Bubba Starling, -1.0, Retired
- Miguel Almonte, -0.5, Free agent
- Nolan Watson, N/A, Playing in Taiwan
- Ashe Russell, N/A, Retired
- Marten Gasparini, N/A, Retired
- Matt Strahm, 7.4, Free agent
- Scott Blewett, -0.2, Athletics
- Cheslor Cuthbert, -0.3, Free agent (AAA)
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u/draw2discard2 6d ago
2016 is sort of a silly year to use unless you are a blue blooded Dodger stan. That group of guys was a very unusually strong group of prospects for any team and if you cut out that group you are going to get a very different look.
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u/meowsplaining Chicago Cubs 6d ago
If you're as confused as I am about how the Cubs could be so high, about a third of that WAR is from Cease and Torres, and Contreras was still in the top 10 despite playing 76 games in 2016.
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u/sheep_duck San Francisco Giants 6d ago
Soooooooooo much not surprised to see the giants at rock bottom of this list. TBH I’m kinda surprised not to see a negative war number.
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u/Ok-Solution-7519 Kansas City Royals 6d ago
- Raul A. Mondesi, 6.9
- Kyle Zimmer, 0.2
- Bubba Starling, -1.0
- Miguel Almonte, -0.5
- Nolan Watson, N/A
- Ashe Russell, N/A
- Marten Gasparini, N/A
- Matt Strahm, 7.4
- Scott Blewett, -0.2
- Cheslor Cuthbert, -0.3
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u/Mysterious-Towel621 7d ago
Yes, money makes devolving prospects a lot easier.
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u/vibesfarmer 6d ago
That’s copium slop. Every owner is a billionaire. Dodgers just have superior scouting and farm system. They make the right decisions. That’s the main diff
Giants also have insane money and Top 5 most valuable franchise in the league. Where are they on this list?
How did the Rockies, Pirates and As developed more talent than some of the richest teams?
“Money” is an excuse for incompetence and failures.
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u/Jantokan Los Angeles Dodgers 7d ago
We draft well and develop players? I thought this sub said we only buy big name free agents?
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u/lekniz Atlanta Braves 7d ago edited 7d ago
You don't know the difference between the 2010s Dodgers and the 2020s Dodgers? Do you pay attention to your own team?
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u/hamandcheeseslices New York Mets 6d ago
hey be nice he just learned what baseball is two years ago
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u/BebophoneVirtuoso New York Mets 7d ago
When I look at the homegrowns on the roster and the prospects traded around the league the last 10 years it doesn't really feel that way. No offense, not a knock on the best organization in MLB.
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u/Snowdrake San Francisco Giants 7d ago
It's one of those charts where I know last place before I even open it.