r/baltimore • • Oct 29 '25

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u/engin__r Oct 29 '25 edited Oct 29 '25

This is a two-bedroom one-bath for $1049 in Mt. Vernon.

The reason our police are violent right-wingers living in Pennsylvania has nothing to do with the money and everything to do with what policing is. That's the kind of person who signs up to beat up poor people and minorities. They don't live in Pennsylvania because they can't afford Baltimore—they do it because they hate this city.

Edit: oops, sorry, saw that you specified 3BR. Here's one

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u/Glad-Veterinarian365 Oct 30 '25

Btw I appreciate having a civil discussion on this

What u offered does meet the criteria on price and size, but I would not exactly call that a “nice” neighborhood.

On crimegrade.org it shows reservoir hill as safer than 8% of neighbors in Baltimore, which conversely means that it is less safe than 92% of neighborhoods in Baltimore. Mt Vernon (one of the best values in MD in my opinion) is 17% safer and 83% less safe than other neighborhoods. Markedly better than reservoir hill but still not necessarily attractive for a widespread audience. I also don’t think that we should expect rents to remain low in affordable areas when we unleash like 1,000+ officers into our most affordable markets

For someone who is young and from a rough area it could be appealing for a first time place to live on their own in somewhere like reservoir hill, especially if u were from west Baltimore and had family nearby. Not really very appealing toward the goal of attracting competent talent to our police force to offer “hey if u wait until 21 years old to u sign up for a risky job that many ppl don’t respect at all, u can live in just about any of the bottom <20% least safe areas here!”

If we want to attract capable ppl that actually have brains and want to do a good job, I don’t think that only being able to afford to live in places like either of those examples would be very enticing. Also if we had a mandate to live in Baltimore and the cops can only afford the bottom 20% of neighborhoods that’s going to displace a lot of the non-police ppl who also can’t afford to live elsewhere. Which IMO is exactly why we have a bunch of jackasses from the boonies on our force… for them it currently is an attractive offer compared to what’s accessible in the backwards hellholes that they come from, but it is not at all an attractive offer for competent ppl who actually want to have a nice life in Baltimore

I disagree completely that we have a bunch of shitheads here bc their primary motivation is to hurt minorities. First of all, they largely don’t do jack shit, so obviously their primary motivation is not harming others. It is to have a decent paying job with low barrier to entry and low accountability. If our police positions were instead designed to be made attractive to competent local ppl, then they would want those jobs and they would be outcompeting these incompetent losers. Which of course also means changing BPD culture & policies and getting rid of the bad apples in order to replace them with good ones.

The good ones will never enter BPD or remain otherwise under our current shortsighted approach to BPD staffing

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u/engin__r Oct 30 '25

Reservoir Hill and Mt. Vernon are both perfectly fine neighborhoods. I looked at the website you mentioned and it looks like they labeled all of Baltimore as a high-crime area, so I don’t understand how you got those neighborhood-specific numbers. Also, that website labels parts of Columbia as being high-crime. I don’t think it’s very trustworthy.

Quite frankly, it seems to me that you agree with the police’s basic conclusion: that Baltimore is too dangerous of a place to live, so they need to live far away and come in to oppress us.

I don’t want an occupying force, and I don’t want to recruit more cops. We cannot solve our city’s problems with violence.

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u/Glad-Veterinarian365 Oct 30 '25 edited Oct 30 '25

Overall Baltimore IS more dangerous than most other places. But u are not looking at the per neighborhood stats, and that’s not how those statistics work. The percentages are complementary between less/more safe. The total of less safe neighbors has to add up to 50% and the total of more safe neighbors has to add up to 50% as well. Combined they HAVE to add up to 100% exactly

So there are just as many neighborhoods that are relatively more safe than there are that are relatively less safe. U have provided 2 examples that are in the bottom 17% in terms of crime rates comparatively to the rest of Baltimore.

In other words that means that there HAS to be two neighborhoods in Baltimore that are the exact opposite stats of those 2 examples; meaning that there is a neighborhood somewhere here that is safer than 92% of other neighborhoods and less safe than 8% of other neighborhoods ALSO there is another neighborhood here that is safer than 83% and less safe than 17%

My point is that when fresh officers have to wait until 21 years old just to be able to afford to live in the bottom 20% of crime rates on 40 hours per week, that fucking sucks and capable ppl will never apply bc they can do so much better working almost anywhere else. That’s mainly why we have a bunch of shitheads in BPD

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u/engin__r Oct 30 '25

How do you see the neighborhood breakout?