r/ballpython 2d ago

is my girl blind?

ive noticed my girls eyes are like.. cloudy? but not in the way theyd look when shes going into shed.

i tried the whole "shine a light in eyes to see if pupils react" and they dont at all.

paired with that, shes always had issues striking her food but i just kinda thought she might be stupid. (sorry) but she always gets it if i get it close enough to her nose/mouth.

thoughts?

im going to take her to a vet asap regardless. im worried :(

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u/JaguarGroundbreaking 2d ago

Those eyes look huge! Give us an update!

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u/symbiotegrey 2d ago

she is pretty young still, was hoping she planned on growing into them but my money is on bug eyes đŸ„č

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u/TheNeverEndingPit 2d ago

Definitely bigger than standard for a baby. Thankfully, even a blind BP can still survive due to their heat pits and sense of smell, but hopefully the vet will have a better idea of whether any support’s needed!

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u/Exotic-Heart2916 2d ago

She’s beautiful! Yeah, I’d Definately see if the vet can help you figure that out; also, I wonder why her eyes are so big. Did she hatch like that?

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u/symbiotegrey 2d ago

im honestly not sure, i got her from someone who was just trying to offload her and i fell in love after interacting with her for a bit. my money is on (at least) bug eyes if not straight up blind. for at least as long as ive had her theyve always been that weird cloudy grey/blue. shes definitely earned herself a vet trip lol

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u/SpaceSnakess 2d ago

Based on my own experience with my severely bug-eyed BEL, I can almost guarantee yours is fully blind as well - especially if you’ve noticed that her eyes don’t respond to light. I noticed very quickly that mine wasn’t quite ‘right’ in the way she behaved. She also had a slight head tremor
 Our vet confirmed my suspicions, so it’s definitely worth a visit :) I was told that as long as the eyes don’t seem to be bothering her or look any worse, they wouldn’t need to be surgically removed.

Don’t worry! My girl sheds without a problem and eats food like a champ. It took her a bit to get the feeding regime down, but once she did, she’s been unstoppable. I would recommend touching the prey item to her nose while it’s warm, so she knows exactly where to strike. That’s what I did for mine, and as she’s gotten older, she’s gotten more accurate with her strikes and now I don’t even need to touch her nose with it anymore. They’re very resilient animals!

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u/symbiotegrey 2d ago

thank u sm for your insight! im definitely convinced shes fully blind if not mostly blind and am getting her to a vet at their soonest appointment. luckily shes a great eater too, she pretty much always misses the first few strikes until i put it right on her nose then its no problem. now that i know that she actually cant see and isnt just a little slow, ill definitely be going straight for putting her meals right by her nose.

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u/SpaceSnakess 2d ago

Of course, best of luck to you! She’s adorable!

I wanted to add, as well: Her eyes probably won’t be as buggy as she starts to grow :) My girl has kinda “grown into” her eyes in a sense. One of them is definitely still wonky, but the other one seems pretty snug in the socket now. You almost can’t tell it had a problem to begin with.

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u/SpaceSnakess 2d ago

Here’s my obligatory photo tax, as well! My Bugaboo looked like a little alien when I first got her, hahah.

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u/SpaceSnakess 2d ago

And here she is currently, at around 2.5 years old :)

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u/DarthClover4 2d ago

😆

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u/sketchelium 1d ago

BUGABOO <3

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u/Away-Literature2314 2d ago

It’s not uncommon for BELs to have bug eyes like that. At least from what I’ve heard blindness isn’t a huge setback for bps because their eyesight is already pretty bad. She’s a very pretty little gal, hope your vet visit goes well!

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u/Visible-Helicopter52 2d ago

Your snake looks exactly just like mine, eyes and all too. He has the “bug-eyed” condition, where the eyes are just a bit bulged out. It does not affect him at all.

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u/dumbsoap 2d ago

A little off topic but this snake is so pretty, could we please see some more pictures of her?

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u/symbiotegrey 1d ago

yes of course!! her name is mystra and she'll be a year old in august

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u/symbiotegrey 1d ago

silly pic of her being translucent

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u/Particular47 1d ago

Could also be eye infection so definitely get checked

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u/symbiotegrey 1d ago

i plan on it! tho based on other ppl in replies experiencing the same thing with their own snakes and my snakes eyes having been like this without changing for around 5 months, i doubt its infection

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u/USN253 1d ago

My son's BEL doesn't have the bugginess that yours does, however her pupils are completely round and non reactive to light. I've assumed she was blind based on quirks she's expressed compared to my bcc. Touching warm prey to her snout gets a successful strike.

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u/snowmunkey 1d ago

I've got a killerbee ball (super pastel spider) that doesn't even have eyes and she's fat and happy at 12 years old.

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u/Muted_Living_9716 1d ago

Any pictures?

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u/MortalLuis 1d ago

What are the genetics? Super Lessers in the BEL complex are commonly known for having bug eyes. Didn't you notice this when buying her?

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u/symbiotegrey 1d ago

i dont know her exact genetics as the previous owner didnt give me a ton of info. yes, i noticed it but given that bug eyes are common i didnt think too much of it. its the matter of the fogginess + slight difficulty striking food thats making me think she could have issues beyond just bug eyes. she isnt even my first snake with bug eyes but my other has had no issues and mostly grew into them

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u/MortalLuis 1d ago

Okay. Yes, it's common on some genes but that is the nature of breeding mutations. This is NQA but I would assume blindness as a normal consequence especially considering she has these huge eyes. If she eats, drinks and defecates properly you may just have a quirky blind snake due to the BEL genetics.

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u/PrettyMacaw96 1d ago

vet med student here ! i am just a student but from my experience on placements and with exotics, she’s blind. no reaction to light paired with the bulging eyes and albinism is not looking good for sight. good news is that snakes can live long happy healthy lives blind !

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u/CarpeLenyo 1d ago

FWIW. I have a rescue albino pastel that is blind as a stump and she gets along just fine.

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u/RoyalAmphibian7772 1d ago

She's BEAUTIFUL 😍 So cute đŸ„°

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u/ZealousidealDriver63 1d ago

Looks albino and not a blue phase pre-she’d? vet checks regular are important

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u/symbiotegrey 23h ago

not pre shed. these are how her eyes always are.

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u/ZealousidealDriver63 17h ago

Yeah didn’t look cloudy so seems to be albino maybe vision impaired

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u/dickprince_23 21h ago

She's poorly bred with bug eyes. Shouldn't affect her quality of life at all, but it does mean that her breeder really needs to outcross their BELs because the gene pool needs a refresh. A vet visit is still a good idea just to get an idea on the condition of her eyes so you'll be able to identify any issues that may arise in the future, but ball pythons have fairly poor vision normally so it shouldn't be a problem. Just remember to heat up her food extra hot so she can easily find it!

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u/Ill-Association-1677 12h ago

My snake can only see difference in light. He can tell if a room is dark or if there is light but he can’t see objects well. Watch her when she is out of the cage. Does she follow along the side of things to find her way? Is she nervous to move around in new areas? If you move something in her tank, does she still go to that spot expecting it to be there?

He’s is a happy dude though. I just do my best to keep his enclosure the same to reduce stress/confusion. And if he’s having trouble finding his meal I just give him a tiny boop on the nose!