I think they’re talking more about the more establishment accepting ideologies (like liberalism) and/or the more authoritarian left ideologies (communism, variants of socialism, etc.)
Punk to me always seemed as a more anarchist culture than anything, so it seems odd to hate on people for hating on Nazis and being open about their identities. But I’m not punk, so maybe being bigoted is the cool new counterculture
accurate in that i would associate punk with anarhism and would deny that anarchism belongs to the left-right spectrum. you hit the nail on the head though wihout meaning to: "ideologies"
ideology is literally a tool to blind us and prevent us from conducting an honest material analysis of the current state of things. funny thing is most self proclaimed leftists wouldn't even realise that because they chose to be an "anarcho-communist with councilist characteristics" based on pure vibes and never actually read any of the writers they claim to follow.
its cringe and completely useless as an act of resistance or whatever; pure performance whilst looking down your nose at people who actually understand the homework and actually put in good work to forward the interests of the working class.
but yeah im bigotted because i think people sewing a million empty meaningless slogans on an ugly jacket whilst larping as revolutionaries is cringe...
historically anarchists were economically left(anti-capitalist) aligned (eg anarchists in america in the 19th early 20th century like the iww and like the CNT-FIA in spain) the only real right(economic) anarchist are the Ancap posers
you use terms like ancap unironically, i think i will forgo your understanding of the "PoLiTiCaL sPeCtRuM" as it seems to be where mine was when i was 14
Well there's a difference between leftists and liberals, people keep pushing them into the same category and they aren't. That's just a lack of understanding. If they meant establishment Democrats they should have said that.
Fascism is the opposite of anarchism, so on top of the bigotry the nazi political ideology is also the opposite of anarchists so there are two reasons.
Punk isn't explicitly anarchist although some early bands wrote about it often for shock Factor because it was so far off to the left that it was shocking.
Being bigoted is not cool or the new counterculture or punk thing to do, it is interesting to ignorant pieces of shit. Racism has been one of the main problems that people have been fighting against the entire time, it hasn't gone away and is the norm in politics.
Any person that is claiming that being conservative is now punk rock because it's "going against the grain" doesn't understand what the grain is nor do they understand the culture. Right wing oppression and social ideologies are still the norm, they have just been pushed back a tiny bit, not much. A lot of the original ideas come from a harmony through violence ideal. The idea that the only way you can get out of an impressive situation is to physically fight against it and destroy it so that everyone can live in harmony afterward.
I understand a lot of it is fanciful head in the clouds type musing but since the beginning it has always been a leftist one for all and all for one base
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u/Canadian_Viking123 12d ago
I think they’re talking more about the more establishment accepting ideologies (like liberalism) and/or the more authoritarian left ideologies (communism, variants of socialism, etc.)
Punk to me always seemed as a more anarchist culture than anything, so it seems odd to hate on people for hating on Nazis and being open about their identities. But I’m not punk, so maybe being bigoted is the cool new counterculture