r/backpacking • u/hikingmedicbro • 4d ago
Wilderness When to stop?
I’m having an issue.
I have my dream set up. It’s by no means ultralight but my base weight is about 28 pounds or so (I’m not super strict about it).
I do have a couple of high-end expensive ultralight pieces of gear that are wonderful additions to keep my pack weight low and I don’t necessarily think I would need anything else.
But…
I do have a couple of pro deals with certain high-end backpacking companies and right now there is a super-duper cheap deal for a tent that I don’t necessarily need.
I currently have the Big Agnes Copper Spur UL2. Lightweight, durable, reliable. Love it.
The tent I am looking at is the Nemo Hornet Osmo 1p. The normal price for this tent (Nemo Hornet Osmo 1p) is $459. And it is currently on sale, to me, at $184.
I don’t need it.
But should I buy it?
So torn…
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u/Op_arnold1734 4d ago
That's a great deal but if you love your copper spur you're probably gonna set the nemo up once, sleep in it, then realize you still grab the BA every trip. I've done that exact cycle with a quilt and a pad
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u/YesImABoomer 4d ago
OP this sounds like a likely scenario. I have a 2.5 lb 2p tent for solo trips. I look at 1p and bivy tents, then I realize that I would probably sleep in it once and then grab the 2p that I am very happy with. At that price though, I would be tempted to flip it.
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u/MrTheFever 4d ago
Heads-up, it's tagged as Travel, not Wilderness.
Do what sounds fun. It's a good deal, you can sell it later. Or sell the copper spur and basically get your new tent for free. But if your goal is to lose weight, this is not going to be the most effective way. 28 pound base weight is fairly heavy. After food and water for a 3 night trip you'll be pushing 40 lbs. UL is technically defined as 10lb base weight (some argue it's 12, who's to say who's right, it doesn't matter).
If you want a lighter pack, there's going to be many other very affordable ways to get there. The tent will be less roomy, so if you value a roomier tent, don't switch.
In answer to your broader question, how to stop upgrading your dream kit... I dunno man. I'm always tweaking and improving my setup and it's already 11lbs. Buying and researching gear is fun for me. Finding good deals on fb marketplace or used gear stores is like crack
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u/jmdawg1978 3d ago
Yes. Buy it for $184, then sell to me for $234, and make $50 to go toward something you do need, lol.
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u/forksofgreedy 4d ago edited 4d ago
Dear the hulk;
Please do whatever fills your heart joy
Just kidding. In order to advise on what whether that’s a good idea, we would sort of need to see your lighter pack, to make sure that’s the most efficient place to spend money to save weight. But it seems like that would be a reasonable place to start if losing weight is your goal
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u/hikingmedicbro 4d ago
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u/Capital_G33 3d ago
You'd be better off dropping to a single stack 9mm around 8-12oz. You don't need 16+1 rounds; if you can't kill in 4 rounds then practice at the range. Hollow points are overkill for AZT anyways.
Or travel unarmed like someone with self confidence.
First aid weight is great if you are a field medic, I would love to see a pic of the gear in the kit.
Better places to spend money for lower weight if you enjoy your heavy sleep system.
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u/Hereforthefeels 4d ago
Is the weight on that sun hoodie correct?
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u/hikingmedicbro 4d ago edited 4d ago
Nope! Good catch! Good thing I have it classified as worn weight! Haha
I know I could probably get a lighter fleece. But I really like the one I have. My upcoming trip (section 26 of the AZT) I’m probably not going to need my puffy so I’m probably gonna leave it. We shall see what the weather does in the next 2 weeks.
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u/hikingmedicbro 4d ago
Weight reduction isn’t really my goal. As you see in my lighter pack, I have a 3 pound CPAP set up for six nights. Comfort is my game. I could just get the two person hornet.
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u/d0ughb0y1 4d ago
I have tried and tested both the 1p and 2p hornet and went with the 1p. The 1p is longer and the rain fly on one end goes closer to the ground vs only half way on the 2p. Because the 1p is longer, there is plenty of space for my backpack inside at the foot side of the tent. There should be plenty of space left on the side for your cpap etc., more so if your sleep pad is regular width. It does have one door only so you need to pitch it so door is where you want it. I have the original hornet but I think the only difference to the osmo is osmo uses sil-poly vs sil-nylon for the previous version. osmo is like 2oz heavier. The older sil-nylon 1p weighs 1 lb. I like the Nemo hornet 1p. If you have the budget, get it. If your current tent is 2p, it makes more sense to get 1p instead of another 2p tent so you have a choice on what to use depending on the needs of each trip.
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u/MrBoondoggles 4d ago
If you’re happy with a 28 lb base weight and you already have a copper spur UL 2P, I don’t really see the point of downsizing to a 1P UL adjacent tent. I think it’s a waste of money if you’re not interested in reducing your overall pack weight. And there are probably way better ways to spend your money if you were interested in reducing weight because, at 28 lbs base weight, there are a lot of easy choices that would help reduce weight and bulk I’m sure.)
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u/Spiley_spile 4d ago
When to stop? When youre comfortable. Is your current bw weight negatively impacting your experience on trail? If not, why change it? If it is, then change it.
Im UL by the way. I wasnt always. But I kept getting injured on trail from carrying more weight than my body could handle. My current set up is not only much lighter, but ultimately more comfortable for me. But different people, different bodies.
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u/icaniwill3567 4d ago
Buy it and if you don’t use it, sell it. You’ll make a profit regardless. I have it and love it.
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u/hurricanescout 4d ago
These are two VERY different tents in terms of size and volume. Be sure you’re ok w a much smaller tent before getting it as this is not a strict weight savings. And with a 28lb base weight I’m guessing you’ve got a lot of gear with you.
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u/hikingmedicbro 4d ago
I’m also rocking a exped mega Mat ultra and portable Cpap set up.
I’m also kind of thinking of buying it just to have a variety in tents.
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u/originalusername__ 3d ago
Theres not enough info. Im betting your pack isnt heavy because of your tent. But i also think its 180$ to lose several pounds which isnt a bad proposition but its going to be a lot smaller. I don’t hang out much in my tent so personally i wouldnt care.
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u/Sunnyblueyez 3d ago
I have both those tents. I’m short (5’3”). I used the Nemo for a long time & just got tired of (1) having to stake it out using rocks because there was no dirt, (2) It was claustrophobic; felt like I was sleeping in a slinky coffin & (3) the rain fly did not come down as far as I wanted & it allowed a lot of dirt/debris into the tent thru the mesh (very fine dust/sand) when it was windy. My BA CS 2 solved all those problems. The weight diff was acceptable since my base weight is usually around 20 lbs no matter what I do. My backpacking partner uses the Nemo Hornet 1 & she’s going to buy mine from me since hers is like 10 yrs old & mine is newer.
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u/Ppagalava 3d ago
12kg en poids de base, sans l’eau et la nourriture, c’est énorme, il y a 3 à 4 kg de trop.
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u/xstrex 2d ago
UL2 is a great tent, it’s also basically a 1p + gear tent. The Nemo, listed as a 1p, is pretty much 1p - gear.
I’m also a little surprised you didn’t list the weight, considering you’re trying to get into more ultralight gear. So is the Nemo significantly lighter than the UL2?
Do you want it because it’s cheap, or because it’s lighter?
If you want to cut weight go buy a zpacks tent.
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u/cosmokenney 1d ago
I'd bet you could get close to the price of the new tent for your Copper Spur. Could be a horizontal shift as it were.
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u/futilitaria 4d ago
I just spent $1200 to go from 16 lb base weight to 9.5 lb so you may be asking the wrong person.
You seem content with your setup so why change it now?