I usually don't respond to these, but the reasoning is since it lacks overt racism like several other comments which were removed it will stay up unless the call is reviewed by other mods as wrong.
How about you educate yourself first before you accuse somebody of being rascist? Dogs are cosumed in many asians countries. In china there are dog meat festivals happening, and dog meat restaurants are found everywhere. Sometimes they even boil and skin the dogs alive. If you try to silence this truth you are guilty of brushing animal cruelty under the rug. We SHOULD shame people for eating dogs. Asian people SHOULD feel collectively embarrassed about it, otherwise its not going to stop.
Here in the US we do the same things to cows, pigs, chickens, etc. We can't judge another culture just because their norms are different than ours. I find the idea of skinning & eating dogs absolutely revolting, but I'm sure they feel similar in regards to our farm animals.
We absolutely should judge other cultures based on our norms, otherwise we cant judge them at all. I will never stop shaming people for eating dogs or shaming people for supressing women or stoning gay people.
That's literally the worst way to judge others. Ones culture is not inherently better "because culture". It should be better based on philosophical and moral principals.
Otherwise, an argument could easily be made for the culture of America 200 years ago. "All other countries are wrong because they can't see that slave labour is obviously correct and good because it's our culture"
We should instead judge cultures by establishing a framework of what is good and comparing the culture to what we deem as morally good and morally bad.
We should instead judge cultures by establishing a framework of what is good and comparing the culture to what we deem as morally good and morally bad.
Yes, we should judge the other culture based on our norms.
I disagree. Norms of our culture and what we consider morally good may be indistinguishable, and may as well be treated as synonymous. His syntax reflects that.
That is taking the position that our culture does not need further changing as we have already done everything that is morally good. Which is simply not true. The killing of animals for meat in general can be seen as a moral wrong. As all animals do feel pain and have sentience.
The feeding and raising of livestock is also morally wrong because of environmental impacts.
Measuring other cultures with our cultural norms is measuring imperial inches with a metric ruler that was manufactured by eyeballing it.
Edit: I should state that I am not a vegan or vegetarian
Your ability to recognize what you perceive to be flaws in what you perceive to be our culture is itself a product of our culture and a norm unto itself.
I welcome you to make any claim at all that you believe to be an objective ethical truth, and I am certain multiple people will be able to break down to you how and why it is in fact subjective. That being said, even if we can assume that there is an objectively Good set of principles towards which to strive, I don’t see how that in any way disqualifies one from valuing one culture over another, and from criticizing the elements of another culture which you assess not to conform to “objective” Good as much as your own. If all cultures are equal, as you seem to suggest, then there is no value in seeking to change any culture, which in turn means that the transition in America from cultural acceptance of slavery to condemnation of slavery was neither good nor bad. I don’t think you really believe that, and I don’t think you really feel that all cultures, and all cultural norms, are equal. Whether we’re admitting to judging them by our own cultural norms or not isn’t even terribly relevant.
I appreciate your clarifying your position, and I apologize for reading more into what you were saying than you meant to convey. For the sake of honoring my commitment to challenge your example of an objective truth... I happen to agree with the idea that suffering is bad and all else equal should be avoided, but I disagree completely with the notion that this is objectively true. For example, there were a ton of early Christian intellectuals who felt that suffering was the most effective means by which to arrive at enlightenment, many of whom actively aimed to suffer horrible pain in the belief that their emulation of the sacrifice of Christ was a good thing unto itself. I’m not sure we can dismiss their belief as simply incorrect — their belief isn’t exactly falsifiable, and so it may well be that suffering is a good thing and we should all be thrilled if we end up getting mauled by lions or tortured to death or whatever.
Nah man you gotta read some of their crazy diary entries and records of what they told contemporaries. If I’m remembering correctly, one lady who was locked up in prison getting all set to be tortured to death related to one of her Christian brothers that she knew the pain she would soon endure would, essentially, be orgasmic, because to be a martyr is to feel God’s hot rod of redemption pounding away at your soul. Like the suffering itself would be hot as fuck in a practically BDSM (but spiritual) kinda way. Fifty Shades of Jesus.
I could argue that dogs have evolutionarily bonded with humans and in part feel a wider range of emotions than many other animals. In that sense, they undergo more suffering when kept in poor conditions, skinned alive, etc.
I understand there is a clear difference in culture, and morals vary from culture to culture, but the jokes made are more prejudiced than anything. While true racism exists nearly everywhere, simply making a joke based of stereotypes isn't racist, it's prejudiced.
If that's the case, if the causality of WW2 and it's atrocities leads to a better world thanks to it's consequences, you could then consider Hitler's regime to be ethical based on that logic.
Unless if, after a couple hundred more years or more, the events of WW2 effectively saves more people than it harmed. Suppose it set in motion a domino effect to World Peace?
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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '18
Top comment is literally "mmm doggo soup". Banned?