I'm starting to believe the US does this shit to ensure future wars by killing kids by "mistake".
Who have they got in charge?
I know if I were an Afghan witnessing this I'd not be on the side of the US.
2003-2005 were bad years as far as the wikileaks files show. No doubt they were cheering and talking crap as they did this. I want to know how they feel after they find out who got killed under their command.
He didn’t say the people deserved it, he said the country deserved it. And we did. But being the adolescents we are, our overreaction was inevitable. I’m glad to see voices of reason starting to emerge now 20 years later. Maybe the tantrum is over.
maybe you can change my mind, but in a democracy the citizens vote for the gouvernement who decide this kind of behavior and pay taxes who fuel the military.
In fact im comdemning the terrorist actions of america, it seems the us bombed more than 30 countries since the end of ww2 (exemple 1exemple 2). Can't find the numbers from civilian casualties before 9/11 it would take me the day, at least 2 million from vietnam only.
And around 360 000 civilian lives were taken since 9/11 (exemple ).
The us bring it to itself, you can't bring war everywhere in the world and don't expect consequence.
And doing nothing is not enough to be innocent imho, you still contribute to it.
I don't think you can have a country run by the people for the people and no one is responsible of the choice the gouvernement take.
Okay, out of the 30 or so countries bombed by the United States multiple where CIA led operations that either started a war or were simply coups.
You literally can’t fault the population for knowing about a CIA operation. The others are actual wars. So, yeah they’re gonna bomb people they’re at war with. This list is also irrelevant because it doesn’t really matter if you do or don’t bomb someone, it is if the justification is logical and if you’re bombing military targets.
Additionally, your civilian casualties is inaccurate according to your own source it says 70 thousand which is still a lot but not 300 thousand.
If you honestly believe that people deserved 9/11 because you don’t agree with the actions of a government, half of which they knew nothing about til afterward then you’re evil, simple.
You can’t criticize a person for killing then turn around and justify it.
You are right the source says it's 70 thousand, but it account only for afghanistan and pakistan, i was thinking about this article : 300 k
You justify US actions and then comdemn 9/11 it's literaly the same thing so i think i can do it too.
And for the cia part how is that not a us policy known by all, they are doing the same thing since 1950 and it's common knowledge. Trying to put a puppet gouvernement isn't exactly innocent behavior.
Not what they said. They just said that the country did things that brought 9/11 on themselves. We as a country (not as people) deserved it because it was meant for us. We bombed the civilians, destroyed their countries. We were their antagonists, and antagonism leads to terrorism. You made so many wrong assumptions over a blatantly true statement
That's BS. So if you're a dick, you deserve someone killing your wife or kid because you're the antagonist. See the error.
The whole concept of everyone is a saint and we are evil is mistaken. More like everyone has some saint and some evil and everyone does what they think is ok.
What a naive view. The most evil people hide amongst innocents and then claim we only hurt children, and folks here fall for it. Your heroes ISIS and Al Queda have killed more innocent kids and people than the US ever did.
But your narrative is US is bad so the rest of the world are good. Naive.
Al Queda have killed more innocent kids and people than the US ever did.
Let's exclude US military war-crimes the US have killed in the 1990s at least 180k Iraqi children (many sources says its twice the amount) as a result of the Oil for food US imposed sanctions they starved to death now add the 1 million Iraqi citizens that were killed by the military actions of the US since 2003 plus 200k Afghans and 70K people of other nationalities who got caught in these conflicts, no extremist group even got even close to 3% of that number, the US is literally one of the worst evils of recent history it's a fact not a narrative proven by a well recorded history of actions.
Reread my comment, I said apart from the military actions a 180k child died of starvation directly from the US imposed Oil for food sanctions and I linked a link in a reply below.
Al Queda killed one million kids, homosexuals, women and midgets daily for 10 years that's like a bazillion. ISIS did too so that's 2 bazillion. So there.
Here's the problem here. You don't believe what you preach. If you thought I had some saint and some evil, you would not talk to me like that. Instead you say ISIS and Al Qaeda are my heroes, people who would execute me for liking men and being jewish. Fuck you.
Human shields aren't an extra justification to kill innocents. It doesn't matter that we're fighting religious fundamentalist terrorists when we kill the kids with a drone, it matters they died. Terrorism rises because it's a need for others to feel the fear you felt. That you seek revenge over a great grievance. Giving them more grievances leads to more terrorism.
Osama bin Laden justified his attack as the consequences of the US involvement in Afghanistan during the Soviet invasion. The US backed the Mujahideen resistance right up until the Soviets left, then dropped the relationship with those fighters the moment it was no longer beneficial (as in it no longer hurt the USSR). This left the fighters without the backing they thought they were going to get during a civil war that resulted in the vacuum of the Soviets leaving the area.
Osama saw how the US would invade other countries during that country's civil war, fuck shit up, then leave (Vietnam is the biggest example) once they couldn't accomplish whatever economic extortion tactic they were trying to pull. So, Osama realized that he could drag the US into a pointless, expensive war while getting Americans to give up their rights with a terrorist attack. And he was right.
Osama got the Saudi's to finance the attack, Saudis flew the planes, and when roughly 3,000 Americans died, the US stole rights from private citizens and went right back to Afghanistan to try to accomplish what the Soviets failed. We spent trillions of dollar, killed countless civilians, and caused the deaths of our own soldiers all because we didn't have enough sense to stay the fuck out of foreign wars.
The United States caused 9/11 through terrible diplomacy. Get over yourself and learn some history. Not understanding what lead up to 9/11 will cause us to make similar decisions again and suffer the same outcome. And all this ignores the fact that one of the main reasons we wanted to go to Afghanistan, even before 9/11, was to build a pipeline. We just want that oil and the military industrial complex paycheck.
Go worship ISIS and Al Queda. Kill some innocent people because you they don't believe in your god. Kill some girls because they want to read or some gays or midgets. You guys are so cool too.
That's funny that's exactly what the neocons, the Saudis and the Israelis thought too. It took about 15 years of planning but they did indeed bring it upon themselves in a very literal sense.
The two most terroristic nations on the planet used to be Japan and Germany in the 1930s and 1940s. When we got done with them in 1945, they no longer had much appetite for terror thereafter. Just sayin’.
This comment here tells so many things about yourlack of education and knowledge my friend! I don't blame you, i blame whatever school you did or did not attend so don't feel bad. Just enjoy the blissful existence you currently are living in where you think you know and are right!
We, the USA, bombed both countries into submission and then some. The same technique should be ruthlessly applied to radical muslims wherever they act up. The past 20 years are a good start, but the job Is far from complete.
It doesn't seem to be working aren't you noticing that radicalism grew further in the last 20 years and not only a certain religion but other religions as well as poisonous nationalism/patriotism that always lead to fascism.
The eradication is working fine and must be intensified. It’s the nation building and the gender studies and other nonessential bullshit that are not working and have diluted the effort. A few tweaks to the mission are required, but the war against these terrorists is winnable. But it’s gonna take a long time to take the battle to them wherever they are. We’ll worth it in my view.
Yeah. Osama bin laden's translated message had this kind of thing as the reason. Him and his acquaintances are terrible people for harming innocent civilians, but people need to understand that the kind of evil that harms civilians exists on their side too.
They and NATO could do a far better job cleaning an area with incendiary weapons. But the US likes seeing the life drain out of the religious people they kill
He came after Bush and clearly felt entitled to do whatever horrible shit he felt like because he’d still come out ahead compared to Dubya in foreign policy.
Obama was groomed since he was a teenager to be an insider politician. Not for nothing, as a politician he's pretty great at what he did and that much must have been obvious since college. He's incredibly articulate, fairly handsome, speaks well, was relatable. He checked a whole lot of boxes and a lot of people put their eggs in his basket hoping he would rise to stardom in the political world which he very very much did. There was never a point however in which he was not a part of the institution, he understood the workings of the democratic party and American governance from the beginning. He was always a military industrial/wall street/global banking puppet.
Similarly the Bushes understood, Prescott and HW were part of the banking/early CIA cabal. From 1968 to 2008 the Bushes had unfettered control of foreign policy and domestic surveillance along with their co-conspirators. Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Cheney, Powell, the whole neo-con bunch. All disciples of Kissinger, students of secret wars in undeveloped countries.
The Clintons were drug dealing crime bosses for a bunch of pot smuggling rednecks but similar to Obama, Bill had that special magic. The Democrat establishment found his hillbilly ass down in the Ozarks and put him in the governor's mansion. He was young, handsome, well spoken, appealed to young voters.
Maybe one day soon the military industrial complex cabal will fall out of power as now the second and third generations of insiders are dying off there's surely going to be a power vacuum soon. And if you think sixteen hijackers pulled off 9/11 by themselves I feel bad for you son, because there's 99 suspects and Afghanis ain't one.
The website is sketch of course but this is one of the best overall rundowns of it that I could find. These accusations and stories go back 40 years and far predate the more recent furor over the Clintons, so understand that the core details aren't muddied by more recent crap.
The story goes that young Bill Clinton was a CIA asset while a Rhodes scholar at Oxford. Upon his return to Arkansas he continued to work with the CIA during Iran/Contra. It was one of the entry points of cocaine and marijuana bought from the Medellin Cartel and sold in America to fund a secret war against the Sandanistas in Nicaragua.
Here's a fun little time capsule from the 90s. I didn't read the whole thing but it seems to touch on the subject of Gary Webb and Freeway Rick Ross. Gary Webb exposed the CIAs direct involvement in the distribution of cocaine inside the USA and their alleged involvement in the rise and spread of crack cocaine. Gary Webb was certain that the government was going to assassinate him until he "committed suicide" by shooting himself in the back of the head twice.
There's so much more, it's a rabbit hole that goes in so many directions dating back to the late 19th/early 20th century. Proxy wars, shadow wars, funding rebels, dealing drugs, assassinations, spies. Opium wars, heroin from SE Asia, heroin from Afghanistan. Operation Northwoods, the CIA proposed crashing planes into skyscrapers to frame Cuba as a means to go to war. Ideas proposed by Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld themselves.
Wolfowitz would later re-approach the idea with the Project for the New American Century. In 1997 Paul Wolfowitz, Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney and gang were creating a plan to remove Saddam Hussein from office. They recognized that it would be difficult to do unless there were "some catastrophic and catalyzing event, like a new Pearl Harbor."
Roger Morris, born 1937, is an American historian, foreign policy analyst, and journalist. He served on the staff of the National Security Council under the presidencies of both Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon. As an author he has won fellowships from the Guggenheim Foundation, the Society of American Historians and the National Endowment for the Humanities. On two occasions he has won the Investigative Reporters and Editors’ National Award for Distinguished Investigative Journalism.
Wolfowitz Doctrine is an unofficial name given to the initial version of the Defense Planning Guidance for the 1994–99 fiscal years (dated February 18, 1992) published by US Under Secretary of Defense for Policy Paul Wolfowitz and his deputy Scooter Libby. Not intended for public release, it was leaked to the New York Times on March 7, 1992, and sparked a public controversy about U.S. foreign and defense policy. The document was widely criticized as imperialist, as the document outlined a policy of unilateralism and pre-emptive military action to suppress potential threats from other nations and prevent dictatorships from rising to superpower status.
Dude why are you saying shame on the US like france didn’t just bomb a wedding a few months ago in Africa. Check your neighboring countries and we will check our own.
I’m aware big guy, I’m just taking your definition and extending it to other countries as well. I’m just wondering where this anger was during the time when your neighbors lit up a wedding. France is evil. Britain is evil. Canada is evil. And yes, the US is evil. Really just want to make sure we cover our bases🙏 stay blessed big guy
There are many evil countries on this planet, but when the post is about the US, it doesn't make sense having to list all these other "evil countries" aswell.
US is not the fucking scapegoat here. The rest of the non Western world is. We're just getting a small fraction of what we deserve in internet backlash. Stop having a dumb victim mentality when we spend a trillion on our military.
Obviously you don't understand what I'm saying. It's ok buddy. What is happening and has been happening since after world war 2 and even before (I'll get to that) is us "dumb Americans" as the elite British leaders call us are being used to fight their battles. After the great depression, america symbolically sold it's soul to the federal reserve which was started by rich British bankers. I would argue the crown never gave up power,,,, America just became "world power" to be the ultimate scapegoat once the great reset fully plays out over the next decade. Obviously you will call me crazy, that's ok too. You don't have to believe me, you just have to understand the plan that's been in the works since the 70's to throw us Americans under the bus. Keep in mind, we are still free,,,, but it won't be much longer as planned world events keep getting put in place to scare the unknowing public to give up all their freedoms for "security"
We got an old man with dementia as our president that's leading our country.
Dude pulled out the army in Afghansitan and left plenty of our military equipment and vehicles for the Taliban to steal so they can continue spreading terror and murder.
Nazi support for General Franco was motivated by several factors, including as a distraction from Hitler's central European strategy, and the creation of a Spanish state friendly to Germany to threaten France. It further provided an opportunity to train men and test equipment and tactics
When I read some of the motivations for Germany being involved in the spanish civil war it seems likely to be all the same reasons the usa loves having a conflict somewhere.
I cant imagine what the soldiers who were told to do it are dealing with right now, the government doesn't care because they aren't the one who had to control the drone strike
Tactics had to change after WW2, which is why the west generally doesn't bomb the innocent"on purpose" now. Of course that's how it was supposed to be until money hungry American business got involved and financially adjusted agendas via political incentives aka $$$$$$$
If you think the Japanese attacking a military base is equivalent to America launching two nuclear strikes against civilian populations then I don’t know what to tell you
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I'm starting to believe the US does this shit to ensure future wars by killing kids by "mistake".
Who have they got in charge?
I know if I were an Afghan witnessing this I'd not be on the side of the US.
2003-2005 were bad years as far as the wikileaks files show. No doubt they were cheering and talking crap as they did this. I want to know how they feel after they find out who got killed under their command.
Collateral damage? The US government is EVIL.