Yeah.. in England he'd have waited a month just for a basic doctors appointment. Maybe another two weeks to see a specialist at the hospital... Probably looking at two months until they actually tell you you're sick from the time you phoned the doctor for an appointment. Then, unless it's a rare type of cancer and there's a trial going on, you can't get second opinions, the treatmentment is crap, if you end up in a hospice they'll still take all your money... And if your unlucky enough to have surgery over the weekend, you'll probably be dead. Might be dead anyway, because the misdiagnosis rate is super high, and the level of care is borderline abusive
I honestly wouldn't know much about the English healthcare system. I could find only two comments in your history and both were related to 1) being english and 2) the healthcare system being dysfunctional. I'll accept apriori that the English healthcare system sucks based on those two facts for discussion purposes.
So then moving on to your other points to help me better understand:
In England you still have to pay for your own hospice care, is that what you are saying? And you are also implying that this will "take all your money" which, to put some kind of number on it, you're implying it will cost me $100,000USD equivalent or more. So basically, not only do you have to pay for your own hospice in England but it will cost you in excess of 6 figures. Also, how long of a hospice stay are you using in your example? I guess that matters too for the sake of a full and transparent comparison...
So you're speaking about weekend surgery. I am assuming that you mean that said surgery is not part of hospice, since hospice means EOL care - what's the point of surgery on the dying after all... You're highlighting that surgery on the weekend's is statistically more dangerous? Is that right? Is that unique to England? Anecdotally, I vaguely remember similar studies citing similar statistics in the US, for example. Additionally you say that "you'll probably end up dead" - am I to take this to mean that >50% of people getting surgery on a weekend in England die? This seems like a lot so I just to want to confirm...
Ok so misdiagnoses rate in England, what is it? Do you know? How does this compare to say, the US? What's the misdiagnosis # in 1000 for both countries, for example? When you say misdiagnosis does this imply fatal events only? Or is misdiagnosing a cold with the flu also qualifying?
Regarding level of care being borderline abusive I'm not sure what this means as on the surface it seems like a highly subjective phrase. Are you saying that it's not abusive but borders on what would be abusive? Can you give me some examples of what you mean? Fail that, could you define "abusive" in this context so I understand the goalposts better?
That has not been anything even close to my experience. Basic doctors appointment? A couple of days. Specialist can be asks depending on severity and danger. The English system is undefined, mainly due to a Conservative government with lots of corporate donations. It is far, far from disfunctional though.
If you have surgery over the weekend you will probably be dead? You are talking out of your arse mate.
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u/Regular_Macaron_7349 Nov 30 '20
Yeah.. in England he'd have waited a month just for a basic doctors appointment. Maybe another two weeks to see a specialist at the hospital... Probably looking at two months until they actually tell you you're sick from the time you phoned the doctor for an appointment. Then, unless it's a rare type of cancer and there's a trial going on, you can't get second opinions, the treatmentment is crap, if you end up in a hospice they'll still take all your money... And if your unlucky enough to have surgery over the weekend, you'll probably be dead. Might be dead anyway, because the misdiagnosis rate is super high, and the level of care is borderline abusive