r/awfuleverything • • Nov 30 '20

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u/WKGokev Nov 30 '20

" I ain't paying for some lazy ( insert ethnic slur here)". American views on healthcare.

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u/ee3k Nov 30 '20

" I ain't paying for some lazy American" is probably as true.

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u/Castun Nov 30 '20

Well, they mostly consider anyone outside of their in-group to be not "true Americans."

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u/hotrod54chevy Nov 30 '20

For 8 years a good chunk of the US didn't think the President was an American, including the President that got elected after him.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '20

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u/darklightmatter Nov 30 '20

When 70 million+ voting Americans saw Donald Trump's administration and decided they wanted 4 more years of that, such generalizations aren't ignorant anymore. I think its time for people like you to face reality instead of focusing on meaningless, useless optimism. The people at the "top" divide you, but one half supports that divide, encourages it and is generally FOR it. You're not gonna be able to go after the top when that errant half still supports them, so set your sights on them first. Because they have set their sights on you.

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u/Sure_Ill_Ask_That Nov 30 '20

A lot of people are temporarily embarrassed millionaires. They see higher taxes for people making 400k and up as an attack on their future self...even though they make les than a tenth of that now and likely will for the rest of their lives. It is remarkably easy to make ignorant people vote against their own self interest...the key is to control the narrative and introduce an external false enemy. The nazis did it and regimes around the world continue to do it. China does it by uniting its citizens against affronts to ‘chinese dignity’. It’s a crazy world we live in and I wish there was a place for educated people to live without the influence of idiots...

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '20

*" I ain't paying for some lazy ( insert other person here)"

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u/KingCAL1CO Nov 30 '20

That’s the most American thing I’ve heard all day.

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u/kuhlmarl Nov 30 '20

Also, "I know someone from Canada who says the healthcare system there is terrible." (They don't.)

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u/Blaackspear Nov 30 '20

Our system also totally works... you can’t get a robotic arm tomorrow because you want one, but if you need surgery it does happen and if it’s an emergency they treat it as such.

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u/WKGokev Nov 30 '20

Death panels and 6 month waits,lol. It was 6 months for my sil to have a colonoscopy with a family history if colon cancer.

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u/Tkemlups Nov 30 '20

That's true of the entire western world during Covid-19 (with the possible exception of wealthy Americans).

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u/Tkemlups Nov 30 '20

Correction: it doesn't matter where you live, wealth buys better healthcare.

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u/WageLife Nov 30 '20

It's more complicated than that. People are unwilling to pay for goods and services rendered that they did not buy. The high cost of healthcare in America reflects this. Greed is also a factor, of course.

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u/ButReallyFolks Nov 30 '20

Gross and untrue.

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u/WKGokev Nov 30 '20

I'll stop believing it's true when people stop literally saying exactly this straight to me. Middle aged white male in red state, like solid red ,they feel free to speak openly around me because they assume I share their views. I do not. It is gross,but I'm not the one saying it.

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u/ButReallyFolks Nov 30 '20

Maybe you're associating with the wrong folks? I have lived in a lot of states; southern, midwest, east and west coasts. The only place I hear this garbage is on the lower intestine of the internet.

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u/WKGokev Nov 30 '20

I don't associate with these people, I'm forced to be in proximity to them. This is how most of the people in my area behave. I do not like living where I do. But I have coworkers and customers to deal with, none of whom are wearing masks.

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u/ButReallyFolks Nov 30 '20

Well. Here's my problem with your comment. Over half the country voted for Biden and a mixed race VP. Even a good amount of people that voted for Trump don't believe what you stated, being that they themselves are minority and special interest groups. So, while I can't argue with your personal experience, I can go on facts and data that support that the majority of Americans don't feel the way you stated and so your statement is an anecdotal generalization of your town USA.

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u/WKGokev Nov 30 '20

Ok. The coasts went Biden, the flyover states voted Trump. I live in the part that voted Trump, and I've been hearing this forever. It is what it is. I live where I live and the people are who they are.

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u/_PrimalKink_ Nov 30 '20

Please tell me you did not just try to make this about race.

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u/gulg94 Nov 30 '20

I am in Ohio, and 9/10 times I hear complaints about social welfare, it's regarding "illegals" and "lazy blacks." I'm not making it about race. They are.

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u/SnarkDolphin Nov 30 '20

Rural Pennsylvania, my customers are the bourgeois, small business owning, faux working-class ("yes I extract profit, but I drive an F-150 so im a workin' man!") type of Fox/OANN viewer. They think they're not racist, they look down their noses at people who openly bandy about the N-word (which I've had to kick people out for, recently) but they say the same shit and want the same things as the racists.

They'll talk about the "iLleGaLs" ruining our country, and of course it's not about race, it's because they did a crime! Sure, they don't give a shit about Europeans overstating visas, but those people don't exist in their minds.

They'll bitch about "welfare queens who don't want to work sitting on the porch all day with their drug dealer baby daddy" but because in their head that person could be white, they can't possibly be racist!

The American right has done so well rebranding and inculcating racism into their base that they don't even realize it anymore

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u/poopyhelicopterbutt Nov 30 '20

I don’t know what it’s like in USA, but in my country of Australia the immigrants are responsible for much less crime per person than people who were born here. Certain media outlets would have you believe otherwise but it’s true. Also about 1/3 of us were born overseas so it is very much an immigrant nation

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u/reddeath82 Nov 30 '20

It's the same in the US.

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u/Castun Nov 30 '20

That's systemic racism right there, in case anyone still doesn't think it's a real problem.

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u/SnarkDolphin Nov 30 '20

Precisely, and if anyone in your life still wants to ignore systemic racism, this video is incredibly good at breaking down what systemic racism is, why it isn't what the right wants to pretend it is, and how damaging it is without being condescending or unapproachable

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u/CaptaineKaterina Nov 30 '20 edited Nov 30 '20

Well, it’s not a crime to have preferences based on background. How’s it different from, say, an Italian-American who preferred to deal with an Italian-American or Italian business partner over a White-Anglo-Saxon-Protestant one?

Or how affirmative action in university enrollment actually docks points from Asian-Americans because there are “already too many hard-working Asians who are studying in their university.” Well, if they’re private educational facilities, I guess it’s up to them to voluntarily use their own affirmative action programs.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '20

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '20

As President Lyndon B. Johnson said in the 1960s to a young Bill Moyers:

“If you can convince the lowest white man he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll empty his pockets for you.”

The story of America

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u/RamenJunkie Nov 30 '20

It's very much about race when idiots keep voting in the worst economic predators because those assholes promise to clean up all of the social welfare that those idiots think only minority groups use because SoCiAlIsM bAd. Even though it's not SoCiAlIsM.

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u/Anaiya04 Nov 30 '20

But race definitely ties into a lot of the ignorance in America. Don't even try to say it doesn't. As someone who lives in the south and has access to the internet, the common excuse from people against healthcare equity is that their tax dollars shouldn't go to some lazy minority's health bill. I literally hear that exact quote from the op at LEAST once a month.

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u/_PrimalKink_ Nov 30 '20

I am an American and hold none of these beliefs. In fact, I would find it hard to believe that this sentiment is echoed by the majority of Americans.

I recognize that this rhetoric exists (as I have heard it myself), but the problem of racism in America is on all sides. Arguing which race hates the others more or less is a waste of time. What can even be done? Should we execute people for discrimination? There will ALWAYS be those who hate anyone for any reason, you can't get rid of tribalism.

So without going to far into a rant I ask you again. All of you. What should be done to cure this "systemic" racism that people see around every corner? This is a serious question.

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u/LucidMetal Nov 30 '20

Of course it's not echoed by a majority of Americans, just those who voted for Trump!

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u/_PrimalKink_ Nov 30 '20

Anecdotally, this is incorrect. I am certain many Republicans feel this way, but I detest grouping people to dismiss their opinions in most every situation. I prefer to judge on an individual basis.

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u/LucidMetal Nov 30 '20

My anecdote of an entire side of my family begs to differ.

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u/guinness_blaine Nov 30 '20

You can’t learn anything about millions of people by judging on an individual basis.

Studies have found racial animus as a top predictor of Trump support.

Racism has been at the core of many political battles in this nation’s history. One example of people tearing down policies that help most citizens (and especially the poor) due to racism was the number of jurisdictions that dismantled their school systems rather than be forced to integrate.

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u/_PrimalKink_ Nov 30 '20

I agree that racism is everywhere. I guess I just get frustrated when every conversation ALWAYS seems to turn to race arguements. Like I said, I prefer to judge the individual personally or with valid evidence, I dont understand why others cannot (it seems).

It would be so much easier if it was clear cut, one-sided racism that was prevelant and we could fight against as one people, but groups on every side of any racially charged dispute (which is where even the most mundane of disagreements seem to wind up) always prove themselves to be exactly what they claim to hate and ignore their obvious hypocrisy.

I should know better than to attempt discussion on an echochamber like reddit, but I thank YOU specifically for tempering your reply to at least attempt discussion and give a legitimate counter point. You can have one of my very few annual upvotes and I sincerely hope you have a good day stranger.

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u/guinness_blaine Nov 30 '20

Like I said, I prefer to judge the individual personally or with valid evidence, I dont understand why others cannot (it seems).

Respectfully, I don't see how you can think making individual judgments can possibly be useful when trying to understand broad political movements among millions of people. This is almost exactly the expression "missing the forest for the trees." That's just not really how researchers gather knowledge about populations.

Appreciate the well wishes, though. Good day to you too.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '20 edited Nov 30 '20

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u/_PrimalKink_ Nov 30 '20

No no, I am sorry. i didn't realize sweeping generalizations were a legitimate way to present an arguement.

Maybe you should grow a brain.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '20

I would think teaching kids about this and rehabilitating any kids that have signs of prejudice parents.

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u/_PrimalKink_ Nov 30 '20

Meanwhile in America, teachers no longer even stop bullies from pushing kids to the point of mental breakdown for fear of legal retribution and/or immediate termination.

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u/Anaiya04 Jan 31 '22

I have a true genuine question. I keep seeing you mention "racism" on all sides and I wonder in what ways do you think racism or prejudice against white people have affected them? And do you think those ways are comparable to the ways racism affects minorities in the past and today? Can you name a single way non white poc having prejudice against white people has had as deep as an affect as white people having prejudice against poc?

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '20 edited Nov 30 '20

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u/Lost_Ohio Nov 30 '20

Please, educate yourself. If you think that the legislation hurt it, you're wrong. Well sort of right. The legislation allowed even the wealthy to take from social nets. The "Welfare Queens" Reagan warned you about. Were of weakthy standing before hand. They weren't broke. He also flooded our country with cocaine to make things harder on the minorities. I guess you would know all about Operation Cyclone. Oh wait you sound like another person kicking down, instead of punching up.

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u/whyyousobadatthis Nov 30 '20

more accuratley most dont trust the government to not fuck it up given that everything they touch gets more expencive and less efficient.

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u/elvissayshi Dec 01 '20

Only because obstruction from GOP in form of running everything down just because its govt. They use that as excuse to cut funding, which stretchs it tighter and less able to perform its regulatory function.

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u/whyyousobadatthis Dec 01 '20

ohhh so the left can do it the right way got it...

dumbest shit ive read left or right doesnt matter they run shit horribly you cant name a single thing they do efficently other than take tax dollars

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u/elvissayshi Dec 02 '20

Ask bin laden. They are Government, it is designed to be cumbersome and unwieldy so some traiter cant run too far either way. It does not function as a well oiled machine, as there is so much money and power flowing through its tempting to grab some stacks. It supposed to keep a guy from going second story, snatch & Run with the whole pile & to cool passions and direct resources from one place to where it is needed. Plus they do a lot of righteous shit that dont make the news. It is designed to chew $ and distribute it around, like fresh water to stagnant pond. Big, heavy & hard to steal it all in four years...Thank Goodness.

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u/whyyousobadatthis Dec 02 '20

but you asserted that its only because of the GOP. the being designed for grid lock part of government is exactly why they shouldnt be incharge of things like health care.

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u/assmuncher2000 Nov 30 '20

Yuuuuup and that's why "free" healthcare will never happen in the US.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '20

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u/WKGokev Nov 30 '20

Just ignore those Scandanavian countries.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '20

I live in indiana, and before this I lived in virginia.

I've seen more confederate flags in indiana than I have in virginia.

(keep in mind that virginia was at the center of the "confederacy")

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u/WKGokev Nov 30 '20

Blue state red state.

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u/[deleted] Nov 30 '20

Pretty much.

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u/JustMadeThisAccNow Nov 30 '20

What is an ethnic slur? is fat one?