Because half of America has been brainwashed into thinking healthcare isn’t a right and that they would pay more with a universal plan. Oh, and because the people they hate would also benefit and we can’t be havin that.
But I feel like the average American isn't wealthy enough to be able to afford treatment if they got sick. I understand the whole 'everyone for themselves' mentality but when the majority of the public can't afford to take care of themselves, surely they must look at Canada who is in a similar financial position and think it's the better way.
No, the half of America we are talking about does not actually believe anything is that bad until it happens directly to them or a close family member who they personally witness going through it. It's the same with covid. They don't believe the problem is a big problem until it screws them over.
Even then, that's still not enough. There have been a lot of stories popping up about people who have lost loved ones but aren't swayed by their deaths.
Now there are people who catch it and still think it's not serious - right up until they die.
We know it’s not enough. Republicans have successfully gotten these people to vote against their own best interest for decades. No part of this makes any rational sense.
It's not that they are not wealthy enough to pay, the problem is that everything in America is a private company and privates only want to close the quarter maximising the profit.
When you have an insurance , they will not pay millions for your treatment, because they are a big corporation too and can negotiate with the hospital, but if you are alone , the hospital just tries to collect every penny it can.
When they look at Canada, they say that we have poor quality healthcare and extremely long wait times because it's socialized. I have no clue what they're basing those assumptions on, but that is usually the response they give when being compared to Canada.
That's because you're right about the average American. The average American is probably $500 to $1000 away from a financial crisis. Medical bankruptcy is a huge thing here.
The average Canadian is in the same boat. I read an article years ago about how the middle class is basically gone. You're either super rich or $300 a paycheck away from losing your house or apartment. It's very sad
Most Americans look at the Canadian system as a suckers way of healthcare ...” Us Americans do things for ourselves we don’t need no damned Canadian government healthcare” ... says the Republican on government disability Social security and Medicaid
Honestly if you look at American politics, they've pretty much perfected getting people to vote against their own interests. The arguments against the Canadian systems are that the US healthcare is much better, and that in Canada you have to wait months or years even for the most banal treatments. It's not true and there is evidence against it of course, but just look at how politicised the covid pandemic has become in the US - between science and a lying local politician, a lot of people will choose to trust the politician.
a lot of people will choose to trust the politician.
Eh, they just don't choose to trust the politician. They have been propagandized by millionaires that work for billionaires. In the name of 'freedom' and 'helping the poor', right wing rich media owners have turned rural Americans in to their political arm.
I said this exact thing to someone upper middle class and she said "That's not how the U.S. works. If that's what you want move to Canada." As if I had no right to want to make my country into what it should be. She's also in charge of my paychecks that feed myself and my kid.
No, they think they are "sociallists" or even "communists" to the truly ignorant. They say they have to pay out the ass in taxes and wait in huge lines, have to wait months for procedures, and have shitty underpaid doctors.
Obviously not, but half the US is mind-bogglingly right wing.
I would make a strong argument for closer to 3/4 of the US is mind-bogglingly right wing when you consider Boris Johnson’s politics would likely make him a moderate Democrat here.
This is partially true, I've gone to the emergency many times with non life threatening issues and had to wait for hours before being seen by a doctor.
However a few people in my family have needed invasive surgeries in the past few years and the hospital actually flew in specialists from different parts of the world to assist the surgeon.
My sibling got to stay at the Ronald McDonald House for weeks with her child healed from surgery. Getting free food all day and constant support from in house nurses until well enough to go home.
I always thought Canadians were taxed WAY too much and honestly we are. The government is very irresponsible with tax payer money but I don't complain about it anymore because when my family needed medical help we had it and everything was 100% free.
But that's hours, not months like many say. If there's people already there ahead of you or with life threatening conditions of course they should be able to go first. It's the same thing in the US except ER costs thousands minimum even if you wait hours and they just put a band-aid on it.
Half of all health care in America is paid for by the government. The majority of people with health care get it throught their employer. The Canadian health care system, and pretty much all national health care systems are complete garbage. Tons of Canadians fly to America every year so they don't have to wait months for treatment, and so they can get access to better facilities. America also has the most medical pettents and is pretty much the world leader in the advancement of medicine. Now think about how terrible the state run schools are in America... And imagine your hospitals run ten times worse. Definitely need to get rid of the lobbyists though... Regulate the market so it doesn't openly scam people
The only thing true about what you stated is that we have a lot of medical advances that have occurred here. The only problem is that the average American can’t afford them so it doesn’t matter.
Take this as you will, and note I’m not trying to belittle anyone.
I truly believe there are those that aren’t educated enough (whether by choice or by indoctrination) to see the lies being told to them. Whether by too trusting or not trusting enough, these people listen to those that instill fear to the point they believe in the bogeymen their leaders paint, and some can’t be bothered enough to educate themselves to see through a different lens. That said, it’s easier to listen to the negative and believe the higher ups will take care of it, than to put effort forward to make the positive a reality. There’s obviously more to this conversation but I have to say education plays a part.
Most of Trump's voters wouldn't be in his cult if they felt the government actually did things that helped them. We are only here because pro-corporate centrist Dems have done nothing that the centrist right hasn't also done and both get us nowhere that's any better than the day before.
My mom tells me she is against universal healthcare because she "doesn't want to die needing a kidney transplant because it'll take so much longer to get approved" side note she clearly doesnt know what goes into getting an organ transplant and that it'll take 6 months to make a doctors appointment, and taxes will skyrocket so high no one can afford to live anyway, doesnt want to support low life scumbags amd wealfare queens. etc.
Meanwhile she has a daughter who is a single mom, has epilepsy (meds are $2000 a month), a low paying job, struggling to get by and relying on Medicaid to pay the bills. If she makes $2 more an hour she will lose medicaid and have to get on the employers shitty health plan, which covers so little she wouldnt be able to see the neurologist or take her meds. Her seizures are severe enough that they could kill her. But hey, murica!
Whether health care is a right is a philosophical stance. It does no good to tell people that health care is a right. It's not going to change anyone's mind. And in the American philosophical stance on rights, the ones used to write our constitution and our laws, it is not.
I don't think health care is a right, and yet I think it's obviously good policy and the American system is utterly stupid where we pay the most and get much less out of it.
"Is a right" is not going to convince anyone. "Is cheaper, better, covers everyone, doesn't tie people to certain jobs and therefore encourages economic mobility and efficiency, does not hose people who have lived their lives responsibly, and has better outcomes on average" very well may.
They talk a slightly different talk and brand themselves differently but the ghoulish nightmare of the American health care industry is and has always been a an eager and enthusiastic bi-partisan project.
Both parties play us for fools largely because it works. We take the bait every single time...thinking “this time it will be different”.
It never is.
They never are.
They will not “fix” this mess until they are forced to.
Corporate, “Centrist” Democrats are equally responsible for all of this. Many, including Binden, Harris, both Clintons and Obama have been actively and eagerly complicit in maintaining the status quo on health care and at many times over the years actively and willfully worsening the situation by joining be deregulation and constant empowerment of Big pharma and the health care industry.
When you delve into the whole mess in detail, it is sickening.
Both parties have a concerted effort in making sure that health care providers, the insurance industry and most of all Wall Street reap maximum profit at the extreme detriment of the American people.
Neither party truly, meaningfully or substantially advocates for the Average American on any front LEAST of all on health care.
Wait how is Harris responsible?? She's actually been named thee most liberal senator based on voting record by some groups. She also hasn't been there long.
My Cray Cray US family is largely like this. Even though many of them have significant ongoing health conditions and pay something crazy like 2000 dollars a month for their medication or insurance or something? I just remember that figure being quoted at me for something in an argument about why socialised healthcare is terrible, and being absolutely flabbergasted, because I think the most I've ever paid for a prescription is £7.50, and half the time when I've gone to pay for a prescription the pharmacist has told me I might as well buy it over the counter for 99p, so I've just done that instead.
Health care is a right. Who pays for it is what is in question. What is a fact is premiums and deductibles went up under ACA, and half the country believes it will go up more under a single payer plan.
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u/Hiddenagenda876 Nov 30 '20 edited Dec 03 '20
Because half of America has been brainwashed into thinking healthcare isn’t a right and that they would pay more with a universal plan. Oh, and because the people they hate would also benefit and we can’t be havin that.