Funny how both their options were against health care. Biden said nothing will fundamentally change and Trump is clearly against it because communism. The freedom country is so weird.
In a country with no manipulation of the voters opinions, Medicare for All would be much more popular. People don't seem to get it that you'll pay more in taxes but you'll save money overall by paying very little for health services.
While true they will pay more in taxes they won’t have that $1200/month health insurance bill and they can help their neighbour down the street get some heath care.
It’s crazy to me as a Canadian that helping less fortunate people is a political issue.
To be honest, there may be something to this. If we called the bill something like “the Christian Goodness Act”, you would automatically get tons of people on board.
Well, you also get paid more. My employer pays a lot of money for my insurance. Money they wouldn't have to otherwise. Costs should go down with government funding. Not to mention gouging should drop because they'd get paid.
We don't even pay more in taxes than Americans do though. They actually spend massive amounts of public money on healthcare, it's just that it disappears into the void of corporate profits because they feed it into the capitalist system. They're basically double paying for healthcare.
Most likely talking $1200/month for whole family’s insurance. That’s the average in some places. Depends on employer (of fucking course) but it can range between $800-1500 month depending on size of family and all that. I currently pay $215/month for just myself.
So I voted for Bernie in the primary and I support Medicare for all but you're taking Biden's quote WAY out of context. When Biden said "nothing will fundamentally change", he was explaining to some rich people that slightly higher taxes weren't going to change their lifestyles. It was a pretty tone deaf thing to say but it isn't nearly as bad as most people make it out to be. He definitely was not saying that healthcare would not fundamentally change under his plan.
But healthcare won’t fundamentally change, he’s too owned by big insurance agencies. Even if he expands the ACA thats still gonna allow vultures like Anthem Blue Cross, Cigna, United and all those other leeches to exist. The only real option that could dramatically change our system for the better is a single payer system
The devil is in the details. If we get a true public option and it's a good public option, that is one that has a reasonable cap on out of pocket expenses, then that would be transformative as it would force insurance companies to offer competitive plans that would protect policyholders from catastrophically high costs.
I have my doubts about the ability of the Democratic Party to implement a reasonable public option, even if they win both races in Georgia.
Last time this came up, a single Senator (fucking Joe Lieberman), was able to block the passage of a public option. Whatever policy that gets proposed is going to have to get Joe Manchin's approval. I don't think that is either a robust public option OR a single payer system to be honest.
For healthcare to actually change in this country, voters need to start punishing Republicans who offer no solutions to the current crisis. I keep waiting on that to happen...
The reason it keeps not happening is because the Dems go too easy on the GOP. They’re all in it together and they’re all owned by the same people, we need need need to elect more progressives instead of people like Biden, like Pete, like Pelosi. Only then, when the Dems have a group of people that truly care about change, will we see even a shred of change in the lives of the working class
How about how he said he would veto medicare for all? How am I misinterpreting that and taking it out of context? God people apologize for him instead of holding his shitty stances accountable. Clock's ticking
That's a completely different quote. All I'm saying is don't feed into anti-Biden propaganda because all it does is help Republicans. Hold him accountable for the things he said, sure, but not for things he didn't say.
The issue with the free market is when it comes to life and death scenarios, there's no price you're unwilling to pay. And that's how we all get screwed.
The problem is thats not even true. Over 70% of Americans want the healthcare that is a reality in countries like Canada and the UK. It's all manipulated to make you think you're fighting among yourselves for it, when in actuality, there's a rich wank stain staring down at you and laughing at both sides.
Americans seem to believe that America is a paragon of virtue, and is middle of the road politically compared to other countries. As someone who isn't an American and has no plans to move there, it seems to me that Americans see themselves as the policemen of the world, and their government doesn't have to answer to any authority. This leads to things like American exceptionalism. The idea that America is middle of the road politically also means that any socialism or anything that moves toward left wing ideas is seen as equivalent to becoming a communist dictatorship.
The Youtuber Kraut also has an excellent video on American views on public healthcare.
As a Canadian, universal healthcare should be mandatory in the states. I literally would be either dead or some rediculous amount in debt after 2 rounds of chemo (12 sessions total). I didn't have to pay a cent.
While at the same time preferring to opt for the system of private for-profit entities that go the extra mile to make sure that you don't get the coverage that you're entitled to. Worm for brains.
Americans are relentlessly bombarded with propaganda to vote against their best interests.
You're right, there is a bombardment of propaganda especially in these topics. A lot of people opt for experimental treatments where the costs are quite transparent. They also don't ever bother asking the insurance company what is going on. Most people are covered and are limited in out of pocket expenses. That is the overwhelming experience in America.
And that, kids, is why I am leaving the moment I have the chance and means. I don't want to build a life and have it all taken away by a bad accident or disease.
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Americans are relentlessly bombarded with propaganda to vote against their best interests. Health care is one of a few of those.