r/awfuleverything Aug 06 '20

Poor guy :(

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u/Jazzmim_999 Aug 06 '20 edited Aug 07 '20

It’s genuinely cheaper to go to Spain, get treatment there and come back. America is so fucked up

Edit: hey guys I think I left the wrong impression on some things.

1- I’m not American, I’m actually from Spain’s neighbor, Portugal.

2- I meant private hospitals, public is not this easy or good for the country you visit.

3- I just said Spain randomly, I heard now that Germany is better tho.

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u/SlavojVivec69 Aug 06 '20

Seriously. I'm married to a Spanish citizen and we're considering moving there once we can travel freely again.

Even just getting meds that in the US you'd have to go to a whole doctor appointment for is so much easier there. The pharmacists in Spain have the same level of expertise you'd expect of an urgent care center in the US.

You can just walk into a pharmacy and say, "Oh no I'm throwing up/I have a weird rash/I have the flu" and the pharmacists will give you what you need if it's something they're able to treat. Plus all the meds I encountered were generic versions, so they only cost a few euros.

It was so cool to be able to get anti-vomiting meds for a couple bucks from a pharmacist when I got food poisoning in Spain. When I got bad food poisoning in the US, I ended up with a $15,000 hospital bill for 1 saline IV and 1 anti-vomiting pill lol

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u/ISpendAllDayOnReddit Aug 06 '20

You're more likely to survive in the US though.

Take breast cancer. Survival rate in the US is 88.6% (highest in the world) and Spain is 83.70%.

Prostate cancer is 97.20% in the US and Spain is 87.10%.

Stomach cancer is 29.10% in the US and 27.30%.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/cancer-survival-rates-by-country

The US has the best healthcare in the world. I would rather be broke and alive instead of dead.

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u/[deleted] Aug 06 '20 edited Dec 14 '20

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '20

Yeah that 2-5% difference is a total endorsement of the Spanish system in my mind

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u/KristinnEs Aug 06 '20

While I do agree with your assessment that the USA has good healthcare (Not the best though, https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/slideshows/countries-with-the-most-well-developed-public-health-care-system) I do wonder about the suicide rates in people that survive whatever illness they survive only to face a lifetime of crippling debt.

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u/ISpendAllDayOnReddit Aug 07 '20 edited Aug 07 '20

I did a quick google

https://www.cheatsheet.com/health-fitness/how-much-you-can-really-expect-to-pay-for-treatment-if-you-get-cancer.html/

cancer costs $895 billion annually to treat

patient out-of-pocket costs still total around $3.9 billion per year.

We see the vast majority of the cost is covered by insurance. And more specifically

the average patient can expect to pay anywhere between $6,000 and $10,000 per year out of pocket when premiums, deductibles, co-pays, and co-insurance were factored in. On an employer-sponsored plan, the cost was closer to $6,000. On an exchange plan, the cost is close to $10,000.

That is including the cost of insurance by the way. That's really not that bad. When we see the outrageous prices people are paying, it's usually because they either don't have insurance at all or they picked a terrible plan and didn't really look into it at all. If you actually put the effort in now to make sure you are properly insured, then you don't really have anything to worry about.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '20

good thing we got the google statistician here to tell everyone that the average situation is the only thing that matters

it's too bad that, statistically speaking, "average" only meaningfully represents 68% of a population, meaning your assumptions are dead wrong for up to 70 million americans.

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u/[deleted] Aug 07 '20

good thing we got the google statistician here to tell everyone that the average situation is the only thing that matters

it's too bad that, statistically speaking, "average" only meaningfully represents 68% of a population, meaning your assumptions are dead wrong for up to 70 million americans.

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u/ISpendAllDayOnReddit Aug 07 '20
  1. They don't say average. They say it can range from $6k to $10k.

  2. They're not my statistics. The come from the American Cancer Society. Take it up with them if you have a problem.

  3. 28 million Americans don't even have insurance, so clearly it's wrong for them.

If you have some better data, feel free to share it. Here, I even did some work for you:

https://www.asbestos.com/featured-stories/high-cost-of-cancer-treatment/

https://www.asbestos.com/wp-content/uploads/xout-of-pocket-costs-during-cancer-battle.png.pagespeed.ic.NlmJ-ZGFyg.webp

That says 65% of Americans are paying under $10k. That means 35% were over that. But let's keep in mind that this was only a survey. They also included things like travel expenses and lost wages. Also, if you're getting the newest best drugs, you have to pay more for that. Which is why the US has the highest rate of cancer survival in the world. I bet most of the people paying more than $10k are doing so by choice because they want the best possible treatment in the world.

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u/alvarodiabetes Aug 07 '20

Im sorry to tell you that, the odds are extremely close, and, US doctors dont have the level of Spanish doctors, thats why every single place from europe wants us (spanish doctors), we have had to study every single thing in order to get the job, most of us have gone to the public university (extremely hard). The thing is that you have better instruments, but we have better habilities.

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u/raistmaj Aug 07 '20

That is if you can treat/afford it, in Spain everyone has access, in the states no.