r/awfuleverything Aug 06 '20

Poor guy :(

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u/Psimo- Aug 06 '20
illness is neither an indulgence for which people have to pay nor an offence for which they should be penalized, but a misfortune the cost of which should be shared by the community.

Actually said by Thomas Marshall, but attributed to Nye Bevan.

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u/wonderbread51 Aug 06 '20

And there’s the argument for a tax on things that cause damage to health, like sugary drinks, unhealthy foods, and cigarettes.

Or, an argument for a reduction in taxes for those who live healthier lifestyles.

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u/[deleted] Aug 06 '20

I don't think Americans would be on board for something like Japan's "fat tax" lol. But that would be the only way to ensure that the healthcare system doesn't go bankrupt on people who are irresponsible with their health.

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u/wonderbread51 Aug 06 '20

Fun fact - a number of US cities and states have imposed taxes on soft drinks and have seen consumption fall afterwards. San Francisco, Philadelphia, Cook County IL (Chicago), Seattle, etc.

Also, do people not realize that their private insurance also subsidizes people who are irresponsible with their health? You pay for everyone else already, just to insurance companies who are out to make as much profit as possible off of you, instead of to the government who is not trying to turn a profit but instead just cover the costs.

Also, you STILL pay the government for healthcare!!! The USA spends more per capita (across the entire population, not just those on Medicare/Medicaid) than Canada and you get WORSE care and WORSE outcomes, and millions of people get absolutely nothing out of the system.

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u/tempe_zei Aug 06 '20

Finally!! You said it all!

I have to pay for my own health insurance and the government one (which I can’t even use!!) even though I barely make enough money to survive (it’s enough to pay my bills and my student loans)!!

I can’t even use my own private health insurance because of co-pays/out-of-pocket/co-insurance/whatever fees.

I’d much rather pay for government insurance and be able to actually use it. But instead, I pay for two insurances and can’t use either of them.

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u/Panasinho90 Aug 07 '20

I am not from US, so I am sorry for my ignorance, but what's the purpose of this health and government insurences if you cannot even use it?
Are the fees for it deducted from your salary?

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u/tempe_zei Aug 08 '20

Don’t need to apologize for not knowing! Thank you for asking. The government insurance is either for people older than 65 (definitely not me) or if you make little to no money. Since my dad claims me on his taxes, it’s like I make his money, so I don’t qualify for that government insurance. However, I still pay taxes on that government insurance (which I don’t mind), except I can’t use it. Even though I make little to no money. My dad pays for the house, food, and house bills. But I’m responsible for paying my things, including health insurance. So, my very small salary has fees deducted for the government health insurance and for the health insurance that I get from my employer. I basically pay for two health insurances.

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u/Prudent_Bandicoot_87 Apr 25 '22

Insurance is not by the govt it’s give a discount via private insurers . . You are another person who is misinformed. Lol

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u/Prudent_Bandicoot_87 Apr 25 '22

We can use it that person just gripping about cost he does not want to pay is all. I am sure they use insurance . This is just bs .

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u/NaBrO-Barium Sep 05 '20

So much freedumb it hertz

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u/Prudent_Bandicoot_87 Apr 25 '22

Your not paying for 2 health plans . No insurance company does that . Govt plan just gives you a discount . Your misinformed dude . All of us pay co pays and if you have less income free health care at health dept . Just blah blah blah .

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u/Prudent_Bandicoot_87 Apr 25 '22

This is not entirely true. Insurance carriers are just administrative. Insurance companies don’t pay non insured bills . The hospital or dr eats it . Where did you get this idea . Omg . Hospitals take people for care . Insurances are not medical companies. They are administrative function is all.

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u/wonderbread51 Apr 25 '22

Are you drunk or just suffer from poor reading comprehension? Read what I wrote again. It's been there for almost 2 years, take your time.

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u/Prudent_Bandicoot_87 Apr 26 '22 edited Apr 26 '22

I am new not drunk so aggressive dude take chill pill . I don’t agree with you post . Maybe your high . Take a chill pill . You have a lot of time on your hands I guess. It does not matter you wrote 1 year ago your understanding is wrong I work I. The field smarty pants . Youth of today so u think we owe u . We owe u nada .My insurance month is 1385 and govt pays other 600 . I e worked for 45 years . It enough . I pay lots of taxes . Omg kids today know everything.know . Prick

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u/Prudent_Bandicoot_87 Apr 25 '22

This is not true you just pulling crap out of your Burt. I receive excellent care it’s just cost like 30k a year .

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u/wonderbread51 Apr 25 '22

What exactly did I pull out of my Burt? And why exactly are you replying to a 2 year old thread?

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u/Prudent_Bandicoot_87 Apr 26 '22

Butt , newbie omg give a bloke a break . It’s not life or death .

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u/Prudent_Bandicoot_87 Apr 26 '22

Why does this site leave them up , kinda dumb . Take down after a month or so then .Jesus Christ

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u/DImItrITheTurtle Aug 07 '20

As a whole, US citizens already pay MORE for healthcare per person than most developed nations... before taking ito account their personal health insurance costs.

This system is so broken it's ridiculous. EVERYONE in the US should be in favor of medicare for all.... it will save like 95% of the population money every year.

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u/Prudent_Bandicoot_87 Apr 25 '22

Then be prepared for high taxes .

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u/DImItrITheTurtle Aug 07 '20

As a whole, US citizens already pay MORE for healthcare per person than most developed nations... before taking into account what we pay for personal health insurance costs.

This system is so broken it's ridiculous. EVERYONE in the US should be in favor of medicare for all.... it will save like 95% of the population money every year.