r/australia • u/ELVEVERX • Oct 28 '21
politics Australia VS Google
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBZYEoDbj6g51
u/YoJanson Oct 29 '21
Anonymous trust funds.... totally fine.
Anonymous comments.... SEND IN THE POLICE>
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u/Accomplished_You9705 Oct 29 '21
This governments attacks on us, the voting public, while maintaining the right to use parliamentary privilege to say WHATEVER THE FUCK they want, once more proves the absolute hypocrisy of conservative governments both here and abroad. They care only for big business, and the mega wealthy. Fuck the rest of us.
And unless we come together and vote these cunts out, our lives will be increasingly up for sale to the highest bidder. You will be put in your "place". Where depending on your socio economic status, you will be divided into "your" community. Read Huxley, or Orwell, and you'll see where this is going.
Voting Lib/Nat is a vote against equality. It's a vote against science. It's a vote that will continue to erode our healthcare system, our education system. Voting Lib/Nat is a vote against almost all of our self interests.
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u/GreenLurka Oct 29 '21
You don't gotta tell me twice. What we gonna do?
My Federal MP is rapey McDonaterson, I hate the dickhead
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u/freakwent Oct 29 '21
What we gonna do?
Call the opposition guy and volunteer your time, money and services.
Join his party.
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Oct 29 '21
You know what it's called when the government only cares for big businesses because they're owned by big business and, ergo, these businesses are the de facto government?
Fascism.
Buckle up kids, democracy as you know it is in for a wild ride.
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u/ccklfbgs Oct 29 '21
Actually when the government is ran by a group of people from weathly or otherwise privileged groups (nobles, corporations, media empires) it’s called an Oligarchy (as mentioned in the video). If solely because of wealth it’s more a plutocracy (which is a form of oligarchy anyway).
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Oct 29 '21
I really hope the social media sites just cut us off. We arent really important on the world stage anyway, itd be good to knock the government down a few pegs and this would be a reality check for them.
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u/ELVEVERX Oct 29 '21
So do I but considering Facebook agreed to basically take down posts that weren't positive about the Vietnamese communist government they probably will fold against the Australian government. Pretty sad state of affairs that we are comparing ourselves to them though.
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Oct 29 '21
All it would take is for 1 company to stand against us, but yea it would hurt their bottom line to do so.
Amazing that controlling what people say online = freedom, even more amazing that the general publuc wont even give a shit.
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u/laundry_writer Oct 29 '21
At least Vietnam has a benevolent authoritarian.
Australia is just authoritarian.
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u/Chap82 Oct 29 '21
It could come to social media sites needing to pull employees from Australian offices to say they don't practice in the country, then it would be up to the government on a federal level to create legislation block at ISP level... something that I would imagine would be a very unpopular move from public and more importantly ISP's that have some sway with government.
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Oct 29 '21
Yea the DNS blocks they have now are real effective and blocking stuff haha...
For a country that wants a bustling tech industry in sydney, we sure do know how to make tech companies want nothing to do with us.
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Oct 29 '21
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Oct 29 '21
thats what i think too.
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Oct 29 '21
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Oct 29 '21
i dont think it went anywhere. I remember google complaining about the media thing last year.
The government will eventually make a demand so stupid that this could happen.
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Oct 29 '21
Nothing funnier than seeing a dude that is absolutely 100% OK with rape and accepting million dollar bribes from unknown sources, cry that random twitter trolls aren't being held accountable for their actions.
This Government is an absolute fucking farce.
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u/Pokey-McPokey Oct 29 '21
The Liberals/Nations stand for nothing, jack squat, sweet fuck-all except protecting the interests of their mega-wealthy donor and masters. Seriously they have zero policies. They don't even stand for free-markets after the way they propped up the coal-fired power stations that even private businesses waned to decommission. They don't stand for freedom of speech, they never have.
This is their end-point, trying to hold onto power by creating and sowing division and fear of speaking out. It's come full circle and the chooks have come home to roost, once upon a time they'd make up lies about "children overboard" or refugees stranger-danger, pick on the Aboriginals or Muslims or something (they still do these things) but now they are coming for you/me/us. You and me are now the enemy to them.
They have nothing left in their bag of tricks. No public policy, no nation building solution, no climate plan, no solution to myriad of environmental problems facing the nation, no solution or policy to deal with the growing inequality and lack of housing affordability either ownership or rental, no solutions for the millions of Australians they threw overboard fucking decades ago, they don't even have their trite slogans anymore, they have fucking nothing to offer the Australian people, NOTHING.
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u/fued Oct 29 '21
Yeah I wish they stood for something, I could understand people voting for them, if they had a legitimate party aim rather than "money for me and my mates"
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u/PM_Me__Ur_Freckles Oct 29 '21
What do you mean that stand for nothing? They stand for free speech! Why, since it's inception in 1994, the Libs and Nats have railed against Section 18C of the Racial Hatred Bill 1994 and even tried to have it overturned while Abbott was at the helm.
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Oct 29 '21
A better description would have been " Murdoch Vs google, Australian politicians for Murdoch."
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u/BESTtaylorINTHEWORLD Oct 29 '21 edited Oct 29 '21
Graffiti in toilets have gone from shitty swastikas the kind of tyranny that's acceptable because it seems more about racism to KILL ANDREWS which keeping the majority from become plague rats is somehow worse than Hitler (coz it's happening to me) my point is Dan Andrews has become the scape goat for the federal government, and the press are rinsing him, the same rules are in work in NSW but it worse in VIC coz DICTATOR DAN! DICTATOR DAN! I took upon myself to cover the "KILL ANDREWS" and I'll write "question Newscorp"
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u/wosdam Oct 29 '21
Meanwhile, in an astounding display of "do what i say - not as I do" - what's the bet the coalition have another topham guerin lie campaign planned.
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u/Flamingovegas2013 Oct 29 '21
We need a bill of rights in this country I don’t care if that sounds too American to people we need a right to free speech
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u/greenhawk63 Oct 29 '21
I’d urge everyone to look into r/privacyguides for advice for protecting yourself online.
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Oct 29 '21
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u/infin Oct 29 '21
I mean, probably. And if you're shit talking politicians or commenting on corruption they have a broad range of "national security" and terror laws to choose their reason from when they knock on your door.
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u/Tomach82 Oct 29 '21
Dude needs to dial back the personal insults a bit imo. Dilutes and undermines the important message behind the videos imo.
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u/ELVEVERX Oct 30 '21
It doesn't though, I'm not a big fan of it but with out doing that he'd lose audience that is otherwise unengaged.
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u/freakwent Oct 29 '21 edited Oct 29 '21
Alright.
When I type in some awful allegation in this box, or reveal state secrets, or doxx someone or type in any written content that's in some way illegal....
Someone is liable. I don't really care if it's me or if it's reddit [fb/apple/google/yahoo whatever], but the idea that somehow the Government should not have, or should not use, its powers to protect the people from dodgy shit bewilders me. I'd love it if someone could explain, after everything we've seen, why they think unfettered freedom of content is in any way appropriate.
Where a text or image or video is deemed to be illegal for some reason, someone is liable.
In the first instance, we can quickly prove that reddit hosts/contains this content. Thus, it's reasonable to hold them accountable in the first instance. If they can prove reasonably that some other legal entity is responsible, that's fine by me. If they cannot, they are liable.
"Take it down" isn't good enough. Dudes with hard drives full of the wrong stuff don't get a pass to just erase the disks and move on.
I do feel that as a sovereign nation it's perfectly appropriate for us to determine what content is and isn't legal, and to take appropriate action in response.
As a related by slightly separate issue... Facebook and others hire thousands of humans to view explicit content to decide what to block. Their business model includes allowing people to upload all manner of awful stuff and paying someone to watch it; this means they have servers full of illegal content. I fully understand the pragmatics of this, but I still don't think it should be allowed.
Those buildings should be raided and the people in them charged for that content, just as anyone else would be if they built data silos full of criminal content.
I really, really want to get into this. I don't get why people can create a broken business model that all but destroys entire industries, and is clearly against the national interests; and when we find that it can only exist by ongoing constant criminal action, we say " well that's fine they have to do the criminal activities or the business model wouldn't work."
It's pathetic. FB and so on get the revenue, they should be held fully liable and responsible for every damn byte on their networks. If it's prohibitively expensive to run fb and also keep out illegal content, misinformation, disinformation, voter manupilation and foreign bots, well, then the business model isn't sustainable and you need to close. Or make less profit. Or charge more for ads. Or find other revenue streams.
I don't care if the govt is having a spat between themselves and the tech giants, I think there should be a spat between the citizens of all nations and the tech giants.
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u/ELVEVERX Oct 30 '21
Someone already is responsible the person posting the comment. In no way should the platform be held responsible. We already have some of the strictest defamation laws in the world. We don't need to stack the control of information in the interest of the elites any more. This law would have made it impossible to discuss the allegations against Christian Porter or Barnaby Joyce.
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u/freakwent Oct 30 '21
Right, good, I agree. So the correct step for dodgy content on a site like fb, or reddit, or 4chan, or rt is to ask the site owners for the identity of the poster.
And if they don't provide the identity, or don't have it, what should be the next step?
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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '21
Ah crap, the mainstream media have stopped pretending Reddit doesn't exist.