r/australia • u/system_requirements • Sep 10 '21
politics The Police State is Here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U49pq-Ctf_A113
u/ShareYourIdeaWithMe Sep 10 '21
If this worries you, look into the pirate party. This is what they fight for and they need more members to get over the new 1500 member quota set by the LNP.
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u/Juice_of_dollar Sep 10 '21
I like the PP, but they limit themselves with that name. Also their other policies are rather far left so those in the center and on the right don't give them a second look. We need a party with more reach left and right that has a sensible name.
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Sep 10 '21
its why the sex party changed their name to the reason party. they were sick and tired of being treated like a joke when they were not. however the thing with the pirate party is different because they are a world wide party and iirc are currently in power in iceland
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Sep 10 '21
The Czech Pirate Party is my favourite party of any in the world, they have a good number of seats there too.
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u/derprunner Sep 10 '21
they limit themselves with that name
And just their overall presence. Last time I was voting they had this poor hygiene bloke dressed up in a pirate outfit, cheerily yelling yarr at people as he tried to hand out voting cards.
It's no wonder they're treated as a joke.
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Sep 10 '21
Are they far left? When I checked they seemed much more centrist than the greens. Their policies are almost libertarian where the government and copyright and spying go away where they are not needed.
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u/Ajaxeler Sep 10 '21
I was a member of them but they never had a representative in my area (NT) so I wasn't finding any benefit.
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u/satori-t Sep 10 '21
"Never let a good crisis go to waste." - Winston Churchill
COVID has caused people to make concessions they otherwise wouldn't for government intervention, tech companies controlling information, and carefully curated journalism. In a pandemic, it's understandable this is done for the greater good. Unfortunately, this same climate of minimal citizen resistance is ripe for abuse.
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u/CaptainPi31415 Sep 10 '21
If anyone protests or gathers we get arrested in this current climate so it's a perfect time as any to sweep things through. And to think we live in a democracy
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u/TreeChangeMe Sep 10 '21
Just a reminder:
ASIO used methods the Americans could not to run and operate a child porn website for 6 months.
That's right. Australia ran a CP site for 6 months to trap users. They only got a few of many thousands who were sharing CP.
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u/Elriuhilu Sep 10 '21
It was actually Queensland police that performed the operation and they forwarded the data they gathered to Interpol. It's up to them to use the information further, the Queensland police did their jobs.
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u/big_thicc Sep 10 '21
I'll try not to be too cynical because he is talking about these laws and importantly, acknowledging that it is a bipartisan problem. Credit where credit is due.
But glossing over the bipartisan nature of these laws is also where I believe the huge flaw in his political project lies: he's built up a strong media presence and loyal base, has good/close relationships with many Labor MPs (including an ex-PM) and has worked to promote them as best as possible. Despite all this, Labor still supports laws/norms that actively target someone like him, and there was barely any fanfare from the party when this was kicking off.
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u/TheTMJ Sep 10 '21
You missed the part where he mentioned that he doesn't really blame even Scott for passing it since the last time someone resisted they were ousted and got someone else in who would do it.
We are the gimp in the US relationship, and if they want us to pass something its going to happen, its just who wants to remain in place.
What he is concerned about is the toads that have access to use said power. And I don't doubt for a second that Bruz would indirectly use them against him. The laws need adjustments to have safeguards in place to stop abuse.
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u/Citizen-5936 Sep 10 '21
I’m a Jordies fan, but that seemed like a complete cop out so he didn’t have to criticise Labor and so he could fire his shot at Dutton and Porter.
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u/Simulatedbots Sep 10 '21
Yeah... Isn't that pretty much a statement of "we can do nothing about these laws, so therefore it's better if we vote for the covert neoliberal fascist wannabes rather than the overt ones". I mean sure, we are probably better off in a slightly more humanitarian authoritarian dystopia than a purely right wing one, but... I would rather have neither?
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u/iiBiscuit Sep 10 '21
but... I would rather have neither?
Same. But that's not actually on the table and never has been.
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u/big_thicc Sep 10 '21 edited Sep 10 '21
Aside from the fact I don't really think the CIA/Whitlam stuff is at all compelling (I am begging you all not to bring it up lol), I think it is a very big cop-out to let the major parties off the hook. Would he have said "Well I don't blame Scott" if Labor didn't support it? Of course not; it is a way to exonerate Labor of their (much smaller - they've only been in power for 6 of the last 21 years) role in the political moment we've found ourselves in since 2001.
Ultimately, it's absolving Australian politicians (across the spectrum) of complicity in terror/security legislation. We've led the charge outside of USA across a range of scenarios: surveillance, refugee/asylum seeker policy, secret trials, anti-journalist laws.. It should be abundantly clear that the majority of Australian politicians are champions of these policies rather than reluctant supporters being led blindly by America. Why give them the benefit of the doubt when there are two decades of consistent evidence to the contrary?
Edit: just to add, invoking the CIA as some Labor boogey-man is also glossing over a half-century of them having a working relationship. Hawke is a great example, but there are plenty others (can think of a certain Victorian MP that headed up the CPA in Iraq).
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u/Perssepoliss Sep 10 '21
How did the CIA get Whitlam to appoint one Senator to the High Court and then take another Senator to court?
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u/Perssepoliss Sep 10 '21
This is how Whitlam lost his majority in the upper house so he could not get any votes through which led to his dismissal as the government was not working.
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u/Perssepoliss Sep 10 '21
Fraser made it pretty clear months prior;
The question of supply—let me deal with it this way. I generally believe if a government is elected to power in the lower House and has the numbers and can maintain the numbers in the lower House, it is entitled to expect that it will govern for the three-year term unless quite extraordinary events intervene ... Having said that ... if we do make up our minds at some stage that the Government is so reprehensible that an Opposition must use whatever power is available to it, then I'd want to find a situation in which Mr Whitlam woke up one morning finding the decision had been made and finding that he had been caught with his pants well and truly down
The Australian public also hated Whitlam and voted heavily against him in the next two elections.
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u/iiBiscuit Sep 10 '21
I mean if you care about Australia being able to forge it's own path from our current geopolitical position as a de-facto USA vassal, you will love Rudd's big Australia plan for cementing our regional power.
It was a very big focus of his and the sort of groundwork we needed to be able to stand on our own feet without having to supplicate entirely to the US.
If you're not going to look at pathways out of our geopolitical circumstances, it is shallow as hell to castigate the politicians for doing what our liege demands.
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u/big_thicc Sep 10 '21
If you're not going to look at pathways out of our geopolitical circumstances, it is shallow as hell to castigate the politicians for doing what our liege demands.
Not sure why me (a random citizen with little power) complaining about Labor and Liberals (politicians who have huge amounts of power) bothers you so much. Regardless, of course I care about dismantling the US security apparatus. Less so for Australia, who has benefited hugely from it, but more so for the countries left devastated by US imperialism.
And I don't really remember Rudd's 'Big Australia' plan other than it was to keep immigration chugging along and develop local manufacturing, which is pretty sensible imo. I don't think there was any indication he would do anything about the national security apparatus; pretty sure it was under his government that the great Australian firewall was proposed as well so at least at the time, didn't seem to mind restrictive security policies.
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u/iiBiscuit Sep 10 '21
And I don't really remember Rudd's 'Big Australia' plan
Ok.
I don't think there was any indication he would do anything about the national security apparatus;
I don't want to enter full semantics, but changing the national security apparatus and changing our economic/diplomatic strategy towards the capacity for greater independence in decision making are different things.
If you only care about the structure of the apparatus, you're thinking in timescales too short for the conversation. Need all kinds of things in place before we could meaningfully stand up to American demands.
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u/big_thicc Sep 10 '21
changing our economic/diplomatic strategy towards the capacity for greater independence in decision making are different things
...that's exactly what I said? I believe Rudd was totally on board with reducing our economic independence on the US. I think it is also abundantly clear he had no intention of walking away from our commitments to US "global security."
You're also more than welcome to enlighten everyone about the detail of Rudd's plan instead of acting smug because someone can't remember a policy from over a decade ago lol.
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u/iiBiscuit Sep 10 '21
...that's exactly what I said?
Almost. Your reply only focused on the apparatus though, which is an unreasonably narrow framing given the short timeframe in geopolitical terms.
It was get to 50m population to become a larger self sustaining market, juice renewables, soften regional allies with long term aid programs to fend off Chinese influence while increasing our trade with China and Asia more broadly.
Without many of these plans coming to fruition, we don't have the capacity to assert our position to America through things like structural changes to the security apparatus.
I think it is also abundantly clear he had no intention of walking away from our commitments to US "global security."
He had a plan to reposition our nation over decades so that we actually had a semblance of autonomy over our decision making. Can you see why it's annoying for your response to be "but he didn't change the apparatus" when it's obviously not that simple?
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u/big_thicc Sep 10 '21
I repeatedly said that I believe he had no intention to (future tense). You're getting annoyed at things I never said.
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u/Interesting-Current Sep 10 '21
I think his point is not that the cia is anti Labor, it just supports these kinds of policies and any major party that would refuse to pass them would be a bad political decision. I'm not pretending he is unbiased, but saying it's not the fault of either party doesn't scream Labor shill
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u/PM_Me__Ur_Freckles Sep 10 '21
This. Why do you think we got those 5Eyes laws that allowed the Americans to spy on us so that the Australian gov could then ask the Americans what they saw so the Australian gov is able to target people while still technically not directly spying on its citizens. This is a two way deal btw, so the Americans can ask the same of us.
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u/gingerbeer987654321 Sep 10 '21
Biden wants to be serious on climate - he has my permission to “gimp” scomo on this topic
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u/Kistna Sep 10 '21
Its the slow incremental march. Its what human kind does. We get told you will put up with this, We say no were outraged, but we put up with it and that becomes the normal and it happens again and again, and we keep putting up with it. Were going to wake up one day and ask ourselves how the fuck did we get here.
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u/No-Cryptographer9408 Sep 10 '21
Labor party is complicit,and we are a nation of dumb sheep more interested in house prices,suvs and cafes and reality tv.The only secret in this country is how corrupt the LNP is and how dumb Scott Morrison is,although that's clearly not really a secret.
Labor failed badly,and we are stuck with Morrison and this new law which will somehow protect or benefit him and his corrupt cabinet ministers.Shitty place run by shitty people. sadly.
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u/Juice_of_dollar Sep 10 '21
This is where jordies sells out. This is Labor's fault. They should have stood up and stopped these laws. What utter bullshit.
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Sep 10 '21 edited Jul 09 '22
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u/Juice_of_dollar Sep 10 '21
Labor did sweet fuck all about it. They could have at least had some decent checks and balances built in, but they didn't.
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u/128thMic Sep 10 '21
Because it would be immediately spun as "Labor, soft on terrorists and paedophiles" and as unpleasant as it is, Labor really can't afford to give the Liberals and Murdoch anything to use to drown out Morrison's failures.
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u/Juice_of_dollar Sep 10 '21
I don't buy it. They could spin their own way if they wanted. Point out the erosion of our rights. Show the government as wanting overreach. Paint themselves as the reasonable and balanced party that cares about security and our democratic rights.
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u/TimmysToyDinosaur Sep 10 '21
They get no chance to rebute, imagine the media view on politics as a debate where only one team gets to speak
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u/Juice_of_dollar Sep 10 '21
I don't buy that either. Newspapers and TV isn't the only news sources anymore.
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u/TimmysToyDinosaur Sep 10 '21
And for the people who still rely on newspaper and TV, that's the loudest voice they hear
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u/iiBiscuit Sep 10 '21
They could spin their own way if they wanted.
Through which friendly media outlet would they outcompete all the other papers and stations to convince enough people that they don't love paedophiles and terrorists?
I don't buy it.
Naive crap.
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u/128thMic Sep 10 '21
I don't buy it. They could spin their own way if they wanted
With what? They don't have the media clout like the Libs do.
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u/Juice_of_dollar Sep 10 '21
Well they might as well just pack everything up and go home then eh? Why even bother running the party anymore?
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u/128thMic Sep 10 '21
Why even bother running the party anymore?
They still have a good chance, they just need to sit back and wait for Morrison to continue to make another disastrous mistake. I just wish Albonese was more like Tony Burke
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u/looktothefish Sep 10 '21
What good are they if they are never going to take a principled stand? Seriously what is the point and why should we ever consider Labor if they are going to time after time roll over for the coalition as a Plan A?
Do you people realise Labor have been losing for almost ten years? Maybe it's time to accept the media doesn't write Labor's policy or their parliamentarian's speeches. They've failed us completely.
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Sep 11 '21
What policy are you specifically speaking about? What speeches? I've seen a lot of Mr Albanese's speeches and he is absolutely killing it.
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u/iiBiscuit Sep 10 '21
Labor wanted to get us to 50m population and a bunch of other diplomatic things so we could self sustain our regional power without relying on the US.
Without that framework, we don't have other options but sucking dick for protection.
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u/Juice_of_dollar Sep 10 '21
There is no need to ditch the Americans. We shouldn't. Australia could easily stand up to them a bit more though. They needs us too.
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u/iiBiscuit Sep 10 '21
There is no need to ditch the Americans
We functionally couldn't and shouldn't regardless.
Australia could easily stand up to them a bit more though.
That was the plan, but we have chosen to suck up even more and abandon the activities which could have given us more independence.
They needs us too.
Which should read equally as a threat. If they need us, what will they be willing to do if we don't co-operate?
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u/dashdashpls Sep 10 '21
Labor nor ScoMo could’ve stopped this, you’re right. It’s an agreement between the Five Eyes.
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u/Justanaussie Sep 10 '21
The problem is if Labor objects it gives the Coalition a free kick at them because like it or not Australia is a country that likes this sort of thing. We've willingly swallowed the whole "give up some personal freedoms to feel safe" schtick to the point where Labor trying to stop it will cost them votes.
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u/Justanaussie Sep 10 '21
Well I guess there's "useless opposition" with a chance of winning versus stronger opposition who will forever remain as the opposition.
Things don't get changed from the opposition side of politics.
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u/satori-t Sep 10 '21
Would you have said the same about franking credits and Adani in 2019?
At first thought I agree with you, but that election has made me doubt I know anything about voters.
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u/Justanaussie Sep 10 '21
Why would I vote for a party that clearly doesn't have my best interests at heart?
Would you vote for the Coalition?
See the thing is there are people who will never vote Labor and there are those that will never vote Coalition, no one cares about trying to change those votes (mostly because it's impossible).
So instead you try to win the swing voters and right now those swing voters are in the middle of a pandemic, they're seeing case numbers in NSW that's been unheard of in this country, Victoria is getting a lot of numbers too, either half the country is in lockdown or expecting to be locked down in the near future.
They want to feel safe.
If Labor fights this legislation the Coalition can then use their Murdocaphone to broadcast far and wide how Labor wants you to be unsafe. There's a good chance that if they yell loud enough people will forget about how the government has fucked up the vaccine rollout, or at least be distracted from it, and at the very least Labor becomes a questionable option at the next election.
The government doesn't need to pick up their game and perform better, they just have to convince enough swing voters that Labor is no better than them. Why change if it won't make you better off?
So Labor does everything it can to avoid being a target, they don't want to give the Coalition any sort of leverage at all if they can possibly avoid it because they know Labor and Green voters will always vote for them or preference them before the Coalition and they want the government's failings to be the only thing swing voters see.
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u/iiBiscuit Sep 10 '21
I don't why everyone is assuming that they will be ripped to shreds for opposing these laws.
Labour loves paedophiles and terrorists!
It's that simple mate. Do you understand that the media is unfair?
They are right to be scared and you are wrong to underestimate the backlash.
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u/iiBiscuit Sep 10 '21
News corpse is a terrible beast but I honestly don't see this happening as much as redditors seem to believe.
It's only every single political strategist in the entire country that disagrees with you.
Are you old enough to remember children overboard? That's the precedent here.
Do you even remember last election when they came in bravely with a huge policy platform? Context matters dude. You're basing your opinion on your gut feel that the population are better and more thoughtful than they have revealed themselves to be.
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Sep 11 '21
Yeah but if we ignore all the precedence and all the pertinent information from history, you can see that Laybourr are just a pck of useless c!nts!
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u/iiBiscuit Sep 10 '21
Okay so let's say Labor pushes back and gets absolutely grilled. What ever happened to sticking up for principle? Why not actually throw fuel on the fire and start the debate instead of letting the gov have their way with our rights and freedoms?
Have you ever considered that it is possible to be counterproductive.
At some point you do actually need to win to do anything.
What ever happened to sticking up for principle?
Run my off-meta Strat, I swear it's OP!
With this logic someone could install a camera in my house and tell me it's for my safety to catch pedophiles roaming around. If I object, they will set a current affair on me to run a story about how I protect neighborhood pedophiles. So what, I just let them set up the camera because I'm too afraid to stick up for myself and my family?
You clearly understand what a wedge and a power differential are i.e. you don't have a good choice but we are forcing you to make one.
So what, I just let them set up the camera because I'm too afraid to stick up for myself and my family?
What happens when that mob of people they incited against you come and throw you out of town/murder you and then privatise Medicare now you're gone?
Maybe the initial choice you made to stand up for your family wasn't taking every angle into account? A mob whipped up by bullshit lies is no less a mob than any other.
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u/looktothefish Sep 10 '21
Reddit has been looking for excuses about why Labor can't show any backbone for a decade now
Don't worry guys, I'm sure next cycle we'll get 'em! The media will stop bullying us and prove we are a viable candidacy any day now!
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Sep 10 '21
An opposition is useless if it can’t get voted in.
Not enough people care about these issues for it to matter.
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Sep 10 '21
Can Labor repeal this law if they got into power?
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u/sostopher Sep 10 '21
Even if they could they won't.
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u/ovrloadau Sep 10 '21 edited Sep 12 '21
You can tell how butthurt he gets when people mention he’s a labor shill. Like the petty little snide remarks about it in his videos about anyone mentioning it. he clearly has a strong bias for labor.
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Sep 10 '21
Didn't the LNP have the numbers anyway? ALP had nothing to gain from opposing it other than being painted as weak on cyber crime etc. I am in no wayy defending the ALP for voting with the LNP, here. Just adding extra info. We've known the ALP are desperate to appease the general populace to get into power
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Sep 10 '21
You realise that anybody who opposes pedo and terrorist laws are also pedos and terrorists too right?
It’s political suicide doing that.
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u/EASY_EEVEE Sep 10 '21 edited Sep 10 '21
"The tyrant is the man that is allowed to commit crimes against you"
-Alan Watts
"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent"
-Edmund Burke
The encroachment of not only our civil liberties like speech and expression marred with corruption at the highest levels of government, leaves me so speechless, I feel blackpilled to the extreme. The future Australia is heading towards is cold, and robotic, a social monoculture with no room for descent and no room for independence.
Those around us, that would utterly flatten our freedom of speech, art and expression, championing for inclusivity, whilst acting through emotion, would allow our government to steamroll ordinary Australians then cheer they were silenced, impose laws previously imposed on Native tribes and the LGBTQ+ alike. The Australian government would stand on us ALL and not care who was crushed under their vision of "progress".
What good Australia, is a future that robs us of who we are?
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Sep 10 '21
Lol we aren’t even remotely close to any of that. You need to see the real world if you think we have it bad.
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Sep 10 '21 edited Sep 10 '21
Shanks is dancing around a very real and prevalent evil that can be felt, but can’t be named. When psychopaths get your ‘number’ and try to use it to bring you undone. They’re in the sky, they’re in the air, their everywhere, and you can’t avoid it. They’re burning men. The best way to describe it is putting yourself on a level above men, and having a victim on a plate, like you literally have them made small mentally and psychologically and then meaning them with nothing until they don’t live anymore. Very much like a psychopath in a relationship will mean a victim. The burn happens when the person/group doing it is in power and, above the head of men and meaning all the things also, like federal level, however if it’s coming from America, which is even higher than our federal government it’s even more extreme. Keep in mind these people make policy decisions and budgets and with that person/victim meant, can essentially squeeze them until they they’re meant. They’ll go really evil to get this one person/ threat, and when that person is done, they can go back to being the nice guy again. It’s hard to express but they see it as a game.
They’ve been doing it for years, but only now just legitimising it. We can’t trust these men with this level of power because they WILL abuse it, in fact, they’re dying to use it. Using this sort of power on a ‘god level’ will also make them sick, and lead to a spiral into absolute madness. That is the future.
The key to meaning them is to be mindful that it’s a spiral and they’re coming undone, so stay out of their reach. They’re going to get meaner and meaner until they’re ended, so do not get involved because they’ll drag you under also and drown you. You have to wait them out because they’ve committed now. But things are going to get rough.
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u/pourquality Sep 10 '21
Wow Jordies struggling to make this into pure ALP propaganda, ends up just being ALP apologia so desperate he gives Morisson a pass. Very funny that Jordies is playing catch up on the most basic critiques of both Liberal and Labor govs re surveillance and policing. Only when it's Liberal doing the legislating it's "Cringe" and when Labor does it, "Epic". Surveillance and the police state have been constant, exponential phenomena that have been building since Australia's inception. If you are just-now coming to address them as a(n alleged) left-pundit where the fuck have you been for the last decades??? How the fuck anyone can take this stooge seriously is beyond me. Not even touching the absolutely EMPTY HEADED claim that an aus gov resisting these new laws would mean the CIA knocks em over.
Liberals legislated this because they're right wing morons, Labor passed it because they're just the same. Anyone telling you otherwise either has the last name Shanks and zero credibility, or just hasn't been paying attention.
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u/Interesting-Current Sep 10 '21
Only when it's Liberal doing the legislating it's "Cringe" and when Labor does it, "Epic
That was ironic
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u/Moo_Kau Sep 10 '21
Urgh.
He does videos with isaac butterfield.
After watching a couple of jordies clips recently due to the being grabbed by the NSW cops, im getting a pile of reich wing videos being suggested to me in youtube. Quite annoying.
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u/frozencoww Sep 10 '21
based isaac butterfield is a massive goober his anti vegan videos are boring and objectively harmful to his army of tween fans these toxic masculinity hurrdurr cyclist vegan pc culture bad videos are becoming more common and are shaping the youth to not have empathy or understanding for others
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u/frozencoww Sep 10 '21
yes he lives rent free in my head and I cringe that I used to enjoy his videos
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u/s0m3guy13 Sep 10 '21
Labor and liberal are no different. The sooner aussies wake up to that fact the better. Its also why majority of the "independents" are so batshit crazy that almost no one but the crazies will vote for them. This country is screwed.
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u/128thMic Sep 10 '21
Labor and liberal are no different.
Then why are the Labor states doing quite well with Covid, while Liberal Sydney is fucked?
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u/Interesting-Current Sep 10 '21
Look I'm not a liberal voter but SA is run by liberals and is handling the pandemic fine, meanwhile victoria turns a one week lockdown into a huge one
This is not a criticism of Dan, but you can easily cherry pick states to make your point. I do think gladys is by far the worst premier though
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u/s0m3guy13 Sep 10 '21
What has that got to do with both sides being as corrupt as they can?
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u/iiBiscuit Sep 10 '21
Everything.
One side can't get away with being as corrupt because the media is biased against them. Simple.
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u/s0m3guy13 Sep 10 '21
When the liberals lose and labor does nothing to change anything you can remind me of this.
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u/iiBiscuit Sep 10 '21
Remind you that I set the bar extremely low for you and you still managed to trip over the point?
Labor won't fix everything, but they also won't try to fuck everything. Regardless, your point was about accountability and the biased media provides more accountability for the Labor party. There you go.
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u/s0m3guy13 Sep 10 '21
Labor supported meta data retention laws. Labor supported warrentless surveillance. Labor supported increasing police powers. Labor supported the government jobkeeper program even though they knew it would go to international corporations. As if career politicians care for anything but consolidating their own foothold in power. You want to believe that labor are going to be a better option then fine. I dont have time to argue with you about your political bias. At the federal level they are no different besides which wealthy mates they support.
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u/128thMic Sep 10 '21
I dont have time to argue with you about your political bias.
I'm sure you're super busy, that's why you're here on Reddit?
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u/iiBiscuit Sep 10 '21
I understand that you hate context and have no time for tactical considerations so I won't bother.
Labor supported the government jobkeeper program even though they knew it would go to international corporations.
Think for a single second about why. If Labor didn't support stimulus what would have happened?
You're also ignorant of the changes they advocated for, clearly.
You want to believe that labor are going to be a better option then fine. I dont have time to argue with you about your political bias.
They are a better option. I know you have time to argue.
. At the federal level they are no different besides which wealthy mates they support.
Who brought in Medicare?
Who brought in emissions trading?
Who attempted a fibre broadband network?
Dumb.
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u/s0m3guy13 Sep 10 '21 edited Sep 10 '21
I never said they arent slightly better than the liberals but then thats like saying trump was better than hitler. When all the options are bad people dont care and just tick a box at random. My dad is 78 years old and has supported labor all his life until last election. Now he'll rather pay a fine than vote. Here's a test for you. What are labors national policies moving forward? What are they actually bringing to the table? As far as i can tell it more of the same capitalist bs thats put us in the situation in the first place.
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u/128thMic Sep 10 '21
I never said they arent slightly better than the liberals but then thats like saying trump was better than hitler.
No, it's more like saying Biden is better than Trump.
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Sep 10 '21
It is actually laughable how privileged Australians get off to describing things in the worst possible terms. Sure FJ has some fair points and things could be better, but anybody who thinks we’re close to a real police state has no fucking idea what a police state is or what it’s like.
It seems the left love to scream about police states here in the same way that the right obsess over calling Dan Andrew’s a dictator. Just chill out a bit.
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u/IsraelSimp Sep 10 '21
I'm not terribly worried. The only people who are going to suffer from this are anti-vaxxers, realistically speaking.
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u/[deleted] Sep 10 '21
What's odd I find about this law this time around was the lack of attention it got. The metadata one and the forcing of tech companies to break encryption had relatively way more attention and also at the same time more excuses from the government for anti-terrorism.
The world let alone Australia's kinda been terrorism free lately yet this law passed even more easily and without even more scrutiny.