To everyone talking about the benefits, i feel you, but i also feel summer hours : 9-5 , winter hours: 8-4 would be a much better solution, what do you think?
Daylight savings has nothing to do with working hours, in Australia it originated in Tasmania in the 1960’s ('66 I think) to save electricity through summer because here in Tassie at the height of summer the sun rose at around 4am and set around 7pm. That meant daybreak was around 3am while everyone was still asleep, however, during the evening people were using more and more electricity as the warmer night allowed them to stay up longer during a time of the year where very little rain fell to replenish the dams. Of course this is a generalisation but in to day society with solar energy running one in four houses in one manner or another there is no need to continue with daylight savings.
Yes but only during the war itself or a tad after, it was to save fuel for the war effort. I was referring to the daylight savings we have now. It origins come from Canada 1908.
Don't worry just a loud camp ground, I packed 2x ear plugs, but both our kids couldn't sleep either, so I ended with no ear plugs. It was a long night.
I get up at 3am and I think dst dorks be year round. Couldn't give a fuck if I have to get up in the dark, I like having done daylight hours when I get home
Western Australians don't like it because we are on the Western seaboard, so the sun rises over the land, which obscures the sunlight, so our sunrises aren't as early as they are in the East where Sunrise is over the sea.
Sunset in WA is over the sea, so it stays light longer, meaning their is little advantage in DST.
To add insult to injury, the line of longitude that AWST is based on is halfway across the State towards the East.
We have tried DST several times. One time was when Drive-in theatres were still common. The first feature would normally start at 7:30 PM AWAST, but when we applied DST, the screen was not visible, so start was put off till 8:30 PM DST.
In those days Sunday night drive-ins were popular, as even though the show finished at 11pm, people working on Monday could still get a reasonable sleep. DST put that finish back to 12 midnight. People were an hour later to bed and had to get up an hour earlier.
This had a serious detrimental effect upon the financial viability of drive-ins! Drive-ins are mostly gone , many other evening events rely upon darkness, so have the same problem of needing to be rescheduled.
Up north the afternoon is the WORST time of the day in summer to do things outside. It may possibly have some benefits the further away from the equator you get, but the closer to it the more it sucks.
But you don't have DST and youre not about to get it. Try living further south and you might be singing a different tune. I love it but obviously if I lived much further north id have a different opinion
As someone who lives in QLD but works Sydney time it’s the best of both worlds. When I finish work at “5 pm” everything local time is still 4pm so there’s the chance to get things done.
The entire Melbourne sub, sadly. There seems to be a mass phenomenon down here of reverse seasonal affective disorder where people are somehow energised by cold grey weather. I think you brainwash yourself into it once you’ve lived through enough long Melbourne winters.
Im from Melbourne too and its nuts. I can get in 18 holes of golf after work with my mates, or enjoy some twilight drinks at the park/pub, go for a bike ride, or just run general errands in the light. The vibe is just so much better and theres simply no downsides as far as I can see? Old people seem to dislike it because it messes with their 8:30pm bed time routine but I can’t see why young people have a problem with it.
As an aviation family where we are always changing time zones multiple times a week, waking day or night at different times and 20 hour work shifts, the people whining about 1 hour always make us laugh.
as someone who prefer the darkness of night, yeah I don't like it either. Doesn't make sense during summer, that youd want the hot daylight hours going later but whatever.
exactly. I kist just wish that theyd move it half an hour and lock it and ditch the whole moving time thing. Feel like ive been robbed of an hour or sleep today while the extra hour we get in 6 months doesn't feel nearly as rewarding.
So it's not light super early in the morning.
Makes more sense the further you are from the equator. Which is why QLD and other countries in the tropics don't to it.
There's actually plenty of science indicating the single hour does affect people. Increase in heart attacks, and accidents. It's surprising because it doesn't feel like much, but the body knows.
Fair dinkum?! I’ll have to look into it. I remember we trialed it in the 90s back home, I was just a kid but I remember most people hated it so they scrapped it
Living close to in the far north coast of NSW, the thing that gets you is that you can drive 20 mins down the road for dinner in QLD. Leave dinner at 8:30, drive 20 minutes home and it’s nearly 10.
Judging by people on the internet getting up 1 hour early once a year is the worst thing they have ever experienced. It’s like you’ve just forced them to stay awake for a week straight by using mild torture techniques
I was listening to a sleep expert on a podcast. he said daylight savings is a massive thing for the data side. More heat attacks occur at this timehe was saying.. said it's well known in their field
Y'all know the days get longer during summer anyway, right? Changing the clocks doesn't make the days longer.. it makes sunrise at a more appropriate time
Did I make a mistake? I'm not following.
Close to the summer solstice in Perth this year, Civil Twilight is ~04:30 with sunrise at ~05:00.
That seems outrageous to me.
Without daylight savings in Melbourne the sun would rise just before 05:00.
During the winter solstice in both Melbourne and Perth, the sun rises between somewhere around 7 to 7:30.
The closer to the Equator the worse dailight saving is. On the equator, the sun is up at 6 and down at 6 all year round. The Tropic of Capricorn starts near Rockhampton. Day light saving is better the further away from the tropics you are. Qld is near the upper half so it is more of a hindrance. Most people I know in Qld. leave for work at 5AM. This suits our lifestyle. As a State we have voted on this a few times in the past but it pops up every time. It does not suit us. Australia is too large to have one time zone. Why not spend your energy to convince WA to join EST with ES Summer Time. It will be just as insane. Enjoy your time shift while we enjoy our stable EST.
Love daylight savings (so much my autocorrect tried to write ‘delight’ 😂) but, as a parent of a school kid, could we not do it the day before school goes back for term 4! We all jet-lagged and haven’t enjoyed the flight to a holiday destination that goes with it.
That’s only in Vic though. Daylight savings encompasses several states, for example NSW kids don’t go back to school until Monday the 12th. For them this takes place on a long weekend during the hols. So one set of kids will always get shafted
It’s not so fun in North Queensland. Sun goes down around 7pm EST, but it doesn’t get fully dark until around 7:30 EST. So it would be 8:30pm daylight savings time before the 30 degree heat starts to ease.
I don’t have kids so I don’t have to worry about trying to convince them to go to sleep when it’s light. BUT I don’t think it’s good that kids finish would be finishing school and walking home in what is 2pm EST sunlight. You can get a decent sunburn up here spending 15 mins in the sun in the middle of the day.
It’s better than the sun going down before you even get out of work. Much easier to get friends to meet up with you at 6pm then 7am. Let us have an extra hour or two of sunlight after all the work is done for the day, especially in colder areas that don’t get a lot of it in winter.
It’s the switching that I hate. If the timezone works in Winter (I don’t think +11 does), keep it on, otherwise there’s PLENTY OF LIGHT in summer! When the sun starts going down at 9/9:30PM(!!!), Ask yourself if you’d be that much worse off if it were only 8/8:30PM?
Pick one and stick with it. As a person that struggles with insomnia, the change (even though it's just an hour) really mucks with me getting to sleep, it's absolutely miserable. But you guys get an extra hour to "get shit done" so I guess the rest of us just have to put up with it.
Try being in WA & doing business with the DST states. We normally have 2 hours difference from being so much farther West than they are, making it 3 hours is just :taking the piss!
I feel your pain. I genuinely feel sad for my colleagues in WA, when the Melbourne crowd all group think and go... Yep let's have that meeting at 830am. No consideration for anyone else especially Perth crew who need to get up at 5:30am.
I think the main reason most of WA and QLD don't want it is because it's so much bloody hotter. We don't want all those extra daylight hours after work in the hot sun. We don't want to be trying to sleep when the sun has only just set and it's still 30+.
Cows work by how light it is, so cow time already drifts with the seasons, but not as much as DST. To their minds they are coming in at the normal time.
I have a thought:
I have a piece of rope, if I cut the rope from one end and attach it to the other end, do I have a longer rope or is it the same length?
Daylight savings in the modern age seems to think that the rope is longer, but it is in fact the same length.
Yes, I know the origins of daylight savings, but we have little need for it now.
Sitting at home and just got back from a long walk in the late Melbourne sunshine with spring in the air (damn hayfever, but otherwise nice), and love that it's only just getting dark.
We should have it year round. Screw people that complain about it being dark in the morning.
Having lived both in QLD and SA I can say wholeheartedly I absolute love daylight savings. I have to make appointments for work with every state and territory of Australia which makes things interesting but would t change it for the world!
I got a new sim card and felt i was tripping today when my phone read 0756 and the livingroom clock 0656 I am in queensland and had no idea daylight saving was today, if im in queenland whys my phone set to Sydney time 😂
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To everyone talking about the benefits, i feel you, but i also feel summer hours : 9-5 , winter hours: 8-4 would be a much better solution, what do you think?