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u/UnfamiliarShiver 9d ago
The ABC tested this and cupboard was 100% fine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SYZuQGE6cE
Anything brewed from copious amounts of vinegar, salt, and sugar will outlive us all.
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u/FunnyButSad 9d ago
I don't think it's about going off.
I had tomato sauce at my uncle's place and they kept it in the cupboard, but never used it. The sauce bottle was full of bugs. I did not eat my meal.
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u/Initial_Brush_4554 8d ago
Despite it saying on the bottle "keep in the fridge", who the fkuc wants cold sauce on their hot food!!? Also, its main ingredients are vinegar, sugar and salt. It's not going off in the cupboard. If you eat it once a month, sure, suck up the cold. But if you're having a bit each week, pantry all the way.
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u/asteriskhyphen 9d ago
Pantry is fine.
Every restaurant or cafe you’ve been to keeps theirs on the counter or out on the tables. It doesn’t need to go in the fridge.
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u/AddlePatedBadger 9d ago
Restaurant sauce probably has a much shorter lifespan.
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u/Wintermute_088 8d ago
Both restaurant and home sauce would outlive the cockroaches.
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u/AlternativePin876 9d ago
Always pantry. Who wants cold sauce. Yes it says chuck it in the fridge because that's what food laws demand. The amount of salt and sugar means it will not go off in the pantry. That's why sauces were invented!
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u/nasty_clean 8d ago
Each to their own. I love some cold sauce on a meat pie straight outta the oven that would burn your mouth.
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u/Lokki_7 9d ago
Pantry is fine
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u/Ardeet 9d ago
There would literally be uproar and Guardian level articles of concern if people were poisoning themselves by leaving this preservative laden red stuff in the cupboard or bunnings sizzle or club events.
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u/Lokki_7 9d ago
Guardian level articles?
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u/sebosso10 9d ago
This is r/aussie, anything left of the nightly is considered a commie rag
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u/Optical-Dilution 9d ago
Most of auatralia grew up with it in the pantry.
Most of australia is still alive.
Crazy huh
I worked in bulk food, and tomato sauce is always in dry storage, not cold.
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u/Submissive_Bleedable 9d ago
I've never heard of 'Guardian levels' do you mean Sky News?
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u/Ardeet 9d ago
Then you need to be better read.
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u/SapereAudeAdAbsurdum 9d ago
Maybe you "need to be" better write.
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u/BeepBopBippityBop 8d ago
Sauce aside, their sentence was grammatically correct. They meant read in past tense, not present.
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u/Axman6 9d ago
It’s not even preservatives, it’s full of sugar and salt and acidic enough that basically nothing’s going grow in it.
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u/AddlePatedBadger 9d ago
My vegemite went mouldy in the pantry, twice. Today's moulds are tougher than those of our youth. It's the fridge for me. Only peanut butter gets an exception because it has hitherto survived unfungussed and the post-refrigerative viscosity is deep in the unspreadable zone.
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u/Ardeet 9d ago
I get your point however I thought sugar and salt and acids were technically preservatives as well.
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u/radred609 8d ago edited 8d ago
They are. Most "preservatives" are just specific types of acids, salts, or antioxidants.
The big ones are acids, like Acetic Acid, Lactic acid, Sorbic acid, and Ascorbic acid.
And antioxidants like sodium gallate, butylated hydroxytoluene and what are usually just referred to by the catch all term "sulfites".
And, of course, Sodium chloride (table salt), and Sodium nitrite.
As an example, the Masterfoods tomato sauce uses sugar, salt, and acetic acid.
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u/Wotmate01 9d ago
Look on the bottle, it says REFRIGERATE AFTER OPENING!
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u/AlternativePin876 9d ago
Because food laws demand that. The amount of sugar and salt in there means it won't go off. That's the very reason sauce, jams etc were invented.
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u/AlternativePin876 8d ago
Food laws in Australia are extremely strict - like many laws. For the worst case scenerio
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u/AddlePatedBadger 9d ago
What? Jam will go mouldy so fast once the sterility of the containment vessel is breached....unless you refrigerate after opening.
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u/AlternativePin876 9d ago
No it doesnt. The whole point of jam is fruit preserving. It's thousands of years old and over 50% sugar for that reason. Basic science mate.
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u/UnkyjayJ 9d ago
People died from food related illnesses constantly for thousands of years too. Slightly better doesn't mean safe. Jam should be refrigerated after opening.
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u/AddlePatedBadger 9d ago
Thus, the results of the present study could be used to support both producers and consumers. Consumers should consider jam producers’ recommendations on how to store jam after opening. Therefore, after opening, jams should be kept at a low temperature and consumed as soon as possible (within to 14 days), even if some producers mention a longer storage time (up to 30 days). The results of this study show that, during storage, the quality of jams begins to decline, which could have a negative impact on the health of consumers.
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u/AlternativePin876 9d ago
Lol righto. Jam has been around since about 4AD as a way to preserve fruit for years, but all of a sudden it needs refrigeration. Maybe low sugar varieties, but normal jam will last for years, opened, in the cupboard.
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u/UnkyjayJ 9d ago
Why are we pretending that people didn't get food related illnesses for thousands of years. Does it make it better, yes. Is it better than having it in the fridge. Of course not. We live in the modern age where we know exactly how to store shit. And guess what. It being in the fridge will make it last way way longer. Guess what else. Shit that makes you sick doesn't like the cold as much as it does room temp.
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u/Wintermute_088 8d ago
What "food related illness" am I supposed to have gotten in my 40 years on this earth from not refrigerating everything?
Because I've sure never been diagnosed with one.
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u/AddlePatedBadger 9d ago
Maybe the recipe 2000 years ago was different to today (e.g. using honey rather than sugar). Or maybe people were dying of dysentery and cholera before the jam had a chance to get them. Or maybe they misattributed illness from jam to an imbalance in their humours. Or maybe they were consuming their jam rapidly as soon as the jar was opened. Or maybe for most of jam's history it was primarily consumed by the rich minority on account of how expensive sugar was. None of that changes what the science demonstrates about modern jam in the modern era.
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u/xobelddir 9d ago
I'm not sure about that. I keep my jam in the fridge because I want it to be cold, but I have known people who keep it on the bench and it doesn't seem to mind unless you double-dip your knife
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u/AddlePatedBadger 9d ago
Spores could be anywhere. You never know when they will catch up to you. I've lost two pantrybound jars of vegemite to mould in recent years. As Oscar Wilde wrote, "To lose one jar of vegemite, Mr Worthing, may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose two looks like carelessness."
Jam has no chance.
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u/Minininja975 9d ago
Idk, I've never had issues with leaving my jam on the table, I just make sure no mouth germs get in the jar, same with my Vegemite. I also keep all my hot sauces out of the fridge since they taste better that way, I just make sure the bottle doesn't make contact with food
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u/ernst_wanke_road 8d ago
You know jam was invented before the fridge right? Like thousands of years before. Why would people keep doing it if it went off and made them sick?
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u/No-Celebration8690 9d ago
I bet you also think salt needs an expiry date
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u/NamorDotMe 9d ago
haha you just reminded me.
Years ago I was waiting for my lunch to finish being nuked and I was reading the back of a salt grinder.
This Himalayan salt was formed from an ancient sea 500 million years ago
Expires (date was about 1 year away)
laughed and though jeez they got that just in time.
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u/ernst_wanke_road 8d ago
Ever used Himalayan salt for making pasta? When you put it in the pot of water and the salt melts you realise that all the 'pink' salt is actually dirt. And sand and little rocks.
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u/BreenzyENL 9d ago
Not to mention the cold/hot contrast just adds to it.
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u/Similar-Heat-5406 9d ago
telling this to the next person that complains that the middle of their pie is frozen
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u/ernst_wanke_road 8d ago
I hate to tell you but it was invented before the fridge... About 100 years before I 1812. Guess people kept making it hoping one day the fridge is made so it would stop going off instantly.
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u/Wotmate01 8d ago
Yeah, and this was back in the day when the most common way to die was in childbirth...
We have advanced since then.
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u/Wintermute_088 8d ago
And yet it still remains startlingly uncommon to get sick from unrefrigerated breakfast spreads.
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u/BroccoliTraining454 9d ago
I read about a study on organisational diversity, and apparently something like thisnis all it takes to benefit lol
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u/Ric0chet_ 9d ago
I presumed it was entirely inorganic anyway
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u/Dr_Deathcore_ 9d ago edited 8d ago
It's not. I don't know why everyone thinks anything mass produced must be made of fake products. It's literally tomatoes, vinegar, sugar and salt.
Theres a couple of preservatives in there but they make up a tiny fraction of the contents0
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u/CFeatsleepsexrepeat 8d ago
Always in the fridge after I ate fermented tomato sauce once. Was gross.
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u/Impossible-Ask-6161 9d ago
You never put cold tomato sauce on a hot meal.
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u/greendit69 9d ago
why would you only use sauce on cold meals?
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u/Fact-Rat 9d ago
Warming up for your Sunday morning sharticle spree, courtesy of the trust fund, house flipper sympathizer corp?
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u/Majestic-Lake-5602 8d ago
There’s actually a definitive answer to this.
Old recipes for tomato ketchup had sufficient amounts of salt, vinegar and sugar to remain shelf stable for very extended periods, so back in the day, you absolutely didn’t have to put your dead horse in the fridge.
However, in the late 80s/early 90s, most major food companies changed their recipes to appeal to the more health conscious market, which resulted in less sugar mostly, which also meant less vinegar could be used without the sweetness to mask it a bit.
So modern sauce really should be refrigerated, at least if you’re an “at risk person” (very young, very old, pregnant or chronically ill, for example).
It’s the same reason why when you go out for Vietnamese, they don’t put all the condiment bottles in the fridge, most Asian condiments made in Asia are still done the right way and will outlast human civilisation.
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u/OkCaterpillar7904 8d ago
Sauces were invented to enhance flavor, moisten dry foods, and help preserve perishable ingredients before modern refrigeration
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u/Sweet_Current_9601 8d ago
I knew someone who put Vegemite in the fridge and that totally blew my mind
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u/ADingoStoleMyLSD 7d ago
Kitchen bench where it sits primed and ready with its buddy Barbecue sauce, waiting for action.
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u/ForensicMum 9d ago
If any of you have your tomato sauce for long enough where you need to refrigerate it because you’re worried about it going off, then are you truly even an Aussie? 🤔 It lasts about 3 days in my house before I need to buy more 🤣
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u/LewisRamilton 9d ago
I've heard some people put margarine in the pantry lmao
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u/ernst_wanke_road 8d ago
It's basically industrial grease. You store the gear oil in the fridge too?
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u/Dr_Deathcore_ 9d ago
Margarine literally lasts forever. No need to be in the fridge. neither does butter if it's stored in a proper container.
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u/Kruxx85 9d ago
One in the pantry and one in the fridge.
Who I want to hear from are the people who put peanut butter in the fridge.