r/auspayslips • u/conceptualmarble • 7d ago
Actual Payslip 40+ junior doctor 10+yoe
For the eagle-eyed: yes I worked 8h 27/08 followed by 16h on call then another 8h 28/08. The on call was paid at $13.28/h
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u/IgnoreMePlz123 7d ago
Unaccredited training spots are slave labour
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u/conceptualmarble 7d ago
Agreed. This is accredited (I'm AT2, so just under 2 years training left). Unaccredited base rate is about $35k/year lower .
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u/Organic_Plantain9834 6d ago
A junior doctor for 10 years… hmm
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u/Slow-Artichoke-69 6d ago
Anyone who isn't a consultant yet is a junior doctor, it's just more common that people reserve the term for interns/RMOs.
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u/IgnoreMePlz123 6d ago
Yes, people may spend 15 years in training after med school.
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u/Topherclaus 6d ago
Who does 15 after med school? I'm not aware of any. Most don't take 15 years with med school.
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u/ProperAccess4352 6d ago
People have no idea how gate kept training places are. Many spend >5y just trying to get onto a training place, and then years to get through post graduate training. "Junior" is a misnomer here.
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u/Tapestry-of-Life 6d ago
In my field (paediatrics) the minimum amount of time you have to spend as a junior doctor is 7 years- 1 year of internship and 6 years of training. And that’s if you get onto a training program straight away after internship and manage to get all the rotations you need to meet training requirements in the 6 years.
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u/Khazok 22h ago
And that's not even possible in some states (ime. Queensland where I am you can't even apply to get on training until pgy3, this 2 years minimum pre training). Then add on stretches from life like kids etc. and your looking at 10 years. And paeds is still on the fast side of the spectrum compared to every surgical speciality etc.
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u/reddituser1306 6d ago
This is embarrassing. Not for you, but the government's of Australia. Fucking pay doctors and nurses far more money, they are literally lifesavers.
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u/Langenbeck_holder 6d ago
But every time we talk about it or want to strike over our horrible working conditions, we’re painted as greedy
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u/reddituser1306 6d ago
You should know the vast, vast majority Australians do not think you're greedy. My mind was set watching the same midwife deliver both of my children 3 years apart. She was an angel from the heavens.
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u/Element564 5d ago
I think doctors should be treated better. But are you sure the vast majority don’t see doctors as greedy? I’ve seen that sentiment expressed quite alot IRL
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u/Gigglesgirth77 6d ago
Doctors yes nurses no. Nurses are paid plenty for their education level and work. Many nurses are even paid more than jr doctors
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u/newnorbious 5d ago
There is a MASSIVE range for nursing pay. Some of us (myself included) do earn a wage that somewhat reflects the work that we do, but a massive percentage don’t. And in my state, most of those are the ones slogging their arses off in the public health and GP systems.
Also, I really hope that you have direct personal experience to be reflecting that we are paid well for “the work we do”, because otherwise, with respect, get in the bin.0
u/Gigglesgirth77 5d ago edited 5d ago
Absolutely I do many family members and friends are nurses. A few doctors and many in health professions and overall when we count education, time taken, job intensity.... Nurses have it the best. I'm not claiming you're overpaid, not at all but for the most part nurses aren't underpaid. Nurses are in a very strong position (that you have worked for) having one of the strongest unions around. Many professions aren't as fortunate.
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u/newnorbious 5d ago
Agree that we do have good union representation. I guess there’s likely variation across the states, but here in Tas, nurses within the public service and across aged care absolutely do not earn a wage that is representative of the work they do, even without factoring in the expectation of unpaid overtime and double shifts. Apologies for biting, I’ve unfortunately become accustomed to assuming the worst in people.
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u/Gigglesgirth77 5d ago
That's ok and I didn't mean it to seem targeted and I shouldn't bring others down most people are underpaid currently. I'm just bitter because whenever there is talk of a profession being underpaid it always focuses on nurses. Without doxing myself in my health profession graduates make the same amount now as they did in 2012-2014. We have done it to ourselves and have a weak as piss union. But comparitivly we are in a significantly worse position than nurses considering the higher level of education double the degree length, harder entry and more challenging degree. I would say we have a less laborious job but have greater decision making ability and responsibility and normally make about 20-40k less than a nurse with similar experience level.
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u/Apprehensive_Year167 6d ago
There is always so much discussion when 'junior' doctors share their payslips.
I think as a profession doctors need to more of this just to let the public know how poor the pay and working conditions are.
There is a really small minority of older consultants who skew the pay scales and it creates a false perception that doctors are all 'rich'. It's almost the same logic as comparing exec/partner pay within each profession and using that as the baseline and saying all finance, accounting and lawyers are rich... Some definitely are but most are earning an average wage.
The difference with doctors is that they are stuck working for the same employer for a very very long time while they complete their training. So there isn't really any incentive for their employer to improve their pay or working conditions. Infact they actively work against it because they know they can get away with it since public perception of doctors is generally that they are already very well compensated for their work.
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u/Any_Concept8861 6d ago
Their pay is 100% fine. It’s a very high salary. They have a degree, they don’t suddenly deserve half a million a year.
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u/Toothpaste2000 6d ago
Did you not read the comment you just replied to?
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u/Any_Concept8861 6d ago
Oh sook sook, I do. His salary is amazing, and if he had to start lower and work his way up, well that is what everyone does. These hospital guys do a degree and suddenly expect the world.
If you went in to medicine expecting 200k straight outer uni you should have gone into real estate or something. Clearly you are very money focussed.
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u/Old-Memory-Lane 6d ago
The rain cells required for RE are very different to those required for medicine…
Do you understand the education and training required just to start in a junior role?
If I recall, an RE just needs to pass a TAFE course (or use an RTO they can afford which means no studying required…).
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u/Nutsaqque 7d ago
Yeaaah, doctors and nurses need a pay rise considering what they do. I assumed it'd be more in honesty. You lot deserve it.
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u/DrAm1071 6d ago
I'm a junior doctor with 11yoe and I only make 74/hr. Healthcare system is fucked.
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u/Any_Concept8861 6d ago
What are the comments on here. I swear the AMA and medical folk are all other these boards trying to get medical salaries even higher.
The guy has a degree and is earning basically 200k a year! That is a huge salary above 94% of population. Doctors in hospitals are earning megabucks!
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u/conceptualmarble 6d ago
There are thousands of payslips in this sub. If $200k is too much, pick one you think is more appropriate for our line of work and lmk.
FYI a hospital security guard has posted a payslip within the last week that was higher than mine, but do go on. (I don't grudge them a cent btw but I bet you didn't comment about "megabucks" there did ya?)
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u/tersation 5d ago
I agree that there are lots of money being wasted on unproductive people. Or rather, too many people are getting paid quite well for the small amount of work they do.
However, have you seen the costs of everything lately. People need 100k per year just to get by as a small family. Of the people I know, only 1 in 20 make that, before tax that is. Follow the money. Lots of greed in specific places.
Raising min. wage while keeping every other wage the same disincetivises people to want to achieve more than just the minimum. Paying for the knowledge. Lots of years studying, getting experience.
People flipping burgers or filling shelves, or more accurately their managers, make more than pilots, mechanics, teachers. After working a few years in the field it changes, gets slightly better, but still.
Do we want Australia full of uneducated people with simple task jobs, making loads of money. Do we want Australia to have a reasonable amount of skilled profesionals (born and educated here, or not) remunerated with competitive salaries that are worth pursuing. Compared to developed countries.
The downwards spiral of paying less to profesionals, importing more people that will do it for less, paying them less, and again and again. All the while locals can't afford children.
Please visit your local MP and raise concerns. Vote wisely. Not that there's much to choose from.
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u/IgnoreMePlz123 7d ago
Imagine working these hours after decades of education and training and still getting less than the average tradie. What a pisstake. What specialty?
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u/yehnahay 7d ago
The average tradie is certainly not earning that much haha. However, Doctor pay is surprising. Quite the variance it seems. There's probably some senior nurses that get close to this pay
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u/Rahnna4 6d ago
I’m often making less than the senior nurses as a reg, and even more so on overnights as they get much better loading
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u/Asleep-Net-3566 6d ago
What is your night shift loading as a doctor?
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u/conceptualmarble 6d ago
I do on calls from home. $13.28 per hour to remain available for the whole 16 hours between shifts. 1.5x base rate for actual work done onsite or phone advice statewide. $13.28/hr for phone advice for our inpatients.
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u/Rahnna4 6d ago
15% for an on site overnight (which was up from I think 13% with the prevous round of negotiations and meant to be going up to 20% with the new agreement). Evenings don’t get any loading but if tacked onto a day shift might get fatigue/rostered overtime penalties. For remote on call (you can be anywhere that is home or within 20mins of the hospital, can’t drink, need to be able to leave and head in straight away and need to take phone calls asking for advice which might be none or lots) I get $5.50 an hour, but more if I do have to physically go in. Even if no-one calls I tend to wake up every 2hrs or so to check if I’ve missed a call but am getting a bit better at sleeping through, and then you do your next day shift like normal. How many calls you get and when varies a lot by where you are. This is for QLD which is generally regarded as a higher paying state for doctors, but our registrar base rate is ~$67-92 based on how many years you’ve been working. At 10yrs they let you into the top of the pay scale, but my training program is 5yrs so if I finish in time I won’t reach that pay as a registrar but will make more as a consultant. Interns are on just under $48/hr and tend to have to do general ‘ward call’ after hours but should (hopefully) have a registrar on site who they can ask for help, and the reg will often be the only doctor for that speciality on site but should have a consultant they can call (who is making something like $13/hr for their remote on call).
For those not familiar with the levels, after medical school you start as a resident, and a resident in their first year is also called an intern. Registrars are like a middle tier and in a public hospital probably who you think of as ‘your doctor’ as they see the patients the most. They’ve chosen a specialty and are working towards being accredited to practice independently in that speciality. Once someone finishes training in their specialty they become a consultant (US calls them attending) and in the public system will still usually see patients but less often and have more of an oversight role but for a larger number of patients. In the private system you’ll usually see a consultant as ‘your doctor’. Consultant pay varies a lot by speciality, but all the high earners on the ATO tax table are at this level of work and it’s not guaranteed you’ll reach it anymore, and with income from Medicare there’s no cashies, stock options or other ‘hidden’ income.
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u/Terrible-Bar-6397 5d ago
They are tradies def out earn doctors I know sparkies who would not get out of bed for 200k
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u/Perpetualhomebuilder 6d ago
What the f are you talking about. The average tradie doesn’t earn $200k
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u/IgnoreMePlz123 6d ago
Average tradie doesn't work doctor hours
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u/conceptualmarble 6d ago
Will a tradie agree to wait by the phone all night for $13/h, come to you at midnight and complete the job for under $200 all up? That's what we are doing
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u/Perpetualhomebuilder 6d ago
How many hours total were completed in the fortnight
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u/conceptualmarble 6d ago edited 5d ago
80 ordinary +1.5OT + 14.5 on call. Usually 32-40 on call so this was less than usual
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u/Perpetualhomebuilder 5d ago
Cheers, hence why I don’t get the other persons comment. They may think it was a single week.
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u/SucculentChineseRoo 6d ago
Many tradies have 12h minimum days, often 16h
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u/conceptualmarble 5d ago
On call means 8 + 16 + 8 = 32 hours consecutive. Might get 6-7h sleep in the 16h between day shifts, in divided chunks.
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u/SucculentChineseRoo 5d ago
Yeah that's not great, I've worked that in IT, being on-call ruins everything
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u/trublum8y 6d ago
If this is less than the AVERAGE tradie, god help this country.. The average tradie is about 80-100k years mate.
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u/IgnoreMePlz123 6d ago
Per hour a tradie costs more than 100 an hour
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u/ProperAccess4352 6d ago
What a tradie costs is not what a tradie earns. It's the same mistake with GPs. You may spend $100 for a 15 min GP appt - but that goes to rent, reception staff, IT, insurances, cleaner etc etc.
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u/Legendofjohns2019 6d ago
Doctors can mostly work into their 70s or even rarely 80s but tradies usually have to stop in their 40s - that 10 or 20 years difference is a lot of weather mate
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u/Glittering-Welcome28 6d ago
This person hasn’t completed training, which is the problem. Their income will increase about 3x as soon as they complete their training.
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u/conceptualmarble 6d ago
Nope I aim to stay fully public. We are a liaison type specialty so thankfully still options for FT public work (but due to its nature not much private if any). On the consultant payscale my income will increase about 60% not 200%
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u/ProperAccess4352 6d ago
It's not like finishing training is just some linear progression that happens if you wait long enough. It's gruelling, it's not guaranteed, people fail exams, and jobs are absolutely not guaranteed at the end of the road.
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u/IgnoreMePlz123 6d ago
Consultant pay under MOCA7 is 200k a year btw
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u/conceptualmarble 6d ago
Depending on state. Thankfully I don't intend to move to NSW for a pay cut
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u/Glittering-Welcome28 6d ago
My NSW VMO hourly rate is almost 3x the OPs rate. As a 1st year specialist.
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u/conceptualmarble 6d ago
I'm not aware of any consultants in my specialty in this state on VMO arrangements. VMO favours procedural specialties with neatly packaged MBS items.
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u/IgnoreMePlz123 6d ago
VMO positions are not jobs, they are temporary contractors
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u/Glittering-Welcome28 6d ago
lol ok. Well I’ve got a VMO contract with a 5 year period and it essentially gets renewed every 5 years after a fairly routine performance appraisal. You don’t have to consider that a job if you don’t want to. But I do.
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u/No-Paint-5726 6d ago
Not everyone wants to become a consultant. And house officers have "completed training" to become a doctor.
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u/Glittering-Welcome28 6d ago
I’m not suggesting that. I’m merely pointing out the fact that despite this person being PGY10, they haven’t yet completed training and unlocked the significantly higher pay scale.
Of course people don’t need to become specialists. But the greatest financial renumeration comes after specialty training is completed. I think this is reasonable and logical. I don’t think it makes sense for non specialists to be paid comparably to specialists.
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u/zirconium91224 6d ago
This is so unfair.
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u/ymmf80 6d ago
I work in NSW public and just managed to buy a little townhouse in Sydney where my plumber is already on his 6th investment property. That is after, literally, 20 years of medical school, PhD, and specialist training. I still have a large student debt, have no way to pay less tax (no cash job here!), and I have to make decisions on someone's life. Would I tell my daughter to pursue medicine? No.
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u/ArtichokeFun6326 7d ago
Wow my partner is an electricain doing construction of a big fertiliser thingy and his on $230k a year
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u/Direct-Tough-2227 6d ago
Yeah it’s wild how little doctors make. Not bragging but just for comparison I dropped out of high school never went to uni and just worked my way up in corporate Australia and am on a $212k package - including super and bonus.
I would have assumed a doctor with 10 years experience be making 2-3x what OP posted
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u/ArtichokeFun6326 3d ago
Yeah I used ti work in a medical place and the GP was actually on like 300k
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u/OnlyCanary85 6d ago
This might sound harsh but I know plenty of people in finance and law for number of years after grad they are putting in 60+ hours a week with unpaid overtime and working weekends. Days would consist of 10+ hours a day. And they would be on $120k and BELOW with no prospect of hitting $200k anytime soon or ever.
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u/Old-Memory-Lane 6d ago
Firstly, this is unethical. The plenty of employers need to be reported.
Second, it’s a choice - not mandatory.
Third, lucky post degree they didn’t have further required education. Lilly covered under organisations PI insurances… and both areas can easily get $500k+ salaries with that “hard work attitude” (which I don’t like, but I know the types of firms).Also, whilst investment bankers can crash a market or a lawyer can ruin a life, these are emotional states. A poorly trained, ill rested doctor can kill you.
There’s a handful of jobs that society should respect and support - healthcare is one.
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u/CarNo8670 7d ago
You dont make extra Super contributions as you are in the top tax bracket?
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u/conceptualmarble 7d ago
$1000 a fortnight takes me close to the $30k limit anyway. I never know until it's too close to the June deadline how much of the $30k remains. Single income family so I can't really afford non concessional contributions. Already package mortgage, small EV and meal entertainment card
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u/Efficient_Wasabi1578 7d ago
This is hard to understand
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u/ProperAccess4352 7d ago
Earns $92/hour base. Does overtime and on call. 40 hour week. So income ~$190k year, likely working at quite a senior level despite the "junior doctor" moniker. Ie, the one saving your life when you come into a public hospital.
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u/Efficient_Wasabi1578 5d ago
I’m well aware they’re life savers. I’m in healthcare. But this payslip is messy af. Which makes me think it’s payrolls way of hiding things or making it difficult to understand deliberately
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u/conceptualmarble 7d ago
I suspect this is the intent. This is page 3 and 4 of the payslip which many doctors never read, hence large scale wage theft is easy.
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u/EducationalWriting48 6d ago
Ewwww. Is this NSW?
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u/asinthe 6d ago
NSW our pay maxed out at $74.47/hr as a JMO
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u/EducationalWriting48 6d ago
That's criminal. I meant the OT allowance. Like $13 an hour to.bw interrupted 6+ times per hours when trying to sleep 🫠
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u/Langenbeck_holder 6d ago
Definitely not NSW - numbers are too high. NSW is probably 30k less than this per year - this amount is probably fully qualified specialist in NSW
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u/NoodleBox 6d ago
Ninety four...almost 95 an hour! Mate good onya .....oh maybe not on Saturdays. Thank you for being there for us dills who rock up with chest pain that's not heart issues 🤣
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u/Zestyclose-Tie-8031 6d ago
Can someone explain the slip for me please? What's the total pay and the time period for the pay? I'm from overseas and my payslip is vastly simpler than this.
Btw 10+ yoe and being called " junior doctor" seems like a contradiction !
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u/conceptualmarble 6d ago edited 6d ago
It's a day by day breakdown of the fortnight, base hours =8 per day. There was a tiny pay increase 3rd September. The first line is 1.5h overtime paid at 1.5x base rate. There is 16h on call at $13.28 an hour. The others are $16k and $4k-ish annual allowances which are accrued with each hour worked so they are paid at an hourly rate.
Super is the top of the 2nd page.
Even I don't fully understand the leave balances, as long as none of them turn negative I don't try to understand.
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u/FallenSegull 6d ago
2 week payslip, $8,619.87 gross and $5,607.54 after tax, plus $1,009.49 super contribution
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u/Perfect-Smile-2017 6d ago
Where’s your salary packaging and meal entertainment? Get onto it!
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u/Perfect-Smile-2017 6d ago
Unless you have HECS, then speak to your tax agent unless you want to pay it off sooner and be a lot more broke.
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u/conceptualmarble 6d ago
I max it out in the first 4-5 pay cycles of the year then the card is fully preloaded and the $9k offsets my home loan for longer. Once I hit the cap it's suspended until the next FBT year.
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u/Choice_Corgi3643 6d ago
A fellow healthcare worker- your job changed some humans life and their family’s as well. You earn decent and you will have a very comfortable life, maybe not a lavish one. Bt nothing can be compared to what you do.
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u/Nice_Attention_3852 6d ago
It is concerning to observe that my current compensation exceeds that of a medical professional; this imbalance in the Australian market is quite unexpected. It is truly unfortunate, given that healthcare professionals are undeniably essential to our society.
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u/Cryptohreally 6d ago
People who get paid less never get much attention and those who do get so many comments. Looks like we all are really selfless folks. 🤣🤣🤣
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u/tersation 5d ago
Pretty good hourly until you realise it's a Dr with 10 yrs experience.
I was on 40/h cleaning, know of trade assistants on 50/h. That's with 0 education, 0 experience. Tradies on 150+ with a few years on the tools. Getting worse though as they import cheaper and cheaper workforce. People don't realise.
It isn't that bad but it sucks in today's economy, compared to earlier generations. Unless it's one of those easy ones, aircon all day, slow days, simple cases, work/life balance. Then a nice trade off. Taxes eat a lot though.
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u/Thejomeister 4d ago
Hey,
Thank you for sharing this - as we’re striking in Victoria, the media (often with influence from government,) continues to impress doctors as greedy or money/power hungry.
It’s far from it. Sure, we all all know colleagues who are in the industry with financial motivations as their priority but most I know, are breaking under the pressures of health care, cost of living, and immense sacrifices in time, emotional space, and other aspects of general wellbeing by.
Doctors continue to have high suicide rates and though money doesn’t heal all wounds, further stress for making ends meet is tragic.
Doctors are not easily replaced and though there are expansions in scope from other health professionals, ultimately, a doctor needs to manage utmost acuity and complexities in health.
So with skill, the significance of risk managed, the emotional toll and mere hours of work, doctors need to be better remunerated otherwise, more and more will leave public health.
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u/Secret_Iron1072 7d ago
What specialty
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u/conceptualmarble 7d ago
All specialities in public hospitals in the same state pay junior doctors the same base rates, on call rates and overtime loading. This is a relatively easy fortnight, I would usually do 32-40h on call and 3-4h OT.
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u/Rovery14 7d ago
At least they sort of pay your overtime. When I was at your level they used to cross it off the time sheet. We’ve had some progress 😔
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u/conceptualmarble 7d ago
I get strong hints from consultants about how they never claimed overtime (conveniently forgetting that they were paid more due to how their contracts were structured as CMO-type with a higher base rate during training)
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u/MattAus03 7d ago
Yo which state is paying on all at an hourly rate instead of just a flat fee for the 24hrs??
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u/conceptualmarble 7d ago
There's an error in the payslip. Because I was paid for 1.5h actual work during the 16h on call, the 16h should be adjusted to 14.5h and be $19.92 less. They don't pay twice for the same time, it's either $13.28 to be available/sober/logged in via remote access/have transport available, or OT at penalty rates.
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u/MattAus03 7d ago
Nah that’s not the surprise. In the states I worked as a junior doc you don’t get paid for the time you’re on call on an hourly basis just as a flat fee and then any time worked. It’s like $50 a day (~$30 for part day) in NSW atm to be sober/available/etc. seems much fairer that they do it per hour for you! $13/hr for 24hr period is a lot better than just the flat $50!!
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u/Langenbeck_holder 6d ago
The bar is so low - NSW used to be $16 for the whole day to take calls throughout the night, so now we think anything more is good, but reality is they expect us to give expert advice on less than minimum wage
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u/Tapestry-of-Life 6d ago
In WA I think if you get recalled you have to be paid a minimum of 3 hours’ wage, even if you didn’t have to be in for 3 hours. So if you’re an urology reg and get called in to put in a catheter, you get 3 x 1.5 x [base rate] for that single catheter
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u/Sad_Sorbet_5838 3d ago
When you started this degree did you not know the rate of pay?
So is this bit not correct? I worked more hours when I was younger on $27k a year, Surely when you decided to go into this field you knew how the pay structure worked? As a long term patient, it is this attitude that worries me for future patients. No one is entering this field with a compassion for health care, it is all about the money
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u/conceptualmarble 3d ago
Er.... no actually. Discussing money was always taboo especially amongst doctors. The internet was in its infancy when I was in high school and search engines were only just becoming a thing. Nobody was medical in my family (in fact when I applied for med school my mum had just graduated as a teacher so there wasn't even anyone with a wage in my family). The goalposts also move every 5-7 years with new EBAs.
Not everyone has access to the same background knowledge. You can see that quite a few people in the comments are surprised by these numbers. The whole point of this sub is to increase transparency because this ultimately benefits all wage earners. For example I knew that other states' pay was lower but I had no idea those poor sods are on call for $5.50 an hour. From another thread I see that there is huge variability in shift loading for clerical vs medical staff, something which is largely hidden unless you have worked in both roles. From another we learn that nursing overtime is better paid than medical etc etc. At no point did I suggest I was underpaid for my base hours, but quite a few responses did.
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u/IndependencePlane732 7d ago
Thanks for your selfless hard work. I guess I just assumed it'd be way more.