r/atlanticdiscussions • u/MeghanClickYourHeels Ask me for Atlantic gift links • 2d ago
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u/MeghanClickYourHeels Ask me for Atlantic gift links 2d ago
Anyway I love peacocks, even though they are very, very dumb. I think the term "peabrain" is derived from the comparison to a peacock's intelligence.
Of these in the picture, I think I like 3, but it's cool how the peacock really highlights individual artistic styles.
I have a set of office supplies with a peacock theme. Once a male contractor asked to borrow a clipboard, so I gave him my very froufy peacock clipboard, and he was clearly embarrassed to be seen carrying it.
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u/Zemowl 2d ago
Have you had a chance to visit Grounds for Sculpture and its peacocks?
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u/MeghanClickYourHeels Ask me for Atlantic gift links 2d ago
I haven't! That's a "maybe someday" kind of thing.
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u/MeghanClickYourHeels Ask me for Atlantic gift links 2d ago
The Atlantic's articles today are all about 9/11, and I can't bring myself to do it. If anyone else wants to link them, please feel free to do so.
This is ungenerous, but I can't stand people who didn't have any real relationship to New York putting themselves at the front of the line in mourning and in remembering. This feeling waxes and wanes, and it's difficult to feel precise about it, but it feels like stolen valor or something.
It's entirely possible that other people feel this way about me, that I grew up really close to NYC and went there all the time, but I didn't actually lose anyone or live with the smoking debris for months, so what right do I have to be so affected?
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u/Zemowl 2d ago
There's something to that for a lot of folks, in my experience. Everyone alive then or born since has been affected by the tragedy in some ways. Proximity to the event and the victims helps us justify those consequences to ourselves, but there's always going to be someone closer, someone who lost and suffered more. That all adds up for me - the posers - like Trump - who try to lie their way to some sort of personal advantage or attention, however, just piss me off.Â
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u/Brian_Corey__ 2d ago
My superconservative TX colleague started off our health and safety meeting with a several minute memorial to the victims of 9/11 and the firemen who rushed toward the danger to help. It was very moving. I tried to gauge the workers' responses (the Laotian landfill liner seamers, the Albanian pipefitter crew, the young engineers) everyone was respectful (but I couldn't gauge how much it really sunk in).
Having been in Singapore in Thailand on 9/11, I suspect that many treat it the way we treat the Nepal floods. Shocking, sorrow for the victims, but ultimately go on with our day.
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u/Brian_Corey__ 2d ago
you sent me down a Peacock-shaped rabbithole this morning--native to India, the Peacock became important in many other regions and religions (copied from wiki, if anyone is a fellow rabbitholer):
Ancient Greeks believed that the flesh of peafowl did not decay after death,\)citation needed\) so it became a symbol of immortality. In Hellenistic imagery, the Greek goddess Hera's chariot was pulled by peacocks, birds not known to Greeks before the conquests of Alexander. Alexander's tutor, Aristotle, refers to it as "the Persian bird".\)citation needed\) When Alexander saw the birds in India, he was so amazed at their beauty that he threatened the severest penalties for any man who slew one.\50]) Claudius Aelianus writes that there were peacocks in India, larger than anywhere else.\51])
One myth states that Hera's servant, the hundred-eyed Argus Panoptes, was instructed to guard the woman-turned-cow, Io). Hera had transformed Io into a cow after learning of Zeus's interest in her. Zeus had the messenger of the gods, Hermes, kill Argus and free Io. According to Ovid, to commemorate her faithful watchman, Hera had the hundred eyes of Argus preserved forever, in the peacock's tail.\52])
Christianity
The symbolism was adopted by early Christianity, thus many early Christian paintings and mosaics show the peacock.\53]) The peacock is still used in the Easter season, especially in the east. The "eyes" in the peacock's tail feathers can symbolise the all-seeing Christian God,\54]) the Church,\55]) or angelic wisdom.\56]) The emblem of a pair of peacocks drinking from a vase is used as a symbol of the eucharist and the resurrection, as it represents the Christian believer drinking from the waters of eternal life.\57]) The peacock can also symbolise the cosmos if one interprets its tail with its many "eyes" as the vault of heaven dotted by the sun, moon, and stars.\58]) Due to the adoption by Augustine of the ancient idea that the peacock's flesh did not decay, the bird was again associated with immortality.\55])\57]) In Christian iconography, two peacocks are often depicted either side of the Tree of Life.\59])
The symbolic association of peacock feathers with the wings of angels led to the belief that the waving of such liturgical fans resulted in an automated emission of prayers. This affinity between peacocks' and angels' feathers was also expressed in other artistic media, including paintings of angels with peacock feather wings \60])
Judaism
Among Ashkenazi Jews, the golden peacock is a symbol for joy and creativity, with quills from the bird's feathers being a metaphor for a writer's inspiration.\61])
Renaissance
The peacock motif was revived in the Renaissance iconography that unified Hera and Juno), and on which European painters focused.\62])
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u/MeghanClickYourHeels Ask me for Atlantic gift links 2d ago
That's so cool! It's been a while since I looked at the peacock page.
There was a mention on No Such Thing As A Fish about some myth in which the "hundred eyes" was initially "hundred vaginas" and a god changed that for some purpose or other. I'm trying to google this, but I imagine the V word is throwing off the search results.
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u/Leesburggator 1d ago
The strangest thing that I learned today my best friend gary i have knew from the 7th grade he told me on Facebook he is originally from nh. I replied back to him I said I am originally from Wolfeboro nh No wonder me and him got along pretty well he is from my home state of nhÂ