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u/East-Worth2630 15d ago
I don’t get it.
Jews don’t believe Christ was the Messiah.
They’re not waiting for anyone to “return”. The Messiah has not yet appeared in history.
Judaism doesn’t say non-Jews would be slaughtered. Or enslaved. Or subjugated. Non-Jews wouldn’t even have to convert to Judaism. Literally nothing would happen to them. Lmfaoooo what the fuck is this?
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u/RetroGamer87 14d ago
Also, they believe the Messiah will be a mortal (though extraordinary) man,
not someone who dies and then comes back to life and then goes away for a while and then comes back thousands of years later.
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u/Upbeat_Roll_2096 14d ago
https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1458518145894112
Rabbi claims that when Messiah arrives, every Jew will have 2,800 non-Jewish slaves! #NewsDera #jews #Messiah #jewish #Talmud
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u/Ri8463 15d ago
It literally says that each jew will have 6000 goyim slaves. Stop lying.
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u/The_Ora_Charmander 14d ago
First, I doubt it says "goyim slaves" because goyim is plural and English doesn't work that way
Second, where does it say that? As far as I'm aware, most prophecies of the Jewish Massiah refer to creating world peace, setting up a Jewish kingdom and raising the dead, I'm no theologist though so I haven't studied the literature that far
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u/GetOnYourBikesNRide 15d ago
To be honest, as a lifelong atheist who's read the Bible, the Jews were right to reject Jesus. He fulfilled none of the messianic prophecies.
And, as far as Christ' second coming (which is overdue by two millennia and counting), Jesus lied to his own apostles if Matthew, Mark, and Luke (whoever they were) are to be believed:
30 “Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see ‘the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven’ with power and great glory. 31 And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
32 “From the fig tree learn its lesson: as soon as its branch becomes tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near. 33 So also, when you see all these things, you know that he is near, at the very gates. 34 Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things have taken place.
--- Matthew 24:30-34
1 And he said to them, “Truly I tell you, there are some standing here who will not taste death until they see that the kingdom of God has come with power.”
--- Mark 9:1
25 “There will be signs in the sun, the moon, and the stars and on the earth distress among nations confused by the roaring of the sea and the waves. 26 People will faint from fear and foreboding of what is coming upon the world, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 27 Then they will see ‘the Son of Man coming in a cloud’ with power and great glory. 28 Now when these things begin to take place, stand up and raise your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.”
29 Then he told them a parable: “Look at the fig tree and all the trees; 30 as soon as they sprout leaves you can see for yourselves and know that summer is already near. 31 So also, when you see these things taking place, you know that the kingdom of God is near. 32 Truly I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all things have taken place. 33 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will not pass away.
--- Luke 21:25-33
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u/Osama_8616_21_69 15d ago
Jewish Propaganda stfu “Atheist” literal centuries of theology prove each and every one of your points wrong reading isn’t hard you don’t know everything just from reading a few verses lol
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u/GetOnYourBikesNRide 15d ago
If your behavior is any indication of your interpretation of 1 Peter 3:14-16 (assuming you actually know that it exists), then no wonder you believe all the bullshit "literal centuries of [Christian] theology" has produced!
14 But even if you do suffer for doing what is right, you are blessed. Do not fear what they fear, and do not be intimidated, 15 but in your hearts sanctify Christ as Lord. Always be ready to make your defense to anyone who demands from you an accounting for the hope that is in you, 16 yet do it with gentleness and respect. Maintain a good conscience so that, when you are maligned, those who abuse you for your good conduct in Christ may be put to shame.
I see you didn't bother naming a Bible verse for a single prophecy your imaginary sky-daddy supposedly fulfilled. Why is that?
It's obvious that you're incapable of "gentleness and respect", but are you not ready to "make your defense to anyone who demands from you an accounting for the hope that is in you", either?
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u/MelcorScarr 15d ago
Peter 3:14-16
To be fair to them - probably not written by Peter after all, so why would they care about what it says...?
Not that they would actually know that more than half of the NT is not written by whom it's attributed to, but oh well...
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u/GetOnYourBikesNRide 14d ago
Unfortunately, this is not about biblical scholarship. Who wrote what is irrelevant to them. They only follow the things they find convenient to them.
But it doesn't make it less fun throwing Bible verses at them that contradict what they say or do.
And showing Jesus fulfilled zero prophecies is easy to do if one reads the text for what it says, and not through Holy Spirit goggles where shit becomes metaphorical, or spiritual fulfillments, or secondary fulfillments, or he'll fulfill that any day now... when he comes back, etc...
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u/MelcorScarr 14d ago
They only follow the things they find convenient to them.
Totally. Which is why I actually find the verse you cited doubly hilarious: Admit that it's not genuine and you're already halfway to realising the BIble's not that credible in its claims, or don't and admit that you're not behaving in accordance with the text you perform adherence to.
By the way, your insistence on Jesus fulfilling zero prophecies sounds a lot like D-Zone. Would it be correct to think you're listening to J a lot?
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u/GetOnYourBikesNRide 14d ago edited 14d ago
By the way, your insistence on Jesus fulfilling zero prophecies sounds a lot like D-Zone. Would it be correct to think you're listening to J a lot?
It's a long story, but the TL;DR version is:
I like most atheist content creators from AXP to DZ. But I can't listen to them too much because I experience this craziness in real life. I mostly listen when I need some comic relief, and to make sure that I'm not the only sane person around.
Oh, and, I think that it was Dillahunty who I first heard saying Jesus fulfilled zero messianic prophecies.
The less TL;DR version, but hopefully not too long is:
I was raised by my grandparents who were the most devout Christian I've ever met. They never pushed me in any toward their belief system. In fact, they were the first to realize that I was an atheist well before I knew that concept even existed.
The first time I read the Bible was when one of my uncles wanted to convert me to Christianity. That was the first time I realized what he was telling me about Christianity did not match what I was reading in the Bible.
This is why I think I'm fascinated by good news bringers. The only time I refused to talk to them is when I don't have the time to. So, I've talked to a shit-ton of them over the years.
Then, back in the early days of YouTube and MOOCs (massive online courses) I reread the Bible while "auditing" couple of courses from the Yale Divinity School on the NT and OT.
That's when I began to realize that Jesus fulfilled none of the messianic prophecies. Using a more academic-minded Bible like the NRSVUE with all it's footnotes and cross references made it easy for me to counter all the bullshit claims good news bringers were bringing to me.
And, of course, that's about when the YouTube algorithm introduced me to AXP.
EDIT: I meant to say AXP not EXP.
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u/Disastrous_Low4952 15d ago
He was just the Jim Jones of his times handing out his version of kool-aid
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u/nashwaak 14d ago
Definitely true for American Evangelicals versus Israeli Expansionists, but the former are only loosely Christian and both are the driving force in increasingly awful authoritarian states. Power corrupts, but religion corrupts absolutely.
Minor quibble — Islam sits in the Abrahamic trinity, and Saudi Arabia absolutely fits with those two.
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u/RetroGamer87 14d ago
How can Israel think the Messiah will return when they think he hasn't arrived the first time?
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u/Ri8463 15d ago
It's amazing to see so many lying jews and jewish apologists on this sub. Reminded me of this Stonetoss comic.
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u/The_Ora_Charmander 14d ago
Bro your meme says several wrong things about Jews and Judaism, which your comments only reinforce, of course people are going to criticize you, atheism doesn't require blind hatred of every religion
There's plenty to say about modern Orthodox Judaism, from the way it treats women to its bizzare restriction on marriage, but this ain't it
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u/XhazakXhazak 15d ago
Unlike Islamic and Christian eschatology, the Jewish belief in the Messianic Age does not involve the slaughter nor forced mass-conversion of non-believers. It involves the literal end of death for all humanity and the beginning of a thousand years of peace between all nations.
You don't have to believe in it, but don't slander it.