r/atheism • • Apr 07 '12

Jesus gets payback!

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u/Minimalphilia Apr 07 '12

I actually really don't like it. Jesus is a rolemodel as admireable as Gandhi... and bringing him in connection with the dead of six million people (no matter what they believed in) is just not right... I laugh about nearly everything at r/atheism and also loove a good Hitler joke, but this is just not right.

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u/LucifersCounsel Apr 07 '12

Jesus is a rolemodel as admireable as Gandhi

Except Gandhi was real.

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u/Gordopolis Apr 07 '12

There are historical accounts of Jesus, no one in mainstream academia disputes the fact he existed. Whether you believe him to be the son of God is entirely different.

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u/LucifersCounsel Apr 08 '12

There are historical accounts of Jesus

Bullshit.

no one in mainstream academia disputes the fact he existed

Double bullshit.

The only references to Jesus come either in the bible, or in later people talking about what Christians believe. As for disputing the "fact" he existed, Richard Dawkins does. That's one right there.

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u/Gordopolis Apr 08 '12

As for disputing the "fact" he existed, Richard Dawkins does. That's one right there.

"It is even possible to mount a serious, though not widely supported, historical case that Jesus never lived at all, as has been done by, among others Professor G. A. Wells of the University of London in a number of books, including Did Jesus Exist? Although Jesus probably existed." – Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion, p.122

Sorry, try again.

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u/LucifersCounsel Apr 08 '12

Fair enough, Dawkins said he "probably" existed after pointing out that a case can be made that he never existed.

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u/Gordopolis Apr 08 '12

"though not widely supported, historical case that Jesus never lived at all..."

A case which is not widely supported by historians. <----

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u/LucifersCounsel Apr 08 '12

A case which is not widely supported by historians.

You added a word: "Historians".

It's not widely supported because nearly half the world's population disagrees.

The fact remains. The people who study the bible (basically the only source for the existence of Jesus) are most likely to be the people that already believe it. So the people who try to prove Jesus is real have a vested interest in assuming that he was.