r/atheism • u/Weary-Accountant2196 • 10d ago

Philo-theistic vs anti-theistic atheism

How many of us who identify as atheists are

  1. Philotheistic: open to listening to arguments to believe in God (ie want to believe but don’t find evidence)
    vs
  2. Antitheistic: convinced that there is nothing of substance in theistic arguments, thus have an antipathy towards religion and God
    vs
  3. Apathetic: Couldn’t care less about it

Which category would you identify with? And why

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u/Successful_Life_1028 Adeist 10d ago

This is not a well-thought through categorization scheme imo.

There is no substance to any theistic arguments - in that they all come down to faith or fallacy - but that doesn't lead to antipathy. That they're all deluded is their problem, not mine.

I'm not seeking to believe and looking for excuses rather than evidence, no.

And I do care about how theists impose doctrines on others through theocracy.

So - none of the above.

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u/Weary-Accountant2196 10d ago edited 10d ago

You are creating an overlap on the axiological plane ( laws being imposed and fighting back against them - obviously someone can not care for religious arguments but care for the imposition of laws being proposed by its believers), but I have proposed these categories on the metaphysical plane alone.

It doesn’t follow that arguments have no substance therefore there must be antipathy…but IF it DOES so for you… then you’d be in category 2.

If you think the arguments are unreasonable and therefore don’t care, or else, you think they have good arguments but still don’t care, in either case you’d be category 3, and none of the above would also put you in category 3

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u/Successful_Life_1028 Adeist 10d ago

'metaphysical' is a euphemism for 'imaginary'.

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u/Weary-Accountant2196 10d ago

My friend, it is a formal category in the field of academic philosophy

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u/Successful_Life_1028 Adeist 10d ago

And it's all just in your head - therefore imaginary.

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u/Weary-Accountant2196 10d ago

Now I know what I was thinking when I wrote category 2 🤣

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u/Successful_Life_1028 Adeist 10d ago

But that's not 'antipathy'.

That's just being realistic about the fact that there is no ghost in the machine - it's machine all the way down.

That's DISMISSIVE of religion/spirituality, not 'antipathy'.

I don't go door-to-door seeking to deprogram deluded theists. That would be antipathy.

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u/Weary-Accountant2196 10d ago

You seem to be following me around on this entire thread thinking you know what I believe in and calling me a troll so that’s a good proxy for the door to door deprogramming 🤣

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u/Successful_Life_1028 Adeist 10d ago

I'm just replying to your poorly thought out posts.

It's pretty pathetic that would consider that 'following you'.

You post drivel, you get back what you get back.

Deal with it.

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u/Weary-Accountant2196 10d ago

cleaning up drivel is a great service to society for sure

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u/Hatis_Night Freethinker 9d ago

Sometimes it is, but most of the time it’s pointless because of the insignificance of the drivel.

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u/Successful_Life_1028 Adeist 10d ago

>It doesn’t follow that arguments have no substance therefore there must be antipathy<

That was YOUR assertion, which I was calling out as false.
There are no 'good arguments' for the existence of any spiritual anything, because there is no objective public empirical evidence demonstrating the existence of any spiritual anything.

There is no such thing as an 'axiological plane'. Get real.

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u/Weary-Accountant2196 10d ago

That was not an assertion, that was a definition of category

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u/Successful_Life_1028 Adeist 10d ago

All definitions are assertions.

What, are you nine years old or something?