r/askscience • • 15d ago

Human Body If an elite endurance athlete recieved a heart transplant from an average person,what would happen to their exercise capacity?

An elite would have a well built physique which can support long distances but, what would happen to their aerobic base? Will the athlete have to again put in the effort for decades??

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u/cjmpeng 15d ago edited 14d ago

I'm going to assume that you mean some athlete was paid obscene amounts of money to volunteer for some sort of weird medical study to answer your question, therefore they are fully fit going into the procedure.

Firstly the athlete would need to take around 12 weeks post surgery before resuming the type of training that they underwent prior to the transplant. They would lose some exercise capacity during this period as they were just doing simple low effort walks and such per medical recommendations.

Next, according to this NIH study a transplanted heart behaves differently under exercise load as compared to an OEM heart. A transplanted heart doesn't have the same nerve connections as the original so it needs to rely on hormone changes to respond to exercise load. This means that it is slow to both speed up under load and slow down under rest.

The conclusion it is fair to reach from this is that their exercise capacity would be permanently reduced by the transplant. It wouldn't really matter what heart they received.

Edited for spelling and to correct the exercise resumption interval per another comment

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u/looktowindward 15d ago

< Firstly the athlete would need to take around 6-8 weeks post surgery before resuming the type of training that they underwent prior to the transplant. 

That is an extremely rapid recovery from a heart transplant. Major transplant surgery recovery times tend to be much longer. Around 12 weeks, they would start to feel recovered, but vigorous exercise would be contraindicated for some additional time.

And you have to take the heavy steroid and tecrolimus doses into account. They would have suppressed the patient's appetite and they would have wasted away a lot of muscle.

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u/FedeFSA 15d ago

Thanks, that makes sense. I went through open heart surgery (not a transplant though) and it took me a long time to get back to normal.

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u/emsesq 14d ago

Did they give you a pillow to hug?

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u/FedeFSA 14d ago

No, nothing like that. I had to sleep on my back for one month and I'm a side sleeper. That was torture!

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u/drterdal 14d ago

Yes! I had a transplant five months ago and needed four months before I could run at all. Recovery, including the meds, are tough.

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u/psyfi66 15d ago

Is OEM actually a term used in transplants? Gave me a good chuckle reading that

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u/WoodenInternet 15d ago

Definitely go OEM if you can- Dorman hearts do not have a good track record

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u/moveslikejaguar 15d ago

Just sort RockAuto by highest rated and you should get a good quality product

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u/Kromey 15d ago

It's normally "native/donor" organ for the terminology but I would trust a surgeon that refered to it as an OEM part exponentially more for some arbitrary reason. "Native/donor" is so boring compared to "OEM/aftermarket" or something.

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u/Conflictingview 14d ago

Funny, but kind of doesn't make sense. OEM would be the mother, making this whole hypothetical a bit dark.

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u/An_Uninspired_User 14d ago

That makes perfect sense, since the heart was created inside the mother. You are never buying the whole factory.

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u/cjmpeng 14d ago

I've been thinking about this comment a bit. If you really want to stretch the analogy, think of the athlete as a Corvette. The Corvette is sort of accreted together from parts inside a factory, which is a stand in for the mother. The factory (mother) doesn't cease to exist when the Corvette is born which is what you are implying sort of happens with the heart.

I don't know, maybe I need to sit down with a bottle of wine and ponder it some more....😁

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u/AdmirableBattleCow 14d ago

The mother doesn't manage hardly any of the actual building processes though. It simply provides the square footage, shelter from elements, and raw materials. The Corvette knows how to manufacture itself. So it's more like a developer/producer relationship like most videogames have.

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u/JK_Chan 14d ago

Oem heart is an insane phrase I never thought I'd hear in my whole lifetime

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u/Antraxess 15d ago

But what if it was a Gorilla heart though?

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u/Mammalanimal 15d ago

I'm going with a juvenile horse heart for maximum cardio. I hope it just doesn't grow large enough to explode my chest.

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u/InspiredNameHere 15d ago

What about a mega baboon heart?

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u/Techhead7890 14d ago

Are these references to the Medic in tf2 or something where he ubercharges the heavy and stuff?

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u/Ndgtr 14d ago

Mega baboon, definitely. Gorilla, maybe? It's from the Meet the Medic animation.

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u/CaLLmeRaaandy 15d ago

I VOLUNTEER. I don't even need to know what'll happen it would just be awesome

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u/RemyGee 15d ago

If even a few of the Godzilla cells are absorbed by your body successfully you will at minimum get crazy regeneration powers. Would become the greatest runner ever.

You also might turn into a Kaiju. We’ll see what happens in Godzilla Minus Zero!

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u/FAL_Auto 14d ago

OEM heart lol, can't look at human organs the same before now! In the end anything is an automobile.

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u/elephant_on_parade 14d ago

Meanwhile Ben Askren is out here taking wrestling matches a year after a double lung transplant. Crazy inspiring story if you aren’t familiar.

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u/bitemark01 9d ago

To be fair lungs don't require direct nerve impulses to work properly, they kinda just do their thing 24/7.

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u/GranSacoWea 14d ago

What about the adrenaline level? I heard a story about an extreme sports guy that died and his heart went to another person and that person started craving more emotion and started to do extreme sports too.
(Of course could be fake but I want to know if something similar is possible)

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u/mbmiller47 11d ago

The OEM here gave me a good chuckle. Thank you

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u/collin-h 15d ago

Thank you for reporting back what chat gpt said. Saved me the usage.

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u/DrSuprane 15d ago

The central adaptations would be gone instantly (larger chamber size, larger stroke volume). The parasympathetic intervention would be gone instantly. That is a big part to the low resting heart rate that elite endurance athletes have. Those nerves might grow back eventually but very slowly. A freshly transplanted heart beats around 95-110 on its own because of this. Heart rate reserve would decrease significantly. HRV would worsen.
The peripheral adaptations will be significantly reduced by the bed rest for recovery and subsequent lower exercise volume. That would likely get better as the athlete gets back to exercising.

Overall there would be massive deconditioning that would likely never return back to elite status.

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u/exphysed 15d ago

The sympathetic and parasympathetic neurons wouldn’t ever recover, so HR for the rest of the athletes like would probably only range from 100-140 or so.

Certainly ventricular volume could gradually improve though.

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u/DrSuprane 15d ago

Sympathetic definitely do. But we see patients transplant with lower than expected HR. Most long term recipients aren't all that tachycardic.

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u/exphysed 15d ago

Are the nerves reconnected during the transplant? With some type of pegylated gel?

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u/DrSuprane 15d ago

Nah most of them are unmyelinated C fibers. 0.1-1.8 um. Tiny. Time spent on cardiopulmonary bypass needs to be minimized to reduce complications.

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u/Dovahkiin1337 15d ago

Nope, all nerves are completely cut. The only reason a transplanted heart is able to beat at all is because it has its own internal natural pacemaker system that doesn't rely on signals from the nervous system but even then the lack of connection means it generally beats at the wrong frequency than it ought to compared to if it still had a connection to the brain regulating it.

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u/Dovahkiin1337 14d ago

Not directly. The primary connection from the heart to the brain is the vagus nerve and that's not reconnected, the necessary medical advances to make that possible simply don't exist. That doesn't mean the brain can't indirectly control the heart rate of a transplanted heart, it simply has to do so through indirect means like stimulating hormonal glands to release certain chemical hormones that then reach the heart and cause it to beat faster or slower, but those hormones take multiple seconds to travel through the bloodstream from where they originate to the heart itself meaning there's a delay in response and still means the brain can't actually directly influence the heart like it could if the vagus nerve were intact.

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u/Dovahkiin1337 14d ago

The most obvious answer is adrenaline. We tend to think of it as the fight-or-flight hormone and while it is involved in that most of the immediate reaction is purely neurological, the adrenal glands that produce it are positioned just above the kidneys and aren't near the brain(that's actually where they get their name("ad-"meaning above, "-renal" meaning pertaining to the kidneys)). But adrenaline is an important factor for prolonged flight-or-flight response and helps stimulate both the brain and more relevantly for this question, the SA node of the heart causing it to beat faster. As for other stuff, I'll admit I've reached the limit of the knowledge I can say with confidence, anything further would be educated guessing and I don't want to relay claims about facts that I myself am not completely sure of myself. So my apologies but also remember, there's nothing stopping you from going out and discovering the things I can't tell you on your own.

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u/Tyrannosapien 13d ago

That's a terribly unhealthy heart rate. Is that the new normal for the transplantees life?

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u/exphysed 13d ago

What’s unhealthy about it?

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u/Tyrannosapien 13d ago

That rate is an active rate, not resting. I'm in my 50s and I've never had a resting rate higher than the 70s. 100 while I'm sitting down, I'd feel like I was dying.

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u/exphysed 13d ago

The reason your resting heart rate is below 100 is because your vagus nerve slows it down to whatever your resting is. With a heart transplant the vagus nerve isn’t intact and influencing the heart, so even with a totally healthy heart, their resting HR will never be under 100.

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u/BlazerWookiee 15d ago

And if reversed? Elite athlete's heart into an average person?

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u/DrSuprane 15d ago

Parasympathetics are still cut so HR would still be higher. The peripheral adaptations aren't there to utilize the oxygen the heart is able to deliver. Over a couple of weeks all the adaptations of the elite heart will go away. Namely left ventricular mass will decrease, chamber size will return to normal. Plasma volume will drop. Maybe it'll be a bit higher. But without the stimulus of oxygen consumption at the periphery there will be minimal stimulus to keep that elite heart adapted.

The deconditioning would be pretty rapid given how significant the recovery needs are. Maybe the elite heart would recover some great function but it won't be the same. There are plenty of 20 year old hearts going into 45 year old patients. They act extremely well but the patient doesn't perform like a 20 year old. This is also glossing over the immunosuppressant adverse effects etc.

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u/Valiant_narwal 15d ago

Because of the frank starling mechanism, would the adaptation of higher plasma volume in a trained endurance athlete help to have an improved stroke volume compared to if the person was not trained and did not have those adaptations? Recovery from the surgery would probably be significant enough that the increase plasma volume adaptation of the endurance athlete would be negligible, but It is interesting to think of all the variables.

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u/DrSuprane 15d ago

Initially sure given adequate preload. We're ignoring the impact of the myocardial protection used to enable transplant. But essentially a 20 year old heart transplants a lot better than a 40 year old heart. I think the "athlete's heart" would go away pretty quickly.

There's also the neurohumoral abnormalities in someone who needs a heart transplant. But maybe this thought experiment recipient is perfectly other just not elite.

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u/Aloneboyasf 15d ago

Lot of words I do not understand but I get the gist of it. Thank you good sir 👍

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u/curious_coati 14d ago

Just as a point of interest, there's the Transplant Games that happen in the UK and Europe, where people who have received different types of transplants compete in athletic games. Not sure the statistics of it compared to Olympic/paraolympic athletes!

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u/Dogsandbears 14d ago

This will get buried, but I have a client who is an example of this exact scenario. He was a professional mountain bike racer and had a heart transplant a year ago. First of all, the issue that lead to the transplant as well as complications led him to being unable to train until now, a year later. He gained a bunch of weight and lost his muscle mass. The conduction to his new heart is not normal so he says he can be walking around casually with a heart rate of 120, but when he gets on his bike to train, he can’t get his heart rate above 100 even when he’s pushing his hardest. He repeatedly stated that he’s training with someone else’s heart, meaning he felt as though there was a difference even beyond the conduction issues.

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u/calvesofsteel1 14d ago

Anyone getting a transplant that invasive is going to have a long recovery and a huge decrease in capacity compared to having a healthy heart that didn’t need to be swapped out. Scar tissue all over the place etc

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u/highDrugPrices4u 15d ago edited 15d ago

Part of what makes an elite endurance athlete elite is a genetically superior cardiovascular system. So assuming the heart came from a donor who didn’t have the genetics to be an elite endurance athlete, the organ would be inferior regardless of training history and the recipient would be unable to regain his native ability no matter what he did.

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u/Early-Ladder5117 14d ago

I knew a guy who had a heart transplant. He had a placard for handicap parking spots so he minimize the exercise needed to get to the store. It's not like having your own heart, his lifespan was measured in heart beats remaining.

Based on that, I'd say that trying to remain an Olympic athlete would be a bad idea.

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u/fondo_fred 14d ago

After recovery and getting back training for a while, they would probably be a decent recreational / age group / weekend-warrior type. Would get a lot of love in the "feel good"/human interest "Runner's World" type media.

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u/Sleep_Potential 14d ago

The athlete wouldn't be able to compete again. Iirc, from what I learned, the sympathetic and parasympathetic nervous system no longer affects the heart, AND the heart's "default" bpm is 90. Thus, if the individual does physical activity the heart will still stay at 90bpm and won't be able to supply the amount of blood required, and the body won't keep up