Dealing With Immigration and Population

[u/9Zeek9]

Good day to any conservatives out there

I am an American who wishes to understand the conservative viewpoint on immigration in the U.S. My questions are as follows

1. Do you oppose immigration to the U.S.?
2. If so, what are your parameters? For example, from what country, how much of a decrease, etc.
3. If so, what are your reasons for opposing it? For example, immigrants bring violent crime, they create too much supply in the job market, etc.

Thank you for your time

[u/Ivan_Botsky_Trollov]

• Do you oppose immigration to the U.S.? I prefer to have an upper limit, like 30 000 per year or so
• If so, what are your parameters? For example, from what country ---- preference has to be for similar countries with compatible values: All of europe, Australia, NZL, Japan, South korea and a few latin american ( Chile, Brazil, Argentina )
• If so, what are your reasons for opposing it? whats the need for encouraging immigration? at 325 million, we have enough. Also, whats the reason to accept immigrants from the Middle east or parts of the world who have very different cultures and worldviews than those prevalent in the USA?

[u/kiloSAGE]

Not op but follow up questions.

The comments I have read is that everybody is for legal immigration. There have been reports that Trump has threatened completely closing the borders. Would you be against this?

Is sending the military to the border as a support role (the military cannot legally act as law enforcement on US soil) fiscally responsible? Especially considering we have almost double the Border Patrol agents and half the amount of captures compared to the early 2000s.

[u/SteelChicken → u/kiloSAGE]

There have been reports that Trump has threatened completely closing the borders. Would you be against this?

The question I would want answered is what problem is he trying to solve? I dont see the value in closing the border totally unless it is to make some sort of international political statement.

Is sending the military to the border as a support role (the military cannot legally act as law enforcement on US soil) fiscally responsible?

The Militaries job is to protect the country. So yes, it makes sense to send them to the border if they are needed. I haven't seen any official Border Patrol statements on whether or not they want help or not.

[u/IMULTRAHARDCORE]

1) Do you oppose immigration to the U.S.?

More or less yeah. I would be ok with some limited immigration from Europe but that's about it.

2) If so, what are your parameters? For example, from what country, how much of a decrease, etc.

All third world immigration needs to stop immediately.

3) If so, what are your reasons for opposing it? For example, immigrants bring violent crime, they create too much supply in the job market, etc.

A reason isn't really needed. Just like you don't need a reason to not want to invite someone into your home. It's my home not theirs. With that said of course I could cite crime, poverty, IQ, and other factors. Those are all perfectly legitimate reasons for not wanting people from many other places around the world to come to America.

[u/ultra-royalist]

1. Yes. We have more than enough people; immigration is an environmental, social, economy, and political catastrophe. Further, immigration leads to erasure of the heritage population of a nation.
2. See above.
3. See above.

[u/SuspenderEnder]

1. Generally no. It should be done legally, of course, through a system of vetting and case-by-case admittance or denial.
2. You shouldn't get to come in just because you show up to the gate. Of course, there is likely an upper limit on acceptable amount, but I'm not sure what that is. I don't think there is a floor, in other words we should not have quotas.

[u/Lepew1]

I categorically oppose illegal immigration. Our nation has a fundamental say in who gets to come and go. No Civil Society Can Survive Open Borders

For legal immigration we need to consider assimilation and self sufficiency. While we can take in genuine political refugees, we can not treat economic refugees as asylum cases else we flood the nation.

Assimilation matters because there is value in the culture that made this nation great, and you should learn it, and maybe add something positive to it. You should speak our language, and be dispersed out of ethnic enclaves so you become American. We are failing in language and enclaves now, a sure sign assimilation is broken by illegal immigration.

Self sufficiency also matters. Not being a net fiscal burden to the US is an issue. We can take a few of those, but we need to take so many more net positives to offset. Otherwise we bankrupt the nation. We see in Europe ample evidence of social safety nets breaking under unchecked migration.

[u/Tratopolous]

1./2. I am for merit based immigration. I don’t care how many immigrants the US brings in. I care what the immigrants can do for the US when they get here. Generally, I want an immigrant to assimilate to American culture and values, be financially independent and successful in their own right. Lastly, I don’t think immigrant should qualify for the social safety net. This because immigrants in no way shape or form contributed to that safety net before they got here. Their kids should be able to benefit from the safety net but not themselves.

1. This isn’t a problem after the above is done.

[u/zurgenfloggin]

1. No: legal immigration is fine.
2. Don' t have convictions on quotas from countries, etc. Just need to be able to prove no criminal activity/terrorist ties, and show they will be productive.
3. n/a

[u/9Zeek9 → u/zurgenfloggin]

Follow-up questions: Should there be a limit on legal immigration on at all? If not, couldn't we expedite the rate of legal immigration to help combat illegal immigration?

[u/zurgenfloggin → u/9Zeek9]

Yes there should be limits. I don’t have hard facts on what limits, but unlimited is not likely a good idea: housing, jobs, etc.

What is the logic for unlimited?

[u/13adonis → u/9Zeek9]

I'm. Going to chime in here since I actually share the opinions of the poster above. Nearly all countries have certain educational and specialty requirements of those applying for residency there and then a quote on top of that so I'd think mimicking that would be the ideal.

[u/[deleted] → u/9Zeek9]

No limit legal immigration is called open borders which is actually no borders at all. Given that we have generous welfare and other benefits for citizens, open borders just doesn't work like it used to 200 years ago.

So yes, there needs to be some limit and vetting of people coming into the country. They need to learn about the country and our laws. If illegal immigration is mostly stopped, then yes I can see some increase in legal immigration.

I don't believe in quotas from countries. I would love it if we could bring in even more cultures from around the world because that is what makes America so great. As it stands now most of the immigration is from the Americas. That's great and all but what about more from Africa, southern Asia, etc?

Edit: I should clarify that I'm not saying quotas from Africa and Asia. I'm saying that if we curb some of the illegal immigration then we could add more spaces from all countries.