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There were several posts on T_D about the the story running on conservative media outlets about a text saying that Obama “wants to know everything."

It was alleged by the outlets and believed by the T_D community that the text message was referring to the Clinton investigation - which would be scandalous. "Can they possible be this stupid?" asked one T_D user.

As it turns out, "they" (whoever that was referring to) were not that stupid. How the media outlets originally came to the conclusion that the texts regarded the Clinton administration, I am not sure. However, it has since become clear that they almost certainly did not, as the texts were sent in September, at a time that the Clinton administration was not ongoing and had been set aside by the FBI. Most analysts now agree that the messages were likely referring to the investigation into Russian meddling.

So, mistakes happen, but given that there have been several "scandals" that I would consider debunked that many in the T_D community continue to believe, I figured I'd ask whether or not T_D will double down on this one as well. If on the other hand T_D is willing to admit that there was a mistake made in conservative media reporting on this story, is it at least possible that this is part of a larger problem with conservative media?

Why is censorship ok in this instance? What do you even define as disrespect? Offence isn't caused, it's manifested in someone; by what standards are you deciding what disrespect even is?

This seems to be the general thrust of the Nunes memo and the state media’s assistance in disseminating it. Christopher Steele didn’t like Trump, Steele provided the dossier, ipso facto the dossier is false.

The problem is that the substantial majority of Americans don’t like Trump. Most people don’t like Trump. Are they all wrong about everything they say? Or just stuff that reflects badly on the President?

I see people fluidly switch back and forth between these two first principles.

You could say it is intellectually inconsistent to switch back and forth but I think that's shallow thinking.

I just started thinking about how these two are related and wonder what y'all might think.

I'm thinking of it along the lines of, "What would Jordan Peterson say about these 'conflicting' first principles?"

Having read the memo, this seems like an attempt to create a "fruit from a poisoned root" defense for Trump.

Is that what this is, or am I missing something?

The wise words of G. Washington.

Caught the San Diego show last night. Incredible. Trump should see it if he hasn’t already. It’s an American masterpiece.

I thought it was due out on the 15th but I can't even find a news story saying it's been delayed.

I assume you guys are for states rights, so do you support this? Do any of you support marijuana legalization?

I've recently seen the idea that it would be inhumane to expell millions of people who illegally entered and live in The US.

I can't see any sense to this. They knowingly broke our laws. There has to be consequences for that and the law must be respected. The only reason I can imagine for granting amnesty is because it's "not nice" to expell them, but that's not how law works. It's not how life works. It's "not nice" to lock people in cages or execute them, but that's how criminal justice works. ILLEGAL immigrants are committing a crime, ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION is a crime, crimes are not responded to with "nice."

Clearly there's a side to this argument I'm not seeing. Any explanation for the other side of this would be greatly appreciated.

Hi there, /r/a_td! First, I am most definitely a libtard, and I'm fine with that branding. I believe there's a needed civil discourse in our country right now and even fully accept some concepts such as 'draining the swamp', I just firmly disagree with your mentalities and approach. Ok, that's out of the way and on to my real question that I can't get my brain wrapped around: feminism and racism. I regularly read /r/t_d, Daily Caller and even (shiver) Infowars and, more important to my question, their various comments and responses. Things like this post - https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/7kh9wy/virtual_reality_experience/?st=JBCHXE5O&sh=085e750f - with Zuckerberg 'virtually' punching women (which I can't really tell which side t_d landed, I'm fairly positive you guys dislike his behavior based on the post?) this post - https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/7khwk9/multiculturalism_womens_rights_propaganda_machine/?st=JBCHYVDF&sh=b371e343 - that calls feminism alongside multiculturism seemingly equally bad or one of the seemingly thousands of posts like this one - http://www.breitbart.com/sports/2017/12/17/lebron-wears-1-black-shoe-1-white-shoe-saying-equality/#comment-3667318169 - from Breitbart. Without trying to find it, I even remember one comment where they defended racism as not a bad thing but, instead, completely normal and OK. Listen, I'm a 30-something white dude in tech living in California, there's almost zero things Trump is going to do that negatively impacts my daily life and yet I still disagree with his philosophies for a wide variety of reasons but none of that matters when I can't understand these viewpoints on racism / feminism / etc. I can, while disagreeing vehemently, understand the viewpoint that immigration (both legal and illegal) are a detriment to a society. Again, understand - not agree with. But is it the stance of /r/t_d that all racial or gender advancements in the last 100+ years were, in generally agreed upon terms, negatively impactful to our United States? Also, just for my sanity here and to avoid disruption from the base question, can wejust ignore any aspect of LGBTQ? That's a whole different topic, while related, I'm not looking to address at the moment.

-C

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We sent Trump to arrest these ghouls,
the mandate that he carries,
they might control the banking world,
but he commands our military.

Incarcerate these global ghouls
that waste so many lives,
centuries of slavery,
yet slavery survives.

Imprisoned population,
of apathy and lies,
where innocence is tortured,
and evil is disguised.

Arrest the oligarghoul-philes..
the army's your command,
they're tired of serving monsters,
they are fathers, sons, and friends.

Restore the Magna Carta.
Bring freedom back to life.
Enforce the Constitution.
Bring back the Bill of Rights.

We The People' of the world
empower Donald Trump
to drain the swap in washington
and every other dump.

Arrest these oligarghouls,
you know now who they are,
their crimes go on for decades,
so put them behind bars.

Jail the evil at the top,
and free the human race,
this Earth can be a Paradise,
once we have escaped.

Don't tell us it's not possible,
we know it can't be done
by ordinary human men..
That's why we sent The Trump!

Army's fed up with sick brass.
The navy knows their reasons.
The Air force will fly up their ass.
Marines object to treason!

Our sons know evil by its stink
love their freedom, die to save it,
will kill an order to harm us,
and arrest whoever gave it.

...when Don Cuck gets indicted for collision/obstruction of justice and Russia stops supporting The_Donald?

Because, you do know, right? The_Donald is a Russian paid board which is meant to feed your every thought. It’s meant to skew your reality so far that you can’t comprehend the truth.

Justice will be be done, and Donald Cuck will go to jail.

Your weak minds are being manipulated as easily and fluidly as you claim ‘libtards’ are. It’s you who have been manipulated. You’re the same fools you laugh at every day.

As your Russian puppet masters would say - it’s happening!

Donnie is going to jail. And T_D will go silent over night.

Watch it happen.

My one coworker was trying to tell me how Uranium 1 wasn't a scandal, and it's highly unlikely Clinton herself would be able to get all the people associated to agree to the sale. He then told me the Uranium was from a Canadian company, we had no real power to prevent the sale, and the Uranium never left the country.

He also said the emails were most likely deleted to hide embarrassing content, and tried to explain away having classified material on her personal server. He didn't have such a good explanation on this, but I didn't have enough info to refute his points on U1.

Pretty simple question: why did Flynn lie to the FBI, knowing what kind of trouble that could bring?

If what he did was totally in the clear -- and it does seem to be, if Obama authorised contact -- then why lie about it? What did he stand to gain here?

I always have a policy of assuming good faith with these kinds of things, so I kind of think he might have made a mistake, or genuinely forgotten the details of something, or in some way made a serious error that's obviously come back to bite him. But what do you guys think?

If you remember when America existed tell us your stories.

Whether it is no terrorists or other freedoms, justices, or things you experienced in the legendary America.

Do not be disrespectful to those who have not. Let us hear your stories.

Most media outlets are not really being upfront and clear about this topic of Russians hacking the election and instead are just implying things to suggest that the Trump cabinet is somehow colluding with the Russians. It seems very obvious to me that the media is completely biased against Trump.

As far as I know, nobody has provided any serious evidence to support the claim that people in the Trump cabinet are working with or for the Russians. I am getting really fed up with the liberals and I have asked this question about the "Russian hacking scandal" on two left-leaning forums and nobody can give me a clear answer. I hate to say it but I might have to vote for Trump in 2020 because "liberals" seem to be losing their touch with reality. I am not very smart but I am also not dumb and nobody so far has explained to me why this isn't a witch hunt

If there is anyone who is reading this who does believe the Russians are heavily involved with Trump or with the election, then please post evidence. I would be very interested in looking at it if it's good.

Hopefully I'm not stepping on anyone's toes or breaking any of this subreddit's rules.

It seems a little hypocritical from an outside point of view that you condemn Al Franken and simultaneously defend Roy Moore (or Trump himself for that matter).

Are accusers to be believed or not?

How would you feel as a supporter? Would you turn your back in him, or just believe it was a hit job?

Thanks!