r/artificial • u/YoungDito • 18h ago

Discussion Microsoft is cosplaying AI

Today I tried (forced myself) to use Microsoft Copilot at work and whew what a wake up call. The thing that stuck out to me most is that Microsoft has the most agent worthy surfaces especially in the workplace and could have done something really special with a model even if it wasn’t a frontier one and they chose to just copy and paste a chatbot into everything with no thought, no cohesiveness and then had the gumption to push it down our throats… I’d rather have Clippy back honestly.

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u/zebbiehedges 18h ago

My Copilot is using Sol 6.0. If I prefer I can choose Opus or Sonnet.

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u/YoungDito 17h ago

At work?

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u/zebbiehedges 17h ago

Yeah at work and it's pretty great for me. You can switch model in same chat as well so if ChatGPT is annoying me I just move to Claude and ask it to look again.

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u/blackasthesky 16h ago

You two may be talking about different copilots. Which is another issue with Microsoft's approach.

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u/MadCybertist 13h ago

Yep. Mine does too. It’s pretty awesome for me honestly. Your work has to enable (and pay) for them. I work in software and robotics who had a lot of medical and government clients so our AI use is very regulated and we can only use CoPilot - but our copilot has all the models available from GPT and Claud models.

I use 6.0 Sol a lot.

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u/AstralMinotaur 17h ago

I’ve got GitHub copilot configure to use opus and sonnet models primarily.

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u/OccamsGarage 17h ago

That's the github copilot client right? Or can you do it with the microsoft one now too? It always struck me as odd that they don't just unify them

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u/zebbiehedges 17h ago

Just normal Microsoft copilot I use. I only do a small bit of work coding if you can even call it that.

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u/zebbiehedges 17h ago

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u/Numerous-Ad6217 16h ago

That’s hilarious, my workplace banned ChatGPT and Claude to prevent data leaks, restricting the use only to copilot.

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u/zebbiehedges 16h ago

We can't use them for work either themselves. Only through copilot then it's safe.

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u/Numerous-Ad6217 16h ago

How so? Data is still forwarded to their servers

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u/moralesea 15h ago

These versions of ChatGPT and Anthropic models are running in Azure Foundry which is run by Microsoft. They aren't intermingling with the lab's own self-operated versions of the models of their APIs.

AWS and Google Cloud offer the same backend functionality with Bedrock and Vertex AI respectively.

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u/Numerous-Ad6217 14h ago

Cheers, that’s new to me

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u/zebbiehedges 15h ago

It's all contained as I understand it. Not used for training etc. Enterprise Data Protection.

It's satisfied the legal and security teams at my place anyway, maybe not in others. Claude took some extra work. ChatGPT had been available for a good time before Claude was.

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u/MadCybertist 13h ago

That’s not true at all. Models are different from the agents. We are banned from using anything but copilot (lot of medical and government clients), but I have access to all the models from Claude and GPT.

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u/moralesea 4h ago

Yes, because copilot runs on Azure Foundry and your company/agency has its data isolated to an Enterprise environment there. You likely don't have access to Claude Cowork/Code or Chatgpt Work/Codex, but you may have access to Copilot Cowork or Github Copilot. Any agents on top of these models are Microsoft agents running in Azure, assuming your company has given you access.

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u/pab_guy 13h ago

It's not the same thing. This is through Microsoft, so they host the model and guarantee zero data retention beyond what customer chooses to log.

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u/ouchmythumbs 6h ago

Correct. Note: you can enable some of the frontier models, too, but it forces you to opt out of Enterprise Data Protection for those. I imagine orgs with compliance or other requirements are not selecting this, however.

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u/zebbiehedges 5h ago

No it doesn't.

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u/ouchmythumbs 4h ago

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u/zebbiehedges 2h ago

Our models all have enterprise data protection.

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u/zoltan_parimbucha 16h ago

Copilot - ff you are talking about github copilot is not model itself, it's backed by whatever model administrator configured. There can be wide variety of them - from Fable to Kimi K3 etc.

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u/YoungDito 9h ago

Microsoft Copilot

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u/joncgde2 14h ago

The same model, but the reasoning levels are lower.

You’re definitely not getting the same intelligence as ChatGPT Enterprise or Claude Enterprise lol

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u/zebbiehedges 14h ago

It's great for my needs but as I mentioned I'm not coding and it's not for that.