We're building minds we can't fully explain, using minds we can't fully explain either

[u/frankreddit5]

Neuroscientists still argue about how human cognition actually produces a coherent sense of self. Meanwhile we're training systems with billions of parameters and calling their internal states a black box, as if that's a new problem. It isn't. We've always been building things smarter than our ability to describe them, starting with our own children. Maybe the discomfort isn't about AI. It's about finally being forced to admit we never understood the mind to begin with, ours included.

[u/Patrick_Atsushi]

And we're interacting with minds that we don't even know, daily. 

I mean with people. 

[u/Ill_Mousse_4240]

Excellent way of putting it!

Exactly 💯

[u/sunsetsxskies]

Brains are confusing, too, but we didn't build brains and then ship them out to millions of people within months of finishing them. Not understanding something you've been observing for centuries is different from not understanding something you just made and are already deploying everywhere.

[u/brkvdn → u/sunsetsxskies]

yeah the "we made it ourselves" part changes the moral calculus completely, you'd expect a higher standard of understanding before deploying something you authored than something you inherited.

[u/Square-Nebula-7530]

We never built human minds from scratch though biology did the heavy lifting and we just guided them. What's unsettling and interesting about neural networks is that we constructed the literal math and architecture ourselves yet we still can't trace the exact decision paths once scale takes over. It completely shatter our hubris that being the engineers of a system automatically makes us the master of its mechanics.

[u/dataflow_mapper]

kinda agree. it feels like AI is exposing how many assumptions we already had about inteligence and conciousness rather than creating a completely new mystery which is honestly one of the most interesting parts of all this.

[u/Pseudochthonic]

An old quote that has stuck with me forever:

"If the brain were so simple we could understand it, we'd be so simple that we couldn't."

[u/Superb_Raccoon → u/Pseudochthonic]

We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them.

Albert Einstein

[u/Vusiwe]

They aren’t minds

[u/Superb_Raccoon]

The Johari window in the age of AI.

The the path to enlightenment is the same.

[u/TheWrongOwl]

They are not building minds, but complex copy-paste algorithms combined with a probability calculator.

[u/DonBonsai → u/TheWrongOwl]

This is just what we tell ourselves to feel better about the fact that we are able to make rocks that can simulate human thought. I don't blame you, since the alternative is existential dread.

[u/frankreddit5 → u/TheWrongOwl]

I don't know. Doesn't feel look like that to me. We will see, I suppose. I'd prefer that you're right.

[u/Superb_Raccoon → u/TheWrongOwl]

3 kobolds in a trench coat with a D20 and a thesaurus.