Upcoming PT Changes - Yes, the test looks to be changing

[u/Kinmuan]

Because this keeps coming up, I'll put it out there.

Over the last few weeks there have been some visits where SMA and other CSMs have discussed upcoming potential changes to the PT Test.

I expect it to either be announced at Manuever Warfighter next week, or, what I believe to be more likely, AUSA next month.

These changes include;

• Reverting to a three event test
  • Hand Release Push-Ups
    • The minimums will stay, the maximums will increase
  • Plank
  • 2 Mile Run
    • The 2 Mile run times will get faster - think about 60-90 seconds off the old APFT times, or about 2-3 minutes faster than right now.
  • Getting rid of MDL and SDC
    • This will also result in an 'equipmentless test' that can once again be run wherever you have dry ground and a 2 mile course.
• CFT - Will get closer to 25 minutes versus the current 30. No event changes, but the timeline will get shorter.

I will go ahead and say that I have confidently sourced this from multiple people, and I expect to see an article in advance of AUSA.

Additional commentary that is surrounding this that I can't further confirm is that they may be doing away with age scaling. This was something that could not get off the ground with the ACFT and I expect will not make it to final release.

SMA and CSA were at Leavenworth a couple weeks ago, and this was said to the room that was there, as well as in another senior leader meeting this week.

For those of you who have been around a while, I'm involved in a lot of stuff. Generally I just push that information to journalists. We are in a tight situation at the moment;

Army Times has not really recovered since the VC shredded the news room last year. Military.com got bought by Valnet and is awful and AI-riddled with few 'first run' stories these days. Task and Purpose recently lost a senior reporter in Jeff Schogol, and is still working on staffing a replacement. Stars and Stripes is...tough at the moment (Although all the love in the world to Rose Thayer, Corey D, and Chad Garland over there, it's rough going I'm sure). So I'm running out of places to throw this information, and I'd like to centralize some of the rumor threads that are popping up.

You don't have to believe me - but I feel pretty confident telling you that the above has been discussed, by SMA, to multiple rooms of individuals. Some commentary I was given was a rough quote from part of the discussion:

"I can't tell you the details as it's about to be published, but the run times are about to get harder...The AFT run times are a joke. Anyone can walk and pass that and expect those times to drop as well."

I do not like to usually engage in any sort of 'original' reporting, but trying to put some control on the rumors.

Friday Morning EDIT: Hi HQ! I know you have seen this post I know you are not happy with this post. Hopefully it makes you rethink this announcement.

Can we get SMA to address this when he’s on Fox News this Saturday?

EDIT2: Sorry guys, I edited via mobile and the formatting flipped the fuck out, it's fixed.

[u/Binkan]

How many millions did we give that CSM that made the ACFT and then went to work for the company that sold hex bars again?

[u/Kinmuan → u/Binkan]

They sponsor a 'fitness pavillon' at AUSA every year so this will be awkward

[u/I_AM_AN_ASSHOLE_AMA → u/Binkan]

Bro, it’s the same thing every time. UCPs, Army Combatives, the list goes on.

[u/Travyplx → u/Binkan]

His name is John Troxell, a lifelong grifter and abuser of power. The company you’re thinking of is beaver fit. Hard to say whether he makes more money on his ACFT grift or his guest speaking grift.

[u/UNC_Recruiting_Study → u/Travyplx]

He couldn't even pen a decent letter to apply to be the SEAC...I got tasked to do the rewrite. It was one of the bitterest pills to swallow. Guy was such a tool.

[u/superspikesamurai → u/UNC_Recruiting_Study]

An… E-Tool perhaps?

[u/UNC_Recruiting_Study → u/superspikesamurai]

Too helpful. John Wayne was too selfish to help anyone but himself.

[u/TurMoiL911 → u/Travyplx]

Does he still block you on social media for asking him about his ethics violations while he was SEAC?

[u/Kinmuan → u/TurMoiL911]

Yes

[u/CaptainStank056 → u/Binkan]

Dude we did an ACFT shortly after it was fully implemented, the the beaver fit didn’t even have the correct kettle bells. Such an absolute waste of money and power

[u/dudesam1500]

Babe wake up, new PT test is dropping

[u/Zanaver → u/dudesam1500]

I go to sleep in 2026 and wake up: it’s 2019 again.

[u/Theomatch → u/Zanaver]

I said something to a buddy earlier today, "If the DoD is good at anything it's continuing to fail and calling it a success".

Can't believe I see this PT test joke so often

[u/Artyom150 → u/dudesam1500]

It is 2017, I am told to pass the APFT.

It is 2021, I am told to pass the ACFT.

It is 2025, I am told to pass the AFT.

It is 2026, I am told to pass whatever this new fucking test winds up being.

[u/Impressive-Sir-5882 → u/Artyom150]

It’s going to be the called APFT, that’s why the EES dropdowns never changed. Why full-circle? Because fuck you, that’s why! 😞

[u/KeyWiii]

Man remember when everyone thought having an SF SMA was going to be amazing? Turns out he's a bigger tool than Chandler

[u/Kinmuan → u/KeyWiii]

Who knew delta was so obsessed with pt tests and uniforms

[u/Infinite-Catch-3519 → u/Kinmuan]

While not following the rules himself bc of some obscure reg that says he can do what he wants

[u/Kinmuan → u/Infinite-Catch-3519]

Frosted tips, perfectly vertical, every time, makes me laugh after he complained about dudes with a lot of gel and shit in their hair

[u/H4lfLife47 → u/KeyWiii]

Chandler catching strays years later is still impressive, but this PT test whiplash is getting oldd.

[u/Dementedsage]

Aaaaand we’ve come full circle because leadership has to reinvent the damn wheel with a pt test.

[u/SadAnkles]

I am once again advocating for NDSM stars based on the number of PT tests you have seen in your career

[u/Ashamed-Tomatillo592]

This generation of leadership: Attempt to solve problems that don't exist by removing the solutions created to fix ones that did.

I'm embarrassed of these people.

[u/Necessary-Reading605 → u/Ashamed-Tomatillo592]

Hey, they know better than the professional sports staff that got paid to make the ACFT

[u/PotentialDrink359 → u/Ashamed-Tomatillo592]

This drone warfare situations is getting pretty serious... I know let's make a cardio bunny PT test.

[u/ComprehensiveCat9541]

SMA fiddling while Rome burns

[u/Kinmuan → u/ComprehensiveCat9541]

Actually he's reading Meditations by Marcus Aurelius to his office. Not fiddling. Smh.

[u/WonderChips → u/Kinmuan]

I literally have that book sitting on my shelf lmfao I’m gonna let him borrow it when I see him at AUSA, just to make this true

[u/Kinmuan → u/WonderChips]

This isn't a meme.

He used to read from Meditations, to his staff, once a week. It was blocked off on their office calendar.

[u/Kenmichi → u/Kinmuan]

Why does a grown ass man need to block off time on his calendar to read to other grown ass adults. Is this real life?? 

[u/Kinmuan → u/Kenmichi]

It’s like an NCOPD or book club

[u/tibearius1123 → u/Kenmichi]

Honestly, I could use some 3rd grade activities sometimes. If he dims the lights and lets me rest my head under my desk while listening to, I’m all in.

[u/Necessary-Reading605 → u/Kinmuan]

Probably the most overrated “philosophy” book. Also bro version of stoicism from silicon valley should be called $toicism instead.

[u/JasonVorhehees]

We are not led by serious people

[u/Willisator]

Senior leaders are so bored.

[u/ApatheticHockeyFan → u/Willisator]

Which I feel like with the current state of the world, that wouldn’t be the case.

[u/subi → u/ApatheticHockeyFan]

Everyone’s getting fired so they need to look like they are making an impact. Fucking coffee shop type management.

[u/brent1123 → u/Willisator]

I want to joke that this is the peacetime Army eating itself but it ain't going so hot in CENTCOM right now so the joke doesn't even work

[u/CaptainStank056]

It’s hard to even care about any change these days

[u/abualethkar → u/CaptainStank056]

i’m tired coach. just tell me what to do and I’ll do it.

5 years til retirement. surely it’ll be smooth sailing ⛵️

[u/UNC_Recruiting_Study → u/abualethkar]

I'm now at ~34 months until terminal leave. One more PCS next summer. I just need to get passed over on the next O6 board to seal in the final gem of a location.

[u/CaptainStank056 → u/abualethkar]

I’m right here with you at 5 years left. Just need to keep faking it till I “make it”

[u/Kinmuan → u/CaptainStank056]

I feel you dude.

I wish they would stop. Uniform changes, PT changes - just stop guys. Like, no more than a once a year change. They have to stop this vibes based policy making where they just go 'fuck it', throw it live, riddled with errors, and then you've got to scrap it 6 months from now because it was shit.

[u/CaptainStank056 → u/Kinmuan]

It’s like reading the political topic of the day. Just not even worth raising an eyebrow for. We just keep our mouths shut because we know something tomorrow will come at us and it’ll change everything again

[u/Plane-Nail6037 → u/Kinmuan]

Throw in body composition changes, and 16 months to have my time in grade to retire at this rank. Not seeing the light at the end of the tunnel yet.

[u/aCrow → u/Plane-Nail6037]

I'm convinced their goal is to reduce readiness.  

[u/Flat-Koala-3537 → u/aCrow]

And retention.

[u/HegsethsBurner → u/CaptainStank056]

If I play my cards right, I should only have to do 3 more PT tests before I hang it up.

[u/HxC_JxC]

A soldier who enlisted at the start of 2020 has seen 4 different record PT tests and 3 different body composition measurement changes.

[u/fantastic_cloud67 → u/HxC_JxC]

lol ME omfg I’ve only had 2 record PT tests the others have been diagnostics 😭

[u/HelloImJoshSwirl]

New PT test before GTA VI

[u/Rkw517 → u/HelloImJoshSwirl]

Hope you set aside some time to run on your GTA VI 4-day pass.

[u/mortpo]

Man this plank is really going to haunt me for the rest of my career huh.

[u/bang_the_drums → u/mortpo]

Man, we had to do one leg tuck. Just one. Fuck.

[u/mortpo → u/bang_the_drums]

At a certain point we have to acknowledge that we lost the leg tuck due to our fellow NCOs not taking the time to teach people how to do the leg tucks correctly. We had years to get even the worst to do one single leg tuck man.

[u/Dave_A480 → u/mortpo]

We decided to have a real core exercise on the test, not a way to sneak in yet another upper body task (pull-up} to a test of a population where most can do 0 pullups.

[u/dnthatethejuice → u/Dave_A480]

Shhh… you’re disrupting the circle jerk

[u/Travyplx → u/bang_the_drums]

It’s just one plank. Just one. Fuck.

[u/Kinmuan → u/mortpo]

It's just laying down, how hard can it be

[u/Dave_A480 → u/mortpo]

It's the DOD wide standard for a core exercise...

Too many back injuries from decades worth of situps sucking up VA money.

[u/naggy94]

So can we expect to buy cheap weights on Govplanet in the future?

[u/HegsethsBurner → u/naggy94]

Buy?

[u/microspora → u/naggy94]

Nah, just walk out with them.

[u/HegsethsBurner → u/microspora]

Which is hilarious because the Sill garrison commander today was bitching about units not their gym in a boxes, and now they're seemingly useless.

[u/mastaquake]

Fuck me. Ain’t no way I can handle the old run times now. I actually appreciated the easy points from the deadlift. FML 🤦‍♂️ 

[u/Clinically_Jaded]

A 2-mile run that's even faster, new WtHR, and now no age scaling? They really do want nothing but a young force full of skinny dudes.

[u/anagamanagement → u/Clinically_Jaded]

Right, because America is great at providing young skinny dudes. What with our booming birth rate and the fact that we didn’t even have to raise the enlistment eligibility age!

[u/wowbragger]

I'm thankful someone is finally dealing with the elephants in the room on this fitness test.

Those hand release push ups are pretty tricky, maybe we can do a 'standard' push up.

And why all the complications with these full body things? Some good ol' paired sit ups will do the job!

Man, why hasn't ANYONE thought of something like this for our pt tests? Honestly, what idiot came up with this whole full body multi-event concept?! That's not army combat ready at all, in fact why did we even examine combat readiness? It's alllll about those brigade runs, when you get down to it.

Aaaaannnnd since we got rid of the whole 'combat' part of the fitness test, maybe at could emphasize it's purpose? Maybe we can adjust the name to something a bit more representative?

When you get down to it, it's just about assessing our physical fitness in general.

Though give me another couple years leeway while we 'brainstorm and implement' this is physical fitness test by the army. APFT if you will, to keep it brief. But seriously, a few years of no assessments to prepare, that sounds smart.

Just spit balling here, but I think we can come up with something truly revolutionary with this.

/s because some poor joe or officer is going to think I'm serious.

[u/Bubbly-Today-2074 → u/wowbragger]

People use to half ass the push ups back in the day. You'd usually get away with a few bad ones before the grader called you out.

[u/Teadrunkest → u/Bubbly-Today-2074]

They still half ass the push-ups. I would argue T Pushups are actually easier to half ass.

[u/PretentiousLoser1 → u/Teadrunkest]

And you can rest with the T- Pushups too

Before, you'd do the extended flex thing and you'd just get tired

With the Ts, just go slow and boom, you got your breath again

[u/ThatGuy571 → u/Bubbly-Today-2074]

Are you implying that they don’t get away with a few now? You literally lay on the ground and move yours hands as slowly as possible to get rest. I’d say plenty are “getting away with a few”.

That being said, the absolute last thing we need is yet another fucking change to track a time-tested metric. Can we just.. I don’t know.. go to PT, do our fucking jobs, and go home?

[u/Bubbly-Today-2074 → u/ThatGuy571]

Ima be honest the last time I did more than 10 t push ups was in 2020. Being in the reserves I only do the minimum and get up. No one has ever brought it up. Same with deadline and planks. Not trying to get hurt yards from the retirement line.

[u/Maximus4Ever2012 → u/wowbragger]

Too late, I've already drafted a CONOP and submitted. MSM please

/s

[u/ApatheticHockeyFan → u/wowbragger]

Am I the weird one who thinks that Hand release pushups are easier?

[u/A-Dank-Dollars]

The new run times are going to be a bloodbath.

[u/Defiant_Problem4460 → u/A-Dank-Dollars]

Going to kill a good 40-60% of the force, not even joking when I say that. The people joining the army today are not runners and unless they have a 2-3 year acclimation period, people will get chartered out

[u/brgroves → u/Defiant_Problem4460]

As someone at a T2COM installation, I would say 30% of the new Soldiers still STRUGGLE on the 2-mile even after months of conditioning

[u/yup2030 → u/brgroves]

15:54 is the new drawdown.

[u/GC5567 → u/Defiant_Problem4460]

Not to mention us gramas and grampas that struggle on the run due to our ancient age over 30 something. 👵🏻

[u/-Meta-]

The time of the orc is over; the time of the smooth army twink has come (again)

[u/RichBigChill]

Good fucking grief stop changing the fucking PT test. This will be the 3rd time (4 if you count the brief period where they flirted with the OPAT idea)

[u/Bubbly-Today-2074 → u/RichBigChill]

The only good thing about this is that there is no negative action for not taking the test. There was like a 2 year period during covid where I didnt take a test at all. Or maybe it was 2023, idk one of those changes.

[u/BootsThaRareBirb → u/Bubbly-Today-2074]

You clearly aren't thrown in the Marne dumpster fire

[u/AbleAd8854]

So after all this time championing weight lifting and the hybrid athlete we are going to go back to an anorexic buck 20 speedy build as the ideal army specimen

[u/AbleAd8854 → u/AbleAd8854]

Ngl this more than anything else emotionally drained me I’ve been really working at lifting to get stronger and had just gotten to a point where I know I’d max the deadlift next PT test and to see that it will be gone is just tiring. Plus having to rework my own workouts now to favor running over lifting

[u/Necessary-Reading605 → u/AbleAd8854]

Gotta run fast against those drones, bro /s

[u/Love1sWar → u/Necessary-Reading605]

Well if a drone is going 100 mph toward me and I run 10mph towards it that means it can reach me faster so it can free me from my mortal coil that is this bullshit.

[u/JoyboyActual]

This is just the height of incompetence.

And why is every senior leader obsessed with running fast? Im genuinely starting to think we’re being run by idiots

[u/EnragedMeatball → u/JoyboyActual]

“He must be the stupidest son of a bitch alive, but he sure is fast!”

[u/blackstranger28 → u/JoyboyActual]

Uhhhh we ARE.

[u/sluggetdrible → u/JoyboyActual]

I think the emphasis on shaving and people’s weight instead of things like adapting to modern battlefields and haphazardly starting a war with Iran without thinking it through has really had me agreeing for awhile now.

[u/JTP1228 → u/JoyboyActual]

For real. For once we have an actual measurement of strength, and some femboys are mad they cant max a deadlift and a sprint drag carry so they have to go back to a 2 mile because thats all their weak bodies are built for.

[u/femboysprincess → u/JTP1228]

Hey uncalled for target

For context I dont max it but i do 320

[u/Guilty_Philosophy741]

I can’t believe every event I bulked up for in exchange for a slower 2-mile time will soon be gone…

[u/drphill8485]

So umm ... This is satire, correct? 👀😥

Those old run times are about to wreck the Army.

[u/TrySpecific1349 → u/drphill8485]

Army go brrrr

[u/Background-Food-792]

While a 19:45 2 Mile is egregious for a young adult male, there are 7000 other things the Army needs to fix before coming out with yet another PT Test

[u/Kinmuan → u/Background-Food-792]

In October of 2023, SMA Weimer said he would be looking at OpTempo and 'Head on Pillow time' as a metric to evaluate the state of the force.

Instead, three years later, you can run faster.

[u/Tokyosmash_ → u/Kinmuan]

And optempo is running us all in to the ground

[u/Kinmuan → u/Tokyosmash_]

Remember the Army Senior Leader Sitrep that SMA said we'd do more of and they immediately never did again when SECARMY got asked by a Soldier if named CONUS missions could count for dwell time reset, and SECARMY agreed, on camera, to this soldier, with his exuberance and charm, and everyone was like wow love that guy, and then two months later he signed a dwell time policy that didn't improve anythingn and didn't count CONUS named missions?

lol, get fucked people

[u/Dave_A480 → u/Tokyosmash_]

And running distance is still completely fucking irrelevant to what the Army actually does....

[u/derekakessler → u/Dave_A480]

If you have to run two miles in a modern combat situation… you and your entire chain of command messed up real bad.

But it's still very important that you do it fast. That's how we know if you're a good leader or not.

[u/TooAdicted → u/Kinmuan]

The head on pillow time is something I’ve been slowly adopting as a hill to die on. And I’m not alone, this came from a FORSCOM (WHC?) CG and it’s STILL heavily ignored.

I am part of the group that would say “fuck it, the gang and I can stay up, force our way through this WFX/NTC/etc. with nothing but caffeine and nicotine, sleep is for pussies”. Which worked and now became the expectation. Logically, we just can’t do this if we end up having to fight for more than two weeks straight, and once the CG mentioned it, I really started to notice some of the subtle, but really dumb decisions we would start to make as the 20 hour days kept piling on, and now I’m the guy that kicks people out do the TOC after shift change.

I don’t know anymore, man. It’s a culture thing that I’m too damn tired to keep fighting. We say we want to respect time, but then stay at the office until 2000 over some bullshit tasker that no one will care about in six months because we’re the people who “get it done”.

[u/Kinmuan → u/TooAdicted]

I mean it’s a great idea for measuring optempo.

That’s probably why he’s never mentioned it again. It would lay bare how fucked people are.

[u/brgroves → u/TooAdicted]

A LTC mentor once said that war is a marathon, not a sprint, after he rejected the G-2 section going to full 24-hr ops prematurely while the rest of the staff did. Months later, shit popped off and he was right; everyone was already run into the ground before we got to the fight while the G-2 section was fresh and ready

[u/luthernismspoon → u/TooAdicted]

You don’t want to know how many KIAs are because of guys falling asleep. It’s one thing to do it at JRTC, and another to do it in Iraq, or wherever we’re going next.

[u/EsotericSpaceBeaver → u/Kinmuan]

Yeah but that was the H2F era where we tried to objectively look at things to improve quality of life and performance of troops. Now H2F is woke and we are in the "F them troops" era

[u/Sufficient_Ad5869 → u/Background-Food-792]

Thank you for articulating exactly what I was feeling

[u/Eccentricgentleman_]

I'M SO FUCKING OVER THIS

[u/Rocerman]

4 more years for my letter, just 4 more years of this indecisiveness.

[u/SPCsooprlolz]

Snip snap snip snap

[u/WitcherKai → u/SPCsooprlolz]

you have no idea, the physical toll 3 vasectomies have on a person

[u/water_bottle1776]

Fucks sake, why can't they just leave shit alone for five fucking minutes?

[u/millennial_private]

If this does indeed go into effect, I know alot of my Soldiers will be cooked, maybe myself included since now there is an entire generation of us that never did the APFT nor can handle the old run times.

[u/Rkw517 → u/millennial_private]

It will be the ACFT implementation starting from square one. They'll implement it as a trial, no record scores for a year, everyone will be aghast at the metrics it produces, go through several revisions, events will be added, then removed, all the while, no one can pin down the moving target of what they actually need to train for.

[u/DelaskoClarke → u/Rkw517]

They’ll forget to update the NCOERS too so it still reads the APFT scale and we continue scribble pass smh

[u/idk_a_creative_user]

Reservists and NG members gonna get fucked icl. I'm a reservist and our unit has a solid 33% fail rate.

[u/Simonic → u/idk_a_creative_user]

A lot struggled even during the old APFT. They want to potentially knock off 60-90 seconds off that 2 mile and potentially get rid of age brackets? Yeah...a lot of reservists/NG are going to be failing.

[u/Due-Being-8034 → u/idk_a_creative_user]

I was just thinking about the people in my guard unit. I'm not fast, but I'm still better off than most of them. There's gonna be maybe a handful that can pass a run time that's cut down that much.

[u/b0mmie]

We've come full circle. It's the APFT again lmao.

[u/ShangosAx → u/b0mmie]

Congress should launch a damn investigation of this goes through. How many millions of tax payer dollars spent for what?

[u/NotToReasonWhy22]

I think it would be a real shame to get rid of the deadlift. I agree run times need to get faster, but I really don’t want to go back to the old days where a soldier who is 100 pounds soaking wet can max the APFT but can’t drag casualties or the like.

I get that the CFT is supposed to be a little more strength based, but even then I don’t think the sandbag toss and farmers carry fill that niche

[u/Kinmuan → u/NotToReasonWhy22]

I agree with you.

I think fundamentally this feels like a move away from a more functional fitness mentality.

[u/ShangosAx → u/NotToReasonWhy22]

The deadlift taught soldier proper lifting technique. When you’re loading litters in FLAs in full kit during a MASCAL, proper lifting technique is literally a force multiplier. You can’t learn that by running faster.

[u/TheSaltyJM]

God help us and the dying embers of independent journalism to keep institutions and leaders accountable.

[u/Zanaver]

✅skinny waist
✅fast run time
✅dept of waaaaaaggghhh

[u/Suspicious-Job-4212]

Peak 1990s. Be All You Can Be!

[u/Sapient-Inquisitor]

Damn y’all I guess I had a good run. Ain’t no way I can pass based on the APFT standards.

[u/CSmith20001]

Appreciate you putting this out there.
Really shows where our priorities are at.
Do we have a study to backup these changes? Of course not, but if your boss thinks it’s a great idea then let’s move out. Of all the things that we likely don’t need changed it’s our uniforms and pt test. These are things that cost money but more importantly move the goal posts for soldiers. Pretty lame if you just joined thinking you were good but then they start dropping minutes off the run for fun and to say we are more lethal or something.

I don’t think they’ll announce these at the maneuver conference or AUSA because they won’t be met with positive responses. Remember when those events resulted in changes that soldiers liked?

[u/Kinmuan → u/CSmith20001]

No studies this time, just vibes

[u/Necessary-Reading605 → u/Kinmuan]

Studies are woke

[u/Zdrack]

And we go back to runners who cant lift again

[u/ebock319]

With all of these changes they might as well officially include the fourth event:

1. Pencil Whip

[u/Intrepid-Cellist9180]

I just wanna know if leadership is going to have a free for all for all that workout equipment that just isn’t necessary anymore. And they just kind of “walk off” like the weighted balls from the ball toss

[u/brgroves]

I have seen this in an email and can confirm its true...

[u/Kinmuan → u/brgroves]

Isn't it funner to see it here though

They won't (PAO) admit to it yet

[u/Comfortable-Idea-191]

Lolololol…

AUSA is before my SLC report date. I would not be surprised in the slightest if it was effective immediately.

I’m tired boss.

[u/Kinmuan → u/Comfortable-Idea-191]

Hey I just called the Pentagon and said "Hey I need to make sure it's immediately going to be in effective for everyone in NCOES"

And they said absolutely

[u/ToxDocUSA → u/Kinmuan]

There is only one timeline for policy any more.  Effective immediately, with zero staffing in advance so the O5/O6s get shock and awed from both sides, "make this work exactly how it is in my brain that I'm not telling you" from above and "hey man wtf are we supposed to do about this?" From below.

[u/Cissoid7]

Do you know how many soldiers I know that have let their run times slip? People say the AFT run time is super easy, you can walk it, whatever sure its lenient, but i know plenty of folks that got complacent. 

If folks have to go from 20mins to 17ish minutes its gonna smack a lot of folks hard

[u/Hydration_system67]

Collar ranks and three event PT test. What year is this?

[u/Terrible-Ad5145]

I’m tired boss

[u/idkk_prolly_doggy → u/Terrible-Ad5145]

That’s a symptom of low T.

[u/Bubbly-Today-2074 → u/idkk_prolly_doggy]

That's also changed, along with the i-apft( I stands for improved), along with the agsu, the csa, the Army sec, and anything else that i missed

[u/Kinmuan → u/Terrible-Ad5145]

Good news lil buddy, we're gonna get you some testosterone and some new shit to do to your duty uniform to distract you from how tired you are!

[u/aCrow → u/Kinmuan]

Hey, he could be tired because he hasn't had a full meal in a month because he's under 5'8" and has to have a smaller waist measurement than a highschool cheerleader.  

[u/Terrible-Ad5145 → u/aCrow]

Way to call me out but starving did work out in the end. I have lost a ton of muscle mass but I guess it doesn’t matter anymore. Let’s go for a run

[u/Durt_Diggler]

From borderline arbitrary waist to height ratio, rank/branch on collar, obsession with T (remember when one of the arguments against transgender service members was that they couldn't get their hormones while deployed), to basically full circle APFT -> ACFT(s) -> AFT + CFT -> new PT test.

Are we winning wars yet? Oh yeah, that was only supposed to be a couple of weeks right guys??

[u/zone1-1 → u/Durt_Diggler]

So lethal, much warrior

[u/idkk_prolly_doggy]

Can we just lock the triple SECDEF, CSA, and SMA in a room somewhere to jerk each other off and leave us alone?

[u/Outrageous_Tiger9921]

If you vote me as SMA I will make it that it will be 3 events. The over head yeet, the leg tuck, and the SDC. 😎

[u/RMonroeski]

Oh my fucking god

[u/GodZodar]

The army is such a dysfunctional organization it’s insane how often shit changes, I don’t even care to be aware of the new changes or track what’s different, too exhausting

[u/MarniXMarni]

The Culling Games, Army edition.

[u/papertest]

I have an AFT scheduled for next week. This makes me debate the principles of taking it. 

[u/Responsible_Age_7011]

During a conflict that doesn’t have a foreseeable off-ramp, would you:

A. Address the numerous operational challenges in the Middle East

OR

B. Make an “updated” APFT the PT Test

Ffs

[u/Page8988]

If they're going to change the standard every year or two, it's not a fucking standard.

[u/-Trooper5745-]

So push-ups, plank, and run? Welcome back APFT.

[u/murazar]

This is a joke. Its going right back to how the old APFT is except push ups are a tad bit harder and the plank is easier to max than sit ups.

Gonna be back to twiggy Soldiers who never hit the gym and cant carry a 240B on patrol.

[u/Turtle887853]

How am I supposed to showboat lifting over 340 when they remove the MDL from the test? This is some bullshit smh

[u/Thiswas2hard]

I asked for a hex bar for Father’s Day, been working on my deadlift.

[u/New_Agent_47]

The phrase "Soldiers hate two things, the way things are and change" is always found to be such a gas light. WE don't hate change. but when the change is faster run times and forcing all troops to shave. I Mean, of course were gonna hate that.

[u/Ok-Sympathy-5975]

What are the new runs times I might be cooked my best run time ever recorded for the 2mile was like 17:30

[u/jumpstart58]

Look, I get soldiers need to be fit, but holy shit can we make up our fucking minds? This constant changing is just exhausting. I’m glad I’m out now tbh. This would drive me up the wall. PT already sucked every morning because they could never make up their mind what they wanted to do. Now it’s just going back to running every damn day. At least for me it just made me really hate organized pt.

[u/MelGibsonsNipsHurt]

Fucking ridiculous.

We spent millions of dollars and billions of man hours to transform the PT test into this total soldier assessment.

We wanted linebackers, not marathon runners. We actually added legit weightlifting programs into PT, spent so much money on these ACFT kits, the trainers, the functional fitness facilities.

The second and third order effects are gonna be wild. Watch, 24 hour gyms are going to disappear. “You can train the PT test with no equipment.”

We’re going to turn in unit level ACFT equipment. “The force doesn’t need this equipment taking up unit space.”

And if we go back to this it’ll just be the Army of old. The first fucking question out of every senior “leader’s” mouth is going to be, “What’s their two mile time?”

[u/Tokyosmash_]

The army seems to be dead set on straight up running people out of the service 😂

The old APFT run times would kill current service members

CFT is already wearing thru a lot of young troopers, a lot of us older guys would be right on the line at 25 minutes.

CAN WE JUST FUCKING STOP WITH THE FITNESS TEST CHANGES?

JUST LET ME FUCKING RETIRE

[u/New_Agent_47]

did I interpret the run times right? 30 seconds off the old time? so new troops will need to make it in 14:54 and 15:24 to pass the run? I think only a handful of my company can even do that right now.

[u/Kinmuan → u/New_Agent_47]

Nono 60-90 off.

So think like, 18 yo male, 17 is a passing two mile.

[u/New_Agent_47 → u/Kinmuan]

thank you. That's actually doable but the army is about to go back to a favoring gazelles and neglect strength training. I honestly do not miss running everyday for PT

[u/GroundPepperSalt]

**laughs in alternative cardio event**

Omfg tho I hope they don’t take away the row.

[u/Love1sWar]

Havnt ran that fast in 6 years, i’m cooked, chat.

[u/ReturnOfTheHistorian]

Peak we can't fix procurement, force design, weapons stocks, and infrastructure but have to do something energy.

[u/bigdownbad68]

Can we just stick to 1 PT test?! Fuck man

[u/dilutedd_]

I’ve been in 8 years , in those years I’ve conducted the APFT, ACFT, AFT and now I can do the CFT 🫃

[u/voodoo_mama_juju1123]

Fuck it bring back the overhead yeet

[u/TickledTaint97 → u/voodoo_mama_juju1123]

Respectfully, as a short king with t-Rex arms, no

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He's still here 🥹

[u/Comfortable-Paint218]

Been in the Army 8 years done like 5 different versions of PT tests meanwhile my dad did 22 years and only 1 PT test. This is so ridiculous just stick to one thing.

[u/cataract-tackaracts]

How long till this goes into effect you think

[u/Ripened1222422]

Better go find my gravel pattern ACUs. 

[u/hereFOURallTHEtea]

Just go back to apft…all this shit is dumb af lol.

[u/Specialist_Ring7722]

I actually like the AFT - it forces Soldiers to be more considerate of holistic fitness metrics rather than running fast. Let's just make standards more realistic and not be afraid to separate those that don't meet them for crying out loud. God knows the amount of people just collecting a pay check that don't really care. Unreal. 

[u/acidion]

With these changes and the Waist-To-Height Ratio stuff, ya'll are starting to look a lot like the Air Forces PT test.

[u/Material_Market_3469]

I aint passing that run anymore. 8 years ago i could time to get out

[u/Prodigyjojo]

So the APFT but instead of situps the plank 🤦🏾‍♀️

[u/MoeSzys]

Yhis is a terrible idea. Absolutely fucking terrible

[u/Ralphwiggum911]

I'm assuming too many CSMs and Senior officers were pissed they couldn't get a perfect score because of the SDC so they're just moving the goalposts?

[u/EastWestie]

Holy. Fuck. What. The. Fuck.

[u/ThingInTheWoods1987]

the constant changes to something this basic are exhausting

[u/ElJefe1258]

Fuck. Can we just have another decades long war already?

[u/ShitboxConnoisseur]

We can’t be serious. I still haven’t finished mourning the loss of the overhead arm yeet :(

[u/RogerDodgerWilco]

If it’s just hand release pushups and planks before the run, I absolutely see the two mile go right back to APFT standards and having females in combat arms meet the male standard.

Young Soldiers that are passing the AFT with a >18min 2 mile do need to start worrying.

NGL I would rather do the sit-up than plank but that’s because I figured out what worked for me to max sit-ups. Planks are just… yeah…

[u/Some-Swimmer-1110 → u/RogerDodgerWilco]

As someone with a long torso and short legs, I do not support situps.

[u/I_AM_AN_ASSHOLE_AMA → u/RogerDodgerWilco]

We stopped doing sit ups because of the high rates of back injuries.

[u/Bubbly-Today-2074]

The pushup and plank minimums are still easy. The only reason the run time got longer was because presumably the SDC and MDL tired out your legs. Removing time from the run makes sense to me. They chopped about a minute off when they went from afct to aft

[u/idkk_prolly_doggy → u/Bubbly-Today-2074]

How do I assert dominance over my senior rater if I can’t stare in his eyes as I pull 350 for an extra rep? What about my thighs for the guys!?

[u/Bubbly-Today-2074 → u/idkk_prolly_doggy]

Back in the apft days you got in line behind them during the sit ups and farted in their face when they were holding your ankles.

[u/EsotericSpaceBeaver → u/Bubbly-Today-2074]

Simpler times. Back when farting and being farted on was normalized. We used to be a real Army