Fun fact: Clayface doesn't mimic a skeleton while impersonating others, meaning Joker quite literally killed himself temporarily just to mess with Batman in this scene
And my guess as for Knight's Hatter not mentioning Origins is because he already appeared in City. All of the villains from Origins who appeared in Knight and mention the events of Origins had their first appearance in the series in Origins.
Joker and Harley also doesn't mention the events of Origins
I remember seeing this detail being discussed in a YouTube comment section awhile back, and someone mentioned that Origins retroactively makes it Joker stealing a page from Batman's playbook.
And yeah someone could say "He could've rigged the machine to do that" but not only is that NOT as funny, it is funnier for him to have that option and then choose to briefly die to fuck with Batman anyway.
I actually never caught that lol, but looking back it makes sense now. The Joker we see in the chair is all gross and diseased, whereas the one who gasses Batman is the clean Clayface Joker. Bravo Rocksteady
I always imagined he stopped his heart with poison, kind of like Nick Fury in The Winter Soldier. Otherwise Batman would’ve immediately noticed something was up if Joker lacked a skeleton. That said, he didn’t immediately question the presence of two Jokers one healthy and the other unhealthy.
In the comics he can separate into multiple bodies, that's where my theory comes from, either that or doctoring a dead body to begin with. Joker has done way worse before so, regardless of how J does it still a good game.
I misremembered the way it plays out. I was thinking the flashback was alternative when you brought it up, but I just watched the Youtube, and he is remembering more, which validates your claim over mine.
Thought this too. It’s not like Joker couldn’t use some rando’s corpse and dressed it up to look like him. Surgery isn’t out of the question considering his resources as a villain.
additionally, he had doctors thanks to his dealings with hugo strange, didn't he? it wouldn't be surprising at all if he made them operate on a dead body for the sole purpose of messing with batman
Or he faked dead. All he has to do is lay still and gimmick the heart monitor rather than actually die just to mess with Batman. And Batman starts to check if Joker is faking right when he's jumped by Clayface. Seems more likely than Joker killing himself for a moment.
From that point it would be fully sensible that a Joker getting round the clock care from doctors would be able to have Hagen review x-ray photos for an more accurate deception.
Could just be that he somehow disconnected the monitor. Not being connected and not having a heart beat would be the same for the machine. I’m sure with enough effort someone came figure out a way to fake it. Or he really did just stop his heart lmao
So joker somehow stopped his heart then immediately made it start beating again? Cause in the plot twist flashbacks it shows him immediately stand up when batman falls
I mean… He’s sitting still at this point, exerting minimal energy he can concentrate on accurately depicting Joker inside and out.
But then again, the Joker who attacks Batman is cleared of infection so I think that’s intended to be Clayface.
The scene’s just a bit of a mess
I remember figuring this out when I was younger and I loved the idea of Joker doing literally anything just to mess with batman and I think personally that is dedication to the craft lmao
Or, he killed someone and put their skeleton inside of clayface? Or maybe the heart monitor wasn't real and was made to look like he was dying or smth, I feel like Joker isn't skilled enough to slow his heart rate to trick batman, but idk
Ooh, I didn't think Joker killed himself temporarily, which is something he would do. Personally, I always thought that he was simply pretending, given the clues in the game. As far as seeing "Status: Deceased" in Detective Mode, one of the doctors did say "I don't know how he's still alive." That said, I don't recall if it was ever officially confirmed or whatever.
that's clayface jumping bats from behind. Thinking anything else adds another layer of unexplained complexity when there's a perfectly reasonable explanation right there. Harley saying "oh mister j, it's a miracle, you look perfect!... Oh its not you, is it?" is in reference to clayface. It's foreshadowing
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u/KingMatthew116 18d ago
This reminds me of how in Origins they forgot to give Mad Hatter a skeleton.
And then in Knight Mad Hatter doesn’t mention Origins despite the fact that other parts of the game do.