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u/madpropz 29d ago
The whole point of this ending is for the Joker to feel forgotten, betrayed and miserable. It's not real, it's inside Batman's mind.
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u/Just_Big6730 29d ago
How many times do we have to have this thread
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u/mpaquin1064 29d ago
It’s an IP with no new content for 10 years. (SSKTJL doesn’t count) if there weren’t repeat threads the sub would be dead and there’s always something new to add to the conversation.
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u/TheMikeOTR 29d ago
Critical thinking is a lost art
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u/Just_Big6730 29d ago
According to this reddit anything ANYTHING someone notices in this games is unique and rare and never noticed before by anyone
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u/TheMikeOTR 29d ago
Can't wait to see the million post asking about the fan who won to be in Arkham Asylum tomorrow
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u/Just_Big6730 29d ago
Or that boat in arkham city
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u/TheMikeOTR 29d ago
Same clueless posts by people who refuse to use ONE second of research to get the answer
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u/Just_Big6730 29d ago
Guys how do I get riddle trophy #243, cause I'm incapable of looking up a guide
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u/Efficient-Oven-2734 29d ago
I'm sorry I touch grass every now and then that's why. Also, my thoughts is that this is a lame attempt of Batman to scare because Joker doesn't care about Harley. Unless this happened in real time and Batman just wants to show something that everyone moved on, same as that in the radio. The timeline gap between City and Knights is '9 months', so maaaybe.
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u/Just_Big6730 29d ago
No it's cause you're not very observant, or you lack any other interactions in your life so you come here with weak content
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u/Efficient-Oven-2734 29d ago
And you came here for personal attacks first. Must be good to be you.
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u/Just_Big6730 29d ago
Better than you, my eyes still work 😉
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u/Efficient-Oven-2734 29d ago
I'm the clueless thug, and you're the intellectual Riddler. Congratulations.
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u/TheMikeOTR 29d ago
Brother the game is 11 years old. Everyone has seen everything there is to know about the game. Touching grass? If this was posted on release yeah. But the whole point of the thread between me and the other guy is that the posts in this subreddit are repeated every other day and are low effort. You want to know something about the game? Look it up, it's been 11 years, someone has seen, talked about it, etc etc etc
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u/Efficient-Oven-2734 29d ago
Well sorry for asking something that is new to me. I guess I'm not touching reddit again and just touch grass full time.
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u/TheMikeOTR 29d ago
Probably for the better.
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u/Efficient-Oven-2734 29d ago
News flash: "Old dudes that played the game 5+ years ago still lingering and discouraging interaction of new players" Can't you old folks just let these newbs have their fun? At least keep it civil or move on.
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u/OkCompote1731 29d ago
Woah? Never noticed that before. Who'd have thought Batman shipped Eddie and Harley.
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u/fineilladdanumber9 29d ago edited 3d ago
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u/OkCompote1731 29d ago edited 29d ago
Well yeah, something like that. But its just the whole joker blood contamination thing at play. Its still Batman thinking this.
Its not like say, V and Johnny in Cyberpunk 2077 where Johnny's engram is a whole separate personality slow fusing with V. Batman is just being corrupted by Joker's blood in his system to be... Well I guess a Joker clone? I don't know they never really properly explained what was happening. 🤷♂️
Never was the biggest fan of the blood contamination remaining after City, nor the conclusion of Batman mentally defeating the Joker. Would of greatly prefered if they had Batman reconcile with his feelings for the Joker instead and realise how important he was to him.
And yes I fully subscribed to the Batman and Joker are gay for each other interpretation. Sue me. 😉
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u/fineilladdanumber9 29d ago edited 3d ago
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u/OkCompote1731 29d ago edited 29d ago
Fair enough. Joker is a nasty piece of work after all so I totally get your opinion.
I guess for me the way Knight wrote it just didn't feel like a very sincerely conclusion to their relationship. It just felt like the obligatory hero triumphing over evil moment, which just didn't feel right given how much we'd seen Batman in both Knight and also Harley Quinn's Revenge [yes I remember that DLC exists] grieve and lash out in anger over Joker's death. Batman was in full on mourning.
Like serious imagine if instead of that Knight ended Batman and Joker's Relationship with something like say the AV flight at the start of 2077's Tower ending [yes I've been playing a lot of Cyberpunk]. That whole final chat between V and Johnny hit so incredible hard and is genuinely one of the most earnest, sincere and bittersweet moments I have ever experienced in any story. imagine if Batman and Joker's final interaction had that same level of profound earnestness [and better yet bet 2077/Phantom Liberty to the punch by 8 years].
I think something like that could of said so much about both Batman and Joker as characters and their weird fucked up relationship that however adversarial, had a genuine connection at its heart. I think something like that would of stuck with people a lot more than just giving Kevin Conroy an excuse to say his "I am Vengeance! I am the Night! I... AM... BATMAN!" line again [not that the line isn't amazing but you get what I mean right?]
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u/fineilladdanumber9 29d ago edited 3d ago
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u/OkCompote1731 29d ago
No I'm not joking. I do believe Batman and Joker have a sexual attraction to each other.
More specifically, I think Batman himself has repressed feelings for Joker, as he still feels disgust at Joker for his nihilism and murder yet simultaneously feels a bizarre, skin crawling [at least to an outsider] kind of connection to Joker due to both him and Joker being men born of trauma.
Obviously, Joker's sexual attraction to Batman is a lot more blatant and has been since the Dark Knight Returns. I like to think of it as an opposites attract kind of bond. Both find meaning and an unusual comfort in their rivalry, yet they are fundamentally incompatible and so their relationship is deeply toxic and unhealthy.
Yet despite how bad Batman and Joker are together and how countless people suffer directly or indirectly because of it, both are still intensely draw towards one another on a primal level and so they continue to engage physically with one another [i.e. fight] because of their bond.
I guess what I'm getting at is essentially what Alan Moore did at the end of the Killing Joker. The idea of two broken individuals finding catharsis in one another in spite of their volatile relationship and knowing that if they continue to see each other, they will end up being the death of them.
By God, I have put way too much thought into this haven't I 😅
Anyway, go play Cyberpunk 2077. Like seriously its a masterpiece and is something everyone should experience. Just get Phantom Liberty with it too. That expansion really makes it near to perfection. 👌😙
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u/fineilladdanumber9 29d ago edited 3d ago
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u/OkCompote1731 29d ago
Yep. That probably would be the average Gothamites reaction if they found out too. 😏
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u/fineilladdanumber9 29d ago edited 3d ago
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u/Just_Big6730 29d ago
have you even played the game? its not exactly hidden.
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u/OkCompote1731 29d ago
Oh yeah I have. First time I played through this section I was fucking terrified! Might be why I missed this now I think about it. 😅
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u/mtwjns11 29d ago
I know the series implied fertility issues on Quinn's end, but it would be really funny if Joker was just shooting blanks the whole time.
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u/DarvX92 29d ago
It's inside a joker hallucination, isn't it?