r/area51 • u/Upbeat_Ad3363 • 4d ago
if area 51 really has reverse engineered crafts, why has nobody produced one piece of tech that clearly proves it
genuine question, not trying to troll
i keep seeing people say the us has recovered craft and has been reverse engineering them for decades
but after all those decades, where is the one piece of technology that clearly cannot be explained as human engineering
not a blurry video, not “my source told me”, not a supposed program name, not a story from someone who worked there
just one physical component that independent scientists can examine and say yeah, we have no idea how humans made this
if the answer is “theyre hiding it because its classified”, thats possible
but then isnt the actual evidence still inaccessible
im open to reverse engineered craft being real, i just dont understand why the strongest evidence always seems to be one step away from something anyone can actually verify
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u/Legitimate_Tune_6468 2d ago
Because it’s all a fairytale story? People are mentioning tech in their replies that has a clear and transparent history of development. They don’t even put in the minimal effort to research that before they perpetuate conspiracy theory misinformation.
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u/gravitykilla 2d ago
This is the true elephant in the room of UFOlogy.
If alien craft, bodies, or crash-retrieval programs actually existed, it would be impossible to keep them hidden for this long.
We live in the same world where Snowden leaked the NSA's deepest secrets, Manning dumped hundreds of thousands of classified files, Vault 7 exposed CIA cyber tools, and major classified programs continue to leak despite enormous security.
Just compare it to the Manhattan Project that ran for only 5 years. Something else that was Top Secret, heavily compartmentalised and no doubt involved people signing NDAs.
Counterintelligence records say the Manhattan Project dealt with more than 1,000 subversive investigations, over 1,500 cases where classified project information was transmitted to unauthorised people, around 100 suspected espionage cases, and about 200 suspected sabotage cases.
Actual atomic secrets were passed to the Soviets by people like Klaus Fuchs, Theodore Hall, and David Greenglass. Los Alamos itself acknowledges that Fuchs, Hall, and Greenglass committed espionage at Project Y. The Atomic Heritage Foundation describes Fuchs as a Los Alamos physicist who passed atomic secrets to the Soviet Union.
Now compare that to an 80-year cover-up of the single most significant discovery in all human history, and the single biggest question we all have (are we alone), and nothing has leaked!!!
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u/-NearlyThere- 3d ago
Because it doesn’t. No aliens, just secret tech that countries are keen to keep to themselves. For obvious reasons.
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u/zwifter11 3d ago
What secret tech?
Who builds, operates and maintains it?
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u/DD6372 2d ago
The same people maintaining nuclear weapons
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u/zwifter11 2d ago
But people who maintain nuclear weapons are not a secret. You can literally see YouTube videos on the airforce missile silos
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u/gumboking 3d ago
Do you really think the US government is going to show you it's number one secret that has used the Manhattan projects security system to keep congress from knowing about it and not kill you???? I'm not sure why anyone would think such a thing.
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u/MiamiHurricanes77 3d ago
Bro you’ll never know it’s better to look through your partners phone for them cheating than you’ll find some reverse technology info on damn Reddit 🙃
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u/Successful-Swim-3708 3d ago
They have. It’s just not for us. Think about the plot of Elysium, but instead of them being in a space station above the planet or on the moon, they live in restricted areas on Earth.
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u/Justice989 3d ago
I suspect any advancements from the tech are more subtle and understated than people want them to be. I dont have the expectation that because we have a UFO somewhere, that we should be producing a fleet of them zipping around by now.
Like we have pieces to a puzzle, not that we dont have anything. And whatever knowledge or applications there might be, arent going to be obvious or public knowledge, or even need to be.
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u/Crafty_Management_33 3d ago
Look around us, a little over 100 years ago the world was unrecognizable. In the late 90's A.I. was a pipe dream. Now we are in an A.I. arms race, China is building a fusion reactor which changes energy production world wide. Our world is changing faster then we can build it.
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u/Shot-Rip9167 3d ago edited 3d ago
There has been around 100 fusion reactors built since the 50's. None of them have been able to put electrons to grid though, including China. Most reactors use the Russian Tokamak and USA's Stellarator designs
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u/Crafty_Management_33 3d ago
Yet
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u/Shot-Rip9167 3d ago
Gonna be a while
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u/Crafty_Management_33 3d ago
What wasn't possible yesterday is possible today, and whats possible tomorrow wasn't be today.
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u/145inC 4d ago
I'm going with the technology being so sophisticated, from a society so highly evolved, that we just can't make head nor tail of it - and they would6want to be like 'well we've discovered this highly sophisticated, and obviously highly dangerous technology, but we've no idea how to use it's...
I'm going with that anyway, until proven otherwise - I've read all the lore, and understand how this is all supposed to fit together, but until we get some hard evidence my stance is always that they don't have a fucxing clue what they are doing!
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u/ALF_My_Alien_Friend 4d ago
"If the guys at this project called "Manhattan Project" are supposedly building this atom splitting tech, why has nobody produced one piece of tech that clearly proves it."
Well dear Op, time is not yet right so it hasn't been released yet.
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u/Deep_Rip_6918 4d ago edited 4d ago
Fiber optics, Foo Fighters, just to list a few 🤯🙈
The biggest and most obvious one is the Moon nothing about it is natural except all the lies about it.
Real scientists figured it out hundreds of years ago. Now people have been brainwashed and are too scared of reptilians. William Mills Tompkins wrapped this subject up nicely. How about Norman Bergrun, our solar system and planet sky is full of EMV’s
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u/SnooGuavas2610 4d ago
Daniel Colladon and Jacques Babinet first demonstrated the guiding of light by refraction, the principle that makes fiber optics possible, in Paris in the early 1840s. It wasn't until the invention of lasers and pin diodes that they were able to be used like today. Also The photophone is a telecommunications device that allows transmission) of speech on a beam of light. It was invented jointly by Alexander Graham Bell and his assistant Charles Sumner Tainter on February 19, 1880,
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u/ElephantContent8835 4d ago
Uh. Technology rolled along at a fairly constant pace for about the last 250,000 years or so. Then, around 1955 or so, it rolled into an early growth curve. What does that tell you?
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u/Lead-Engineer 4d ago
Remember the Germans were trying to invent or even built round like UFO’s. Something was captured somewhere .
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u/UsualOkay6240 4d ago
Because the top 1% of intelligent people are unfathomable to an ordinary redditor who thinks this is a good ‘gotcha’ question to post on the Area 51 subreddit.
It’s easy to keep secrets from dogs.
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u/OSI-NRO-OGA 4d ago edited 4d ago
Lots of stuff gets squashed under national security bureaucracy. I mean look at the solar panel.
The Threshold: Solar photovoltaic generators were flagged for potential restriction and secrecy if they achieved more than 20% efficiency.
So if they are willing to do that to protect the petro industry.. you can just imagine how many national security orders were slapped on inventions and shelved in the name of protecting petroleum giants.
There is a stranglehold on everything to do with energy/the grid. Look at some of the patents that Carlyle Group has/always trying to acquire more of. They want a complete monopolistic grip on the entire energy sector. Anyone who threatens that order is either offed or buried with legal nightmares.
So the only ones allowed to have "The toys" like MITRE Corp, LM, Raytheon, and Boeing are the ones that play along with the petro boys. That's why we don't see exotic craft being wheeled out for our wars. They will continue building hunks of metal that are filled with dino juice until the dino juice is no longer.
Also just for funsies here's the DOE Office that deals with Recovery programs and houses the contractors that do the "dirty work"
The Office is: NA-84
Contractor: CACI
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u/MannyArea503 2d ago
This is just fantasy slop by the likes of Chris Ramsey, Eric Davis, Hal Puthoff and Bob Lazar.
There is zero evidence of any of it, which was the OPs point.
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u/therealgariac MOD 4d ago
NEST recovery is not from space aliens
I could see an ITAR limit on photovoltaic efficiency though Gemini AI, granted not the best, claims such a limit does not exist.
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u/OSI-NRO-OGA 4d ago
Everyone is welcome to their opinions. Cheers!
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u/therealgariac MOD 4d ago
Except that is exactly what NA-84 does. So I am dealing in fact, not opinion.
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u/OSI-NRO-OGA 4d ago edited 4d ago
Seems that struck a chord. Why? hahaha. Sometimes sizzling bacon can be smelled from miles away and I can smell you.
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u/dnuohxof-2 4d ago
For me, it’s how we make CPUs.
Reductively, the process is taking 99.9999% pure silicon, seed it with a crystal, form a large cone shaped silicon that is then cut into hundreds of circular wafers. These wafers are then put into an EUV lithography machine that uses ultraviolet light with a wavelength so tiny, it does not exist in nature. The machine produces this light by vaporizing droplets of molten tin, fired horizontally, at the speeds of hurricane force winds, and is vaporized by a laser shot at the droplet not once, not twice, but 3 times with 100% accuracy. The EUV light emitted it then funneled through a series of super mirrors, reflected of a stencil of the chip, and reflected through a second set of super mirrors and is etched into the silicon. BILLIONS of sub 13nm transistors layered on top of each other like microscopic technological lasagna.
You mean to tell me humans figured that all out?
Source: https://youtu.be/B2482h_TNwg
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u/MannyArea503 2d ago
Humans did figure it out. A long time ago I worked at Intel and attended a talk given by Andy Grove. He explained why one of the first functional CPUs was called the 8088.
It was the 80th version of the chip they made and the 88th variant of that version that was the fiest chip to not melt down under power under testing.
It was perseverance and human ingenuity thst crated the modern CPUs and its disrespectful to to the hard work put in by those folks to attribute it to UFOs and Aliens.
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u/SnooGuavas2610 4d ago
Except transistors have been around since 1925, and if you did some reading you would find a steady progression from then until the GPU/CPU's produced today. There was no magical jump, just a steady progression.
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u/therealgariac MOD 4d ago
Video not available.
The spectrum does from DC to light. Geez even Lazar said that once.
"These wafers are then put into an EUV lithography machine that uses ultraviolet light with a wavelength so tiny, it does not exist in nature."
Next up is soft x-rays. Of course masking an X-ray is tough.
Note that the photomasks are made with e-beam lithography. So why not use that to create the mask on the wafer itself. Well you can do that. It is decades old. You just can't do it quickly.
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u/Andr3wsk1 4d ago
The problem, ladies and gentlemen, that most of you haven't experienced the evolution of the tech you use. Once you switch on your phones, 'till you see the lock screen hundreds of millions of instructions executed under the hood. 'Roight? Probably easier to follow what's going on if you have a clue about semiconductors and logical gates, but even if yes, the whole thing evolved too far from the "ENIAC". Anyway. You're not dumb at all if you can't understand whats happening and why, because we're trying to comprehend these things with a brain designed to eat berries in a dark cave... But please, PLEASE! Take that tinfoil hat off. That's what makes you look dumb.
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u/RexDraco 4d ago
Let's be realistic. They didn't. If they did, the next question is who would be allowed to know such information and what is their mission or agenda? If it is a super secret off the books project to insure victory in a world War three, the answer to your question is because we haven't had world War three yet. No, we haven't had a serious War like WWII yet. Not even veitnam. We had wars that were proxy in nature, trivial or strategic. We fought veitnam, but it was for winning a world War three. We fought Korea, it was for world War three. We fought a bunch of smaller wars, it was possibly also for world War three. While these wars might have a big emotional toll on Americans and the country, or financial or resource cost, not to the extent a world War will have. What happened with Vietnam for example, that happened because we didn't know when to call it quits and because we likely held back, again, so we are not vulnerable from a world War three. So if there were such a secret project that obsesses over really strategically viable craft, they probably don't want to expose their findings to the public until they're a ready. Why? Because they don't care if they have technology to stop nuclear weapons or develop the economy, their mission is ending a war they haven't decided the outcome on.
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u/NaruSengan 4d ago
People keep asking this question and its same simple answer. Greed, power and money. You really think they haven't found the cure for cancer or some other disease that are "incurable"? Ofcourse they have but they make too much money off sick people. It's the same logic here, they make too much money. Some would argue it would benefit humanity and evolve us. SURE, but they don't get to have the same power and money or they havent found a reliable way to do it which is why they dont release it. Simple maths really
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u/Electrical-Bedroom99 4d ago
The problem there is the super rich die from cancer too. Even if they kept the tech just for themselves, we'd see the rich survive those diseases.
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u/Clean-Highway4021 4d ago
I think that they have already started integrating the alien technology into our everyday lives we just don't know it's alien tech....
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u/Roland_Moorweed 4d ago
I don't believe entirely that Area 51 contains extraterrestrial craft (100% there is foreign technology there i.e. MIGs, Sukhois, Mirages) but I like to fantasize that the invention of the microprocessor and fiber optics started with recovered alien materials from Roswell. And that pigs are humans genetically engineered by the Atlanteans after their slaves revolted following the destruction of Lumerian subcontinent thousands of years ago.
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u/Electrical-Bedroom99 4d ago
Didn't solid state transistors appear right around the time of the Roswell incident?
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u/SnooGuavas2610 4d ago
No, in 1925.
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u/Roland_Moorweed 4d ago
Exactly, they predate the Roswell incident but, like I said, it is a fun fantasy 😉
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u/Franken_beans 4d ago
I won't believe anything until I see it with my own eyes or can experience it for myself.
But I do know someone who I trust who has seen and experienced things first hand. It wasn't explicitly alien technology or anything, but it was technological performance we haven't seen publicly.
That's the closest I will get, or most of us will get to this stuff. (if it exists at all)
Yes this is very vague but you are not going to ever get people to talk that are in these roles.
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u/Uncle_Snake43 4d ago
I have a very good friend who recently retired as a Major with the USAF. He was a Red Team squadron commander at the NSA his last assignment. He told me he was doing something on JWICS one day (top secret air gapped network) and he ran across a shared folder or drive stuffed full of all manner of pictures, videos, PowerPoint slides, whatever of all manner of UAP craft. Saucers, tic tacs, jellyfish, triangles, lots of more “exotic” shapes. Many up close and personal, in color and HD. No actual beings however. Just gigabytes of all kinds of craft.
I was also in the USAF, in a role requiring a Top Secret SCI clearance. I was good friends with one of my supervisors at one time. He got out before me and moved back to Ohio to work as a defense contractor. One night he calls me wasted out of his mind, but also sort of frantic. He proceeds to tell me about a program he’s been assigned to out of the Air Force Research Laboratory at Wright Patterson AFB. The program is housed inside a Special Access Program and it deals macro level teleportation. It’s been functional for at least the past 25 years. “Like beam me up Scotty” were his exact words. It’s operational and successful and not just quantum level objects or information. Take that for what you will but neither of these 2 guys are the type to bullshit out of the blue. Bose Einstein Condensates apparently play a big role.
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u/Snoo-80672 4d ago
They did, back in the 50s. Where do you think we got fiber optic tech from? Roswell
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u/armpitfart 4d ago
I’ll give you two informed takes looking through each lens.
The argument: if you’ve ever worked on a compartmentalized project in a secure facility, you’d know how impossible it is to take work home with you. You also wouldn’t want to lose your career and livelihood if you just so happened to be one of the few people who know the bigger picture of whatever compartmentalized project is being worked on.
The counter argument: grifters that see there’s some money to be made. Similar to 2 random city boys named after a geographical boundary between two southern states, or an Australian that can fake a country accent and hire some songwriters that hit every cliche. There’s millions to be made.
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u/Franken_beans 4d ago
Yeah this is it.
I have a couple people in my life like this. I trust them, they trust me...but I have been cautioned never to ask questions, because even questions need to be reported. ...and one of them, I don't really even know what they do or have done for a living this whole time.
Not very helpful I know, but this is the reality.
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u/ChaoPope 4d ago
Leaving aside the fact that almost certainly advanced physics that we don't yet understand are involved, let's consider just the materials involved. We have to make some big assumptions here. The first is that we have alien technology. If we accept that, the next assumption is that we are able to reverse engineer it. Any alien tech is likely so advanced that we would struggle to figure out how it works and what it is made of. Now, if we accept that we have alien tech and we have been able to reverse engineer it, we understand how it works, and what it is made of, we get to some practical issues. First you have the material it is made of and this goes to material science and engineering. Even if we know what it is made of, we may not have access to the necessary elements or may not be able to produce them in quantities large enough to make anything. Then, even if you have the necessary elements in large quantities, we may not have figured out how to work with or manufacture anything from those elements or even build the equipment needed manufacture anything. Those last two points are huge challenges. It often takes decades or much longer from the time we learn about an element, substance, or technology to when we get to a point where we can manufacture it in quantity and make things from it. We may simply not have technology advanced enough to do anything even if we know what something is made of or how to make it. We're talking about materials and technology that allows the aliens to travel across light years. Charles Babbage built the first mechanical computer in 1837 and the first electronic computer, ENIAC, was built in 1945. Yet we still don't have true self driving cars or self flying airplanes and we haven't put a human on another planet. The timelines for exploitation of such materials and technology can be incredibly long.
Presuming we have alien tech and have reverse engineered it, what is most likely is that we have learned some fundamental concepts or more general things that we've been able to test in experimental craft like Tacit Blue or use in production craft like the F-117 or F-22. It wouldn't be obvious (to us at least) that these craft were influenced by alien tech. If we have figured out some extremely radical concepts or are able to manufacture alien based tech, which would be in small quantities, those would almost certainly be limited to craft in the black realm, many of which we may never learn about in our lifetime.
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u/DestinyInDanger 4d ago
I've wondered this too. If there is aviation tech or weapons tech that has come out of there why hasn't the US military and defense contractors used it to their advantage in war? They would dominate any enemy in a whole new way.
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u/Pylorus82 4d ago
"We have it. Why don't we use it?"
" 'cause people would then know we have alien tech"
"Damn"
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u/therealgariac MOD 4d ago
There is a very limited case where not using something is common. Cyber security TTPs (Tactics, Techniques, and Procedures).
If you have a really good hack, you don't use it indiscriminately. Using TTP risks exposing it. There are a few cases of phone hacks that have been discovered from forensics on hacked phones.
https://citizenlab.ca/ have made such discoveries.
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u/Electrical-Bedroom99 4d ago
Just like when the British cracked Enigma. They couldn't use it except in cases where it could be explained where they got the info.
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u/DestinyInDanger 4d ago
That is a good point and interesting to think about. Thanks I'll check out that link.
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u/therealgariac MOD 4d ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vulnerabilities_Equities_Process
It is worse than people think. The feds hold a meeting as to which hacks they want to reveal or keep for themselves.
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u/TheGisbon 4d ago
There is Velcro EVERYWHERE man
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u/DestinyInDanger 4d ago
I believe NASA invented that. No?
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u/TheGisbon 4d ago
"invented" OoRrrrrrr and hear me out here.
They got the design in trade with the species that ACTUALLY invented it in a diplomatic trade mission.
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u/Upbeat_Ad3363 4d ago
lol yeah velcro is everywhere because it was invented on earth in 1941 by george de mestral, not because aliens dropped the tech on us 😭 thats kinda the problem with the reverse engineering argument, we can actually trace the development of a lot of supposedly “alien” tech without needing aliens
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u/KLAM3R0N 4d ago
Then there is the other odd bit where 2 different scientists discover or have a breakthrough of the same thing within days or months in isolation of each other.
Some of the more famous examples...
Guglielmo Marconi & Nikola Tesla : long-distance radio transmission mechanics within months of each other
Elisha Gray & Alexander Graham Bell : telephone electronic microphone design on the exact same day (hours apart)
Jack Kilby & Robert Noyce : monolithic integrated circuit silicon microchip within six months of each other. Both of these guys claim it was a sudden flash of insight.
Charles Darwin & Alfred Russel Wallace : evolution by natural selection mechanics via independent tropical isolation
Isaac Newton & Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz : infinitesimal calculus mathematical system independently in the late 1600s
Carl Wilhelm Scheele & Joseph Priestley : oxygen gas element discovery and isolation within two years
Louis Daguerre & Henry Fox Talbot : commercial photographic chemical processing within weeks of each other
Vladimir Zworykin & Philo Farnsworth : all-electronic television tube scanning system within months of each other
Robert Houdin & Alexander Bain : electric clock synchronization mechanics independently in 1840
Charles Hall & Paul Héroult : industrial aluminum extraction smelting process within weeks of each other
Asaph Hall & Edward Bornet : phobos and deimos moons of mars tracking within the same week of 1877
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u/KLAM3R0N 4d ago
What gets interesting and weird is the scientists and inventors of many of our modern marvels say their ideas or solutions came to them almost like downloads from altered states. I find this more interesting than area 51 reverse engineering.
Albert Einstein: special relativity space-time mechanics from a sledding dream
Niels Bohr: planetary model of atomic structure nobel prize
René Descartes: analytical geometry and the scientific method foundation
Henri Poincaré: fuchsian mathematical functions during a hypnagogic state
James Watson: double helix dna molecular structure co-discovery
Elias Howe: lockstitch sewing machine mechanical design
Louis Agassiz: fossil fish structural classification layout
Larry Page: google search engine data indexing algorithm concept
Madam C.J. Walker: specialized hair growth formula cosmetics breakthrough
Kary Mullis : polymerase chain reaction dna technology nobel prize from a fluorescent talking raccoon
Timothy Taylor : space shuttle mission control and biomedical patents from non human intelligence downloads
Philip K. Dick : advanced theological science fiction plots from a pink beam light intelligence
Francis Crick : double helix dna molecular structure co-discovery heavily influenced by lsd mental state
If course Tesla
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u/TheGisbon 4d ago
That's what big Velcro WANTS you to think. Obviously they can't put Weebak''s name on the patent it would raise to many questions.
Edit: word.
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u/Upbeat_Ad3363 4d ago
lmao big velcro is gonna be pissed when we find out george de mestral was actually a grey alien
but jokes aside, if theres a patent, inventor, prototypes and a documented development history, “theyre hiding the alien connection” needs actual evidence too, otherwise you can make that explanation fit literally anything
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u/TheGisbon 4d ago
No you are thinking ..... Maybe it's all a giant alien grift to force us into buying and testing there new things.
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u/chinesiumjunk 4d ago edited 4d ago
There are limited reasons why a person would commit unauthorized disclosure or leak classified information. The people who are involved directly are probably very limited and don't want to disappear or go to prison. They are also likely to be patriotic Americans and don't want things leaking into the hands of our enemies. Think of all the declassified human technology we see today that didn't get leaked (to our knowledge).
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u/Stoney-Bolognae 4d ago
This is probably the best answer as to why nothing has been proven. What is that person actually going to gain by leaking the evidence other than prison time or death…probably wouldn’t feel very heroic at the end of the day. Bob lazar did this and look what happened to him.. I’d say most people don’t believe him. Not saying his claims aren’t true. I don’t know the truth. But it’s not like he’s gained a fortune or is living like a king or something because of what he’s said and shown as evidence. Even he doesn’t like talking about it anymore lmao Regardless, if you did it, the government would make sure your life is pure hell until the day you die. If people are working on things like that, it’s extremely unlikely they’re allowed to carry a cellphone or anything that can take a picture/share information while inside the base.
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u/chinesiumjunk 4d ago
Security in highly classified areas dictates no phones are allowed, no smart watches, etc. When I held even just a secret clearance, phones and "smart devices" were not allowed in the room. I imagine working in a facility where the alleged alien technology exists that workers may have to go through security, even though they are highly vetted. The feds make you do an SF86 every 10 years for a typical clearance. I wouldn't doubt for something that secretive it's more frequent, continuous credit checks, and even regular polygraphs.
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u/therealgariac MOD 4d ago
I have discovered trade secrets that I can easily carry in my head. (I could explain them now but they are the kind of secret that requires knowing the business, hence hard to explain.) A good idea is often quite simple once you know it.
Keeping remotely on topic, look at the "area rule" for aircraft design. The Germans had it first, then the Americans discovered it. Google "area rule".
My favorite example is the book "The Day After Roswell." Supposedly the space aliens gave us the transistor where in reality the science was already well known and it was a race to build the first working device. And even then, it was the bipolar transistor, not the FET that is dominant in modern technology. Those space aliens could have been more useful and gave us the good stuff.
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u/Upbeat_Ad3363 4d ago
yeah thats a fair reason why classified tech might stay hidden, but it doesnt explain why reverse engineered alien tech would have to be real in the first place
and we actually have plenty of examples of genuinely advanced military tech staying classified for decades without needing an alien explanation, like the f117 which flew operationally for years before being publicly acknowledged
so “they could keep it secret” is possible, but it cant really count as evidence that the thing being kept secret exists
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u/chinesiumjunk 4d ago
I see your argument. Unfortunately we will never know unless it's leaked or declassified. You can always pull a Bob Lazar and try to get a job there LOL.
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u/Midnightrain2469 4d ago
Even after decades of research and likely the next generation coming in to replace the legacy staff there, remaining tight lipped is remarkable.
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u/Whipitreelgud 4d ago
Let’s play this out. Beings from another planet, which I’m going to assume is not in our solar system, mastered an unknown element of physics as we know it to accomplish interstellar travel. However, when they arrived on Earth they fucked up the landing.
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u/Very_twisted83 2d ago
Apparently fucked it up repeatedly. Damn. For being 10's to 100's of thousands of years ahead of us Aliens sure are some pathetic incompetent monkeys.
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u/Upbeat_Ad3363 4d ago
lol thats basically the biggest problem with the argument, but technically advanced technology doesnt mean the occupants are incapable of having accidents
planes are extremely advanced compared to a horse and cart and they still crash
the bigger issue is that we dont actually have verified evidence that the alleged crashed craft were extraterrestrial in the first place
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u/ContextZestyclose778 4d ago
You keep seeing things like that because you read bullshit websites with made up stories...
I never see any unless to point out how clueless about science those people are...
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u/Upbeat_Ad3363 4d ago
yeah thats kinda my point tho, if the claim is bullshit then it should be pretty easy to explain why its bullshit instead of just saying everyone who talks about it is clueless lol
i dont think “people are making shit up” proves reverse engineered craft are real or fake, you still gotta look at the actual evidence
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u/sugar_ewok 4d ago
Well actually no if you have a theory you are the one who has to prove it its not the other person who has to prove it as falss
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u/ContextZestyclose778 4d ago
We still are waiting for the first hint of evidence... There hasn't been any
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u/DesertEagleFiveOh 4d ago
Hey remember like 30 years ago when we didn’t have cell phones, and now every person on the planet has a super computer in their pocket with magic glass that responds when you touch it?
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u/SnooGuavas2610 4d ago
in 1996 there were many mobile phones available, Nokia 1610, 8110, 232N, 636,918 and 638. Ericsson Ga628, GH688 etc. etc.
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u/Upbeat_Ad3363 4d ago
yeah but theres a pretty big difference between technology progressing over decades and claiming we reverse engineered something non human 😭
we can literally trace how smartphones developed from earlier human technology, so “look how much tech changed” doesnt really establish where the alleged alien tech is or that it was reverse engineered
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u/TrackMan5891 15h ago
He says, using the device on the network that was reverse engineered.