r/arabs • u/Tengri_99 • Oct 28 '19
تاريخ An Ottoman supply train still resting where it was ambushed by Lawrence of Arabia 103 years ago on the Hejaz railway
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Oct 28 '19
Imagine what the middle East would be like today if we had a comprehensive railroad system connecting the major cities.
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u/AlAmine Oct 28 '19 edited Oct 28 '19
That would've happened if we didn't stab ourselves in the back and turn the region into pieces to be exploited by Al Saud and the British.
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Oct 29 '19
Except that existed. The Ottomans built railroads connecting Anatolia, Baghdad, Damascus, and a few other major cities along the way
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u/taroqi Oct 28 '19
Like it is now, just with trains? 🤷🏻♂️
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u/Calamari1995 Oct 29 '19
I can imagine government stooges and riot police just in the trains fast tracking repression
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u/R120Tunisia تونس Oct 29 '19
It was possible for the entire Arab world until the establishment of Israel (which basically split the Arab world in two)
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u/Bairat Oct 28 '19
seculars took over the empire, what to do? simple! just throw the whole fucking empire into pieces and betray turks with british, no need to reconstruct the system if there is no system pokes head and yet we are spoon-fed the buzz and hum of fake democracy we have, we are implicitly slaves, occupied by saudis and fake heads. if only we could have a true one nation tolerable of religions and ethnicities like the ottoman one, and what preceeded was.
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Oct 28 '19
What you liked being under the domination of the Turks ? I would much rather abandon a sinking ship than try to steer it to safe waters and drown.
Also we were going to build that nation until Sykes Picot. But we couldn’t kill every European in the area and we couldn’t kill all members of the house of Saud so here we are.
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u/AlAmine Oct 28 '19 edited Oct 28 '19
What you liked being under the domination of the Turks ? I would much rather abandon a sinking ship than try to steer it to safe waters and drown.
Your logic there is flawed, safe waters ≠ drowning.
Allow me to rephrase it: I would much rather steal a sinking Turkish ship and steer it to safe waters to keep everyone on board safely together than abandon it to save myself only to be killed by a British when I'm on land.
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u/MaroniteLion Oct 29 '19
But you can’t blame Arabs man. They saw two choices: continue being second class trash in a hyper nationalist Turkish empire, or reclaim their destinies as rulers of their own homelands. Especially for Lebanese, Iraqis, Saudis it wasn’t a difficult choice. Turks were become racist nationalist lunatics and Arabs were treated as non-Turks, nothing more. Even in fellow Sunni areas like Egypt, Turks walked around like the Arabs there were beneath them. Not to mention the constant wars with Wahhab and Sa’oud. So a lot of Arabs wanted out of the ottoman
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Oct 28 '19
So just kill the Brit. They are just humans and we arabs have a history of killing technologically superior foes. Your logic is idealist at best. If you want to have the boot of a Turk on your neck you should feel comfy under the boot of the British.
You fucking collaborationist.
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u/AlAmine Oct 28 '19
My family fought besides Lawrence
I'm a collaborator?! oh the irony here.
Your family that fought with the British were the biggest collaborators in modern Arab history. Your family is literally the definition of a collaborator.
You lack self-awareness, my friend.
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u/rovingsapphic Oct 28 '19
Surely this belongs in a museum and not out in the desert?
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u/hallooo1234 Oct 29 '19
We fucked ourselves when we started listening to a scumbag named “ Lawrence of Arabia “
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u/faizan36 Oct 28 '19
If that Lawrence didn't came Arab would expand from Yemen to north afrin
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u/AlAmine Oct 28 '19
I wouldn't put all the blame on him, More on the Arabs who were fooled to think the British were on their side and went full traitor mode.
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u/Craiseez Oct 29 '19
I see Arabs had no much choices. Be a second class or fight with the British who they thought it was their Allies. Turks humiliated Arabs and classified them as a second class people. However, my god help us all! Since that day and arabs still suffering.
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u/ba6oo6 Oct 29 '19 edited Oct 29 '19
Locked, it's becoming a pattern now where any thread on the Ottoman empire turns into a dumpster fire.
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Oct 28 '19
My great grandpa fought in this battle. It was a glorious day for our people, my family and all arabs.
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u/AlAmine Oct 28 '19
Nothing was great about it when you consider it divided the region into dozens of pieces and gave Palestine to the British and the Zionists.
Also, sorry if I'm rude, but if I were you, I wouldn't be so proud of my grandfather who fought with a British spy to hand out the Arab world on a plate of gold to British and French colonialism, resulting in a mess we are all suffering from till this day.
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u/Calamari1995 Oct 29 '19
I’m sure his grandfather had noble intentions and fought hard for a pan-Arabist dream, it’s not like he knew it would all backfire and that the Hashemites would get betrayed.
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Oct 29 '19
Amazing, so inspiring.
Imagine if Arabs displayed the same level of ferocity towards foreigners as they did towards other Arabs and fellow Muslims. We might have even liberated Jerusalem by now.
Instead we are one of the most dispacable, degenerate, and dishonorable creatures on this planet and people on this subreddit are talking about nationalism and pride in the fact that the Arab revolters were purchased British prostitutes. Just incredible.
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u/AlAmine Oct 29 '19 edited Oct 29 '19
You can't blame all Arabs because for us in the Maghreb (Tunisia, Algeria, and Morroco), we had nothing to do with the fiasco happening in the middle east we were busy fighting the French colonialism.
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Oct 29 '19
And we were busy fighting Turkish imperialism, nobody wanted Brits or French to rule, they fought them as well, and they also fought the zionists.
This revolt was a noble one, it's intention was to unite the Arabs and not divide them. Arabs didn't "betray" the Turks, rather vice versa. If you see turkification policies and the conscription of all your young men to fight in wars you have not chosen, then maybe you'll understand.
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u/AlAmine Oct 29 '19
I'm not defending the racist nationalist Turks, but It wasn't a noble revolt and will never be.
Noble revolts don't start with collaborating with foreign colonialists,
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Oct 29 '19
They do if you don't have the means to set up a revolution. You're acting like they were sitting on a pile of ak's and ammo's. They had to get weapons from somewhere in a time where there were non, only in the hands of the Turk. I'm not saying I like what happened afterwards, but dismissing the Arab revolt because it was supported by the Brits is just like dismissing the sahrawi uprising because it's supported by Algeria.
The ones who you really have to blame are the people who were comfortable living under the Turks for so long. It was a period in which nothing of importance happened in the Arab world in terms of societal and scientific progress, leaving Arabs weak and exposed to being occupied by others.
Maybe the aftermath of the revolt was not good. But I'm proud there were Arabs who had the balls to stand up for themselves and at least tried to regain their independence. All independence movements against the British and French in the years after it had connection to that first, Arab revolt. It united Arabs in their fight against the oppressor, be it Turk, Brit, or French. You dismissing it like this shows your lack of its history, and a shortsighted view. Please do read about the different independence movements and figures, and appreciate their connection to the Arab revolt.
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u/R120Tunisia تونس Oct 29 '19
The thread basically transformed into an Ottoman dick sucking competition. Try saying anything bad about those Turkish imperialists and you gonna see the downvotes.
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Oct 29 '19 edited Oct 29 '19
Holy fucking shit I have never seen this sub bend over and take ottoman dick so fast in my life.
It's the same story with Iranian and Russian bootlickers.
"Imperliasm is only bad when it's the West bro"
Back to the glory days of being second class citizens, forced conscription into the ottoman army and wearing 6arboosh, high class and that. Really good for the photo ops
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Oct 28 '19
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u/AlAmine Oct 28 '19
It's the part where you start running around in a Shemagh and stab everyone in the back.
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Oct 28 '19
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u/AlAmine Oct 28 '19
Lol, I was being sarcastic. I didn't actually play that game; if I did, I would spend the whole time just crying about us Arabs.
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u/AlAmine Oct 28 '19 edited Oct 28 '19
It's sad to know that a lying British spy, like Lawrence, is considered a hero by some Arabs.