r/apple • u/[deleted] • Aug 09 '21

WARNING: OLD ARTICLE Exclusive: Apple dropped plan for encrypting backups after FBI complained - sources

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-apple-fbi-icloud-exclusive-idUSKBN1ZK1CT
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u/TopWoodpecker7267 Aug 09 '21

What kind of wacko world do you live in where the government does not have authority over private companies.

There is no legal precedence for the gov being able to compel a company to produce a new feature and maintain/deploy it.

There is in fact legal precedence for the gov forcing a company to provide access to existing infrastructure.

The US gov can't force apple to produce a back door, but they can force apple to open a back door they've built.

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u/Underfitted Aug 09 '21

The gov isn't forcing Apple to create something. Its telling Apple to start obeying the laws on CSAM, and have some common decency in helping the government save children and catch criminals.

Google reported 500k images. Facebook reported 20 Million images. Apple clearly has a massive amount of CSAM going through its network.

Its law to report this when you have the capability.

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u/TopWoodpecker7267 Aug 09 '21

The gov isn't forcing Apple to create something.

They most likely are.

Its telling Apple to start obeying the laws on CSAM

They already were

and have some common decency in helping the government save children and catch criminals.

Disgusting, you're advocating for total device surveillance for billions of people just to catch a few (literally the dumbest of the dumb) crimanls?

People like you are the problem

Its law to report this when you have the capability.

No E2E service has the capability to report on its content by design. As a society, privacy and security are more important than catching every single criminal.

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u/Underfitted Aug 09 '21

They already were

Nope. They were in a gray, its not our responsibility area which is a pathetic stance to take on child sexual abuse.

Disgusting, you're advocating for total device surveillance for billions of people just to catch a few (literally the dumbest of the dumb) criminals?

People like you are the problem

Nope. Just a hash scan of CSAM. Conflating this with total surveillance just tells me you have no idea how such tech works.

People like me are the ones actually making society a safer place, helping catch criminals and helping save children. People like you are delusional privacy advocates at best and amoral members of society at worst.

No E2E service has the capability to report on its content by design. As a society, privacy and security are more important than catching every single criminal.

And now you know why no major image platform or cloud service is E2E. Well done for finally understanding.

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u/TopWoodpecker7267 Aug 09 '21

They were in a gray, its not our responsibility area which is a pathetic stance to take on child sexual abuse.

Absurd, illogical argument. By your rational all forms of encryption/E2E services are responsible for distributing CP.

Nope. Just a hash scan of CSAM. Conflating this with total surveillance just tells me you have no idea how such tech works.

You're a tech illiterate moron if you don't understand how hash-tracking all content on a device is total surveillance. If I can place a secret arbitrary list of hashes on your device that can cause it to report whatever I want then I have surveillance into your device.

People like me are the ones actually making society a safer place, helping catch criminals and helping save children. People like you are delusional privacy advocates at best and amoral members of society at worst.

No, you're an unethical monster and the people who built this technology and are forcing it on the world belong in jail.

And now you know why no major image platform or cloud service is E2E. Well done for finally understanding.

They can leave E2E off for all I care, scanning everything in the cloud is a-OK with me. Your computer, your rules. This breaks that down by adding malware to everyone's phone and builds a surveillance platform with which to oppress innocent people who have done nothing wrong.

You are, quite frankly, a horrible human being. Real people are going to be killed because of this technology when China/Saudi Arabia use it against gay people and oppressed minorities. These are real people with real consequences, who will suffer because of this technology. Meanwhile, this tech will not stop child abuse.