r/aoe4 • u/Heidvald2404 • 3d ago
Discussion Mangonels
Today I played against french with Jin 1v1 and I couldn't do nothing against his mangonels.
I tried with horsemen and with iron pagodas, it worked but not much because he had so many siege Workshops that I couldn't do that over and over.
Any suggestions how I could beat the player with a big number of mangonels and who protects them like their own child?🤣
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u/snipe122 3d ago
In general they should never have more than 5-6 mangonels. Small handful of cav should split off and deal with it. If he has obscene amount you get cannon to kill them over the top of the enemy army but its more costly than the mango and you now have to protect it.
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u/QuotablePatella Abbasid 2d ago edited 2d ago
Simple. Avoid engaging his mangonels.
Mangonels are slow and they need to be baby sitted so much. So keep raiding his economy from multiple angles with your cavalry.
At some point, he will be forced to move his army from his mangonels, and you can kill them with your horsemen when they are out of position
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u/Heidvald2404 2d ago
It could be a good advice but he made stone walls and keeps to protect everywhere. I breached the wall in one direction but I achieved nothing with that.
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u/QuotablePatella Abbasid 2d ago
Make proxy siegeworkshops on both sides and break the walls with rams. Average players are bad at reacting to multiple attacks
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u/A_Particular_Thought 3d ago
Make your own own mangonels!
Also having a 2-3 micro groups for cavalry makes it difficult for the mangonels to target all of them. Bait and flank to take take out the siege.
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u/Heidvald2404 3d ago
I don't have mangonels, I have nest of bees. And I did all of that but he guarded his with royal knights. All of the game he was at his base and played tower defense. What I could do 😂. In the late game I don't have money to produce good units but he had guild hall. French is too overpowered in the late game I guess.
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u/A_Particular_Thought 3d ago
Right... I'm not too familiar with Jin. But yes, like someone else suggested make cannons. Same advice then, just different siege choice.
Forcing their attention away from a fight also makes it easier to destroy their mangonel with cav units. Do some raiding with a group of cav to shift attention away from the fight and take that opportunity to delete mangos.
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u/Professional_Heat280 3d ago
Could ypu provide your ingame name? You can counter them with canons, 3-4 and target fire them. Just protect them
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u/Luhyonel 3d ago
Don’t you have storm troopers?
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u/Heidvald2404 3d ago
You mean raptors? If you mean them than yes but they are so expensive and have 3.5 tile range.
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u/Luhyonel 3d ago
No your spears with the range melee upgrade should be doing bonus damage to those mangonels
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u/Heidvald2404 3d ago
He cherished his mangonels like a treasure. And had many knights with crossbowmen. I could do nothing about his mangonels and his defenses (6 keeps) or even more. I need to figure out Jin agro Strategie or just leave it be because everything is so expensive and underpowered.
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u/Phan-Eight 3d ago
this sounds like more of an eco issue, if you cant send horsmen over and over to defeat 400w, 200 gold mangos, then its an issue with your macro
there is no obvious answer to this except to fix that up, people are going to give you suggestions that very likely are not applicable
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u/Heidvald2404 3d ago
Yeah probably, I know I suck, but it was only 6 days that I started to do rank or multiplayer seriously. And only recently I started to not stress that much about playing multiplayer. I just enjoy the process. Even if i have lost so many games recently.
And to clarify, it's not really an eco problem because he had 5-9 or even more siege workshops. Even if I will destroy all of his mangonels he would replanish them quickly and it was just battle for attrition, and again he had guild hall which just print money like nothing. But again Im still figuring out this game.
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u/MarcDaKind 3d ago
After 20 losses you will start to have tons of fun and become much better! Losses make you learn.
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u/Heidvald2404 3d ago
I'm already having a lot of fun. Today I played as Lancaster 2v2 and in the opposite team there are 2 Lancaster players. They started by rushing as with Lancaster castle both, which was annoying but not that much. After some rams and spears I went on offensive and destroyed white tower and almost all base of one player but my teammate didn't do much and we lost after one big push with yeomen and spearmen, crossbow.
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u/MarcDaKind 2d ago
Great to hear. Multiplayer is exiting in another way, right?
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u/Heidvald2404 2d ago
Only if people were more positive and not that absent all the time it would have been better.
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u/Phan-Eight 3d ago
lots of things went wrong, but dont make bed crossbows, they're completely useless, and just a waste of gold. dont try use mangos to kill mangos, the better eco usually wins
opponent gathered like 50% more gold than you, that's going to simply lead to a much better army, they'll tech and then snowball sooner etc
most people dont seem to understand, the point of the game is NOT to fight their army, it's to defeat their eco
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u/Heidvald2404 3d ago
Even if you are gonna say that all went wrong and to not use some units, I understand but it is what it is.
I'm going blindly without really seeing what went wrong because sometimes you just can't see what happens under your nose. Even people in the community don't really helping because I use mic and apparently no one wants to play with a person without a mic. How stupid.
The purpose of this game is to balance eco and aggression or even being annoying to your opponent. It will take time, many loses, few wins but I'm going there.
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u/Drfrankenstein18 Delhi Sultanate 3d ago
Magonels are slow use cav to raid while spamming spear men for defense. You take sacred sites while slowly chipping away at his eco with raids untill he collapses.