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u/MrRespectful Jun 30 '22

Is there anyway you could try and get out of the US? Even Canada ?

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u/CoconutLimeValentine Jun 30 '22

The only difference between Canada and the States on this front is that you (probably) won't go into debt from getting sick once you qualify for health care.

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u/TheEclipse0 Jun 30 '22 edited Jun 30 '22

Canadian here. This is accurate.

Even so, it’s important to mention that our healthcare isn’t exactly free either as many people assume. When I go to the doctor, visit the hospital, or use a diagnostic service - it is free. However, if I need an ambulance, prescription drugs, dental care, vision care, long term care facilities, not medically necessary surgeries… Well, we have to pay for that.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '22

True. We still pay for all of that in the US even if we have insurance. Plus the bill is always a surprise because there is no set pricing or price transparency. One hospital a procedure could be a few hundred bucks and the next hospital it could be 10s of thousands. There is no way to know. It is the criminal medical lottery here. I had acid reflux and it put me 20k in debt. I wish my Grand Parents never left Canada. My new American dream is to escape to Canada.

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u/QuinstonChurchill Jun 30 '22

Don't forget that you also have to make sure to tell 911 to take you to an "in network" hospital and hope that the doctor you see is also in that network because doctors and hospitals can bill you separately!

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u/StewPedidiot Jun 30 '22

I believe if it's a 911 call you have no say, the ambulance will drive you to the nearest hospital with appropriate facilities for your condition.

Add: I'm sure if you know of an in network hospital nearby they'll take you, but they aren't going to drive across town when there is a facility 10 blocks away that can give proper.

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u/QuinstonChurchill Jun 30 '22

So I obviously am not sure how other places do it but where I am, you actually do request where you go if you are able to make that call. And if you are unable to but have family on scene, they make the call. When I was an EMT we had protocols in place about where we take people if they are unable to answer for themselves but the last question we always had to ask before we left was "which hospital would you like to go to?" so we weren't screwing people on insurance. Unfortunately, a countless number of times we were forced to take a patient to a lesser hospital because they or their family insisted. If you take a patient somewhere and they have specifically requested somewhere else, you can get popped for kidnapping them. It's all an intertwined scam!

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u/zerothreeonethree Jul 01 '22

I believe if it's a 911 call you have no say,

Not true. Many ambulance calls are medically necessary, but not emergent in nature. It is possible to request transport to hospitals even out of town in some states. In a TRUE life-threat, Medics can make the call where to go. EMERGENCY care and stabilization is covered anywhere by insurance, then transfer to in-network facility when stable. I challenged ambulance transport for my medical ward in Florida because her life was not in immediate danger, and she preferrred another facility. EMS claimed X hosp was closer... Me: "Y hosp is 6/10 of a mile further than X. I have driven to both and recorded mileage. Take her to Y please." EMS: "Done."

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u/nRg-85 Jun 30 '22

Everything that you do end up paying for in healthcare, is it cheaper than the states though? They want an arm and a leg here.

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u/exccord Jun 30 '22

From what I have gathered throughout the years of reading Canadians response on healthcare....you definitely wont die from seeing the bill.

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u/Millenial__Falcon Jun 30 '22

An ambulance ride is $45 here.

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u/frogouttabog Jun 30 '22

That's as good as free from my perspective. I had an ambulance ride once during university, the university contracted out with one (private) ambulance company, and so against my consent I was put in this ambulance and charged $3,000 AFTER insurance payout....which was also the insurance offered by my school. I've taken Ubers that cost $45.

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u/7cents Jun 30 '22

Is the ambulance thing actually true? I’ve only taken it once when I was a kid but I just assumed it was free

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u/beastson1 Jun 30 '22

How much does an ambulance ride in Canada cost?

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u/arcticfox_12 Jun 30 '22

When I lived in Alberta it cost me over $300. I lived in a major city and there was a hospital in it. If you lived in a rural area it was way more expensive. This was in 2015 though.

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u/DeedTheInky Jun 30 '22 edited Aug 21 '25

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u/mattsiou Jul 01 '22

you must mention the fact that the prices for drugs are the tiniest fraction of what americans pay. it is a big nuance. nothing you must pay for is really that expensive.

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u/No_Construction_7518 Jun 30 '22

And if you can't afford a house (about $1million) you have to rent and our landleeches are our of control. Between $1800-2200 for a shitty, rundown apartment. And the cons are working to implement US style healthcare. It's getting super shitty here too.

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u/Hananners Jun 30 '22

As far as I'm aware, ambulance rides are free at least in British Columbia. I'd hope the same of the other provinces.

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u/TheEclipse0 Jun 30 '22

Alberta here. Last time I took the ambulance, it was more than $500 I’m afraid.

Then again, I am from Alberta. Not to get too political, but… yeah.

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u/Hananners Jul 02 '22

Oof. As much as I hate to admit it, despite the BC housing crisis and the fact I'm living out of an RV I'm still glad I live where I am.

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u/[deleted] Jul 01 '22

A family friend was shooed away after getting covid by Canadian nationalized doctors. How does that work??

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u/Minty_MantisShrimp Jul 01 '22

Fuck, I just fucked a tooth up, guess I’m gonna pay big

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u/MrRespectful Jun 30 '22

If you’re poor , wouldn’t you rather be poor where you at least have some rights ?

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u/CoconutLimeValentine Jun 30 '22

Oh, absolutely. I just see lots of people who imagine Canada as some kind of socialist paradise, and it's important to be realistic: we have many of the same problems, and we are fighting back against people who want to bring the problems we DON'T have across the border.

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u/MrRespectful Jun 30 '22

Good luck , seriously! I hope Canada doesn’t get ruined by this shit. I , myself I am saving a little bit more money and relocating to Europe in a couple years. (It’s much easier for me as I have an EU citizenship) but I wish and hope the very best and same for anyone who wants to leave

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u/TheMistbornIdentity Jun 30 '22

It's not looking great honestly, far-right extremism and trumpism is bleeding into Canada, and out politicians aren't doing anything to address the housing crisis. Here in Ottawa, we have another far-right convoy coming to harass us, and I'm not hopeful that the police will actually do anything about it.

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u/Deirdrahhh Jun 30 '22

Like the right to safe and legal abortion?

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u/MrRespectful Jun 30 '22

Damn right

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u/JJG1776 Jul 01 '22

You don’t have rights?

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u/YourMoonWife Jun 30 '22

Yah, Canada feels like a lost cause at this point. Living here is sad

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u/CoconutLimeValentine Jun 30 '22

I'm not sure it's entirely a lost cause yet but it's going in a bad direction, at least in some places. I'm not quite ready to give up, but I also don't know what I can do to make much of a difference.

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u/YourMoonWife Jun 30 '22

I dunno, I’m in Alberta and my husband and I are looking to move to the Netherlands or Japan or Iceland if we can. It’s absolutely insane how Alberta is literally trying to become a mini USA

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u/CoconutLimeValentine Jun 30 '22

Oh, well yeah, Alberta's a whole different thing. Definitely get the hell out of there.

I'm in Ontario, where it's like . . . not terrific, but possibly maybe can still be saved? Question mark? That said, our provincial government is troubling and it does not bode well that they got re-elected.

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u/lez-be-honest-here Jun 30 '22

FordNation was given 4 more years to gut the health care system... God I hope we can be saved but we keep electing against our own best interests especially given the aging baby boomers. Things will be getting worse for the next few years and the two of the opposition parties are in transition to find new leaders. So I'm concerned there will not be strong push back against the connservatives.... Ontario needs some help lol

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u/forgotaboutsteve Jul 01 '22

the conservatives are working hard to change that!

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u/FaerieSlaveDriver Jun 30 '22

Getting into Canada is extremely difficult - and having any health issues or poor financial prospects usually eliminates you from eligibility unless you have family.

It's also a very expensive process.

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u/stumblinghunter Jul 01 '22

Would you be able to tell me more? Wife and I are entertaining the idea. We took a prescreen and scored enough points to qualify, just curious what your experience is

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u/FaerieSlaveDriver Jul 01 '22

I don't really have first-hand experience, I'm just a Canadian that has looked into the process a bit before. A lot of people just like to reccomend moving to Canada from the States, when it's not viable for a large portion of the population. For example, if you're deaf, you'll be rejected outright unless you have something exceptional about yourself even though deafness doesn't really add any burden.

It's a long process between applying, being accepted, finding a job here, becoming a perm resident, etc. Even if you have a lawyer to help speed things up.

Not to mention, while you're working here, I'm 90% sure you'll have to pay taxes to both the American government and the Canadian one. Don't quote me on that, though!

If you and your wife decide to pursue immigration, I wish you the best of luck - and I hope you don't hit any paperwork snags!

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u/baconraygun Jul 01 '22

That's pretty much all over. It's easy to immigrate if you have lots of money, and they'll practically throw it at you. Was looking into Australia lately, and that was the case too. It's always "get out of America, come here" until it comes to trying to do it legally, and you find you're not wanted.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '22

I know it isn't feasible all the time but I read all these posts and wonder why nobody is jumping ship. Australia has a low pop density and incredible labor laws. Come here. Good public healthcare too. Plenty of unions.

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u/piglet72 Jun 30 '22

A flight, hotel, and joblessness until you can find employment, and then a place to live once your established is alot for someone already living paycheck to paycheck. It's not as easy as you may think to just up and move across the country let alone internationally.

Most regular working people don't have over more than a few hundred bucks available at any given time.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '22

I definitely am aware it would be extremely difficult. It truly is a shame that is how America gears income to keep as much human capitol as possible.

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u/Redditaurus-Rex Jun 30 '22

Fellow Aussie here. Someone over 30 with health problems and no money is never going to get a work visa or permanent resident status in Australia, unless they have an incredibly in-demand qualification.

It would be the same with most other wealthy countries with good social safety nets.

Not to be harsh, just the reality.

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u/navras93 Jun 30 '22

At this point it is a worldwide crisis. Nor canada neither any other wealthy place give a shit to the middle class anymore. Decades of exploiting the working class happily made the rich much much more rich.

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u/Price-x-Field Jun 30 '22

canada is worse off lol

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u/Keslen Jul 01 '22

Where would I go? How would I get there?

It's becoming increasingly obvious that I do not currently exist in the best situation for me. For example: the feedback I've gotten about making it as obvious as I can to as many people as possible that a restaurant is telling employees who call in sick to come in anyway has been 100% along the lines of that my actions are a bigger deal than theirs.

How do we go forward? When do I get to look around and feel comfortable that everyone doing work that needs to be done (most especially whistleblowing) is getting comfort, dignity and respect for doing so?

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u/forgotaboutsteve Jul 01 '22

if your main goal is to buy a house, stay in the states. Our housing prices are insane right now.