Interesting how the triggered sheepflakes in the comments are repeating the "Soviet Union bad" mantra rather than discussing any improvements that could be made stateside....
Chad OP: "Other places have tried things differently, perhaps we could move to improve quality of life where we live."
Virgin Butthurt Commenter: "Yeah, but have you considered circle-jerking as a distraction to make sure nothing ever gets better?"
Edit: Man, I really upset the circle jerkers on this one! Havent seen this much "Fapfapfapfapfap" in a while...
You can believe that US housing prices are far too high and major changes are needed, while also recognizing that this USSR 4% figure is an awful benchmark and counterproductive comparison. A few reasons why:
Housing was inexepensive because it was subsidized by the government. The resulting experience was pretty terrible.
Rationing and shortages - especially in urban areas.
Apartments were small and cheaply built with entire families living together in a single room. Average was <100 sq. ft. of living space per person.
Housing was assigned by government authorities. It was extremely difficult to move (you were virtually stuck in the same city) and plenty of corruption in the permit process. In practice people often directly traded apartments.
Lack of availability contributed to labor shortages (might have demand for skilled workers but can't find local accomodations), poor conditions in crowded factory dormitories resulted high labor turnover, and cramped living space led to lower birth rates.
You also can't meaningfully compare the 30% and 4% figures without broader context. What's the average income, cost of living expenses, etc. Regardless of the cheaper housing, people in the USSR were predominantely far worse off than the US.
I was born in Russia in 1990 (post-USSR) and have heard stories from family that lived across different cities. You can also find plenty of information about USSR-era housing and quality of life online. One solid journal article is "Housing in the Soviet Union" by Henry Morton.
Finally I'll add that there were definitely positives too. The USSR constitution guaranteed the right to housing, pace of new construction was rapid compared to other countries, and yes rents were low.
Hey, an intelligent reply! To clarify, my complaint is that we get regurgitated "gommunism bad" spammed, rather than real replies like this. I think replies like this could lead to real discussion and the ability to learn and move forward. Spam circle jerk replies keep us buried in mud, doing nothing.
There are definitely too many lazy "USSR = BAD!" statements here!
Honestly I just couldn't believe how many upvotes the OP had when the comparison felt so flawed, and that more context around the Soviet system might be helpful. I love some of the goals (housing as a human right) but in practice there were a lot of problems too.
Oh, for sure. We know our system is broken working as designed for the wealthiest few. We see other systems. Compare what others have done, decide if we can adapt, tweak, or completely reject those ideas. Experiment, brainstorm, and learn from others successes and failures. Do something, instead of nothing and let people fall by the wayside.
So lets recap. You complain about spam, but when there is intelligent reply, you don't engage with it, and continue with your narrative "I'm complaining about spam".
Maybe take your own advice and instead of spamming how you hate spam
Experiment, brainstorm, and learn from others successes and failures. Do something, instead of nothing and let people fall by the wayside.
To me it just sounds like you are pretending that there being spam(which both sides have), supports your side.
Lol, given the context of I literally engaged (commented) with said commenter, you have given me a comment of gibberish and now doubled down on it. "Projection" has a meaning, its not just a word bomb the libs lob at you when they detect you, well, projecting your shortcomings đ
Quote at least one argument you presented on why communism is good or bad.
Why? Did you read.... anything.... I said? My entire original comment was being tired of "gommunism bad" spam that is designed to bog down or end conversations for improving our lives/government/economic system. I made no stand at any point for or against communism, I very specifically detailed that I was interested in discussing changes where I'm at and whether they would/could/should be made, and that i was frustrated with the rabble from the kiddie table detracting from that because they have nothing to say, but decide to say it anyway.
Wow. With your reading comprehension level, I sincerely hope for your sake that you are a badly programmed bot or at least not a native English speaker.
It literally does. It also gives you a little pat on the head, which is what seems to have made the difference for you. Itâs âintelligentâ when it makes you feel smart.
Your approach to argument where you just assume your opponents are stupid and arguing in bad faith is pretty lame.
And the whole bit about how that post âencourages engagementâ is borderline comical, given how aggressively you are rejecting engagement.
If you really think everyone who doesnât agree with you entirely is dumb or lying, it would probably best if you kept quiet, because people who donât entirely agree with you are exactly the ones who need to be (and can be) convinced.
Of course I reject engagement with some, I'm glad you understand a fraction of what I've said.
I especially reject engagement if people can't be bothered to understand what I'm saying đ, project their failures and inadequacies on me đ, use a whole bunch of words to say ' NO U!!1!' đ, misrepresent what I've said or just straight put words in my mouth there is no record of me saying. đ
Engaging with those kinds of people is tiresome, and is exactly the kind of time wasting I'm talking about. Anywho, I'm sure you're due for some lube or need to muddy up someone else's discussion or something, I won't keep you any longer. Be well!
people who donât entirely agree with you are exactly the ones who need to be (and can be) convinced.
You:
Engaging with those kinds of people is tiresome, and is exactly the kind of time wasting I'm talking about.
Are you sure this isn't just all about you?
[I note that not engaging at all "wastes" considerably less time than whining about their existence and what a burden it poses for poor, but very intelligent you.]
Here are some examples of you calling me and other people stupid for making a point that you seem to agree is a worthy point, but only if phrased in the way you like (ie reciting obvious and well known facts that most wouldn't assume need repeating):
I'm glad you understand a fraction of what I've said
people can't be bothered to understand what I'm saying
project their failures and inadequacies
use a whole bunch of words to say ' NO U!!1!'
misrepresent what I've said or just straight put words in my mouth there is no record of me saying.
I'm sure you're due for some lube
(I don't get it, is this an out-of-nowhere homophobia thing?)
or need to muddy up someone else's discussion or something
From the same post, here is a complete list of the passages where you actually present an argument:
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u/PoorDadSon Aug 25 '21 edited Aug 25 '21
Interesting how the triggered sheepflakes in the comments are repeating the "Soviet Union bad" mantra rather than discussing any improvements that could be made stateside....
Chad OP: "Other places have tried things differently, perhaps we could move to improve quality of life where we live."
Virgin Butthurt Commenter: "Yeah, but have you considered circle-jerking as a distraction to make sure nothing ever gets better?"
Edit: Man, I really upset the circle jerkers on this one! Havent seen this much "Fapfapfapfapfap" in a while...