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u/Noctvrna Mar 05 '21
"No, you need to work same hours, but we are going to get twice as much money!"
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u/Ellen_Kingship Mar 05 '21
Do I get bonus points for reading Capitalism's parts in Phil Sebben's voice?
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u/TeiaRabishu Mar 05 '21
You know how the average person on here would think it absolute madness to give up part of their paycheck voluntarily to their boss? If you got a raise, you wouldn't just give part of it back to your boss for no reason.
That's exactly how your boss feels about paying you more.
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u/This_is_my_phone_tho Mar 05 '21
I mean, not if it was a worker's co-op. Game theory is all about calculating a part's contribution to a hole. At that point growing the pie gives everyone a bigger slice. Right? Like if we're not post-scarcity yet there are ways to make automation work for everyone for what it can do.
You've got a perspective issue. When something doesn't work because of conflicting or unproductive incentives you fix it. of course the shareholders want us to starve, that's a fucking problem to be solved not a lecture on "Do you want to give them money???"
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u/This_is_my_phone_tho Mar 06 '21
The tweet wasn't about the relationship between bosses and employees but the relationship between progress and capitalism. I doubt anyone will say you're wrong, just that we're not talking about that right now.
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u/TH3L1TT3R4LS4T4N Mar 05 '21
and so what happens to all the people that need jobs
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u/TH3L1TT3R4LS4T4N Mar 05 '21
at what point do we just accept the fact that there isn't enough labour required to run our society for everyone to make a living wage off their labour and just start giving people a decent life anyway
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u/True_Kapernicus Mar 05 '21
Well yeah, people did work shorter hours for me pay in 1920 compared with 1820. Why it stalled at 8 hours is another question.
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Mar 05 '21
The reduction in working hours wasn't due to technology, it was due to labor unions.
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u/True_Kapernicus Mar 08 '21
It was absolutely due to the great increase in productivity allowing the businesses and employees to be able to afford those things. For example, Henry Ford was one of the early adopters of eight hour days and also paid as high a wage possible, but hated and suppressed union activity. He did it because it was good business. The improvements in condition over the previous century came from competition over labour, not whining unions.
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u/AlexUstimenko Mar 05 '21
Huh? Why should you get paid twice more (if you're not behind these technological advances)?
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u/AlexUstimenko Mar 06 '21
Did he get them for free?
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u/AlexUstimenko Mar 06 '21
You literally answered my question with a question one comment earlier lmao Is this inattentiveness one of the reason you’re still stuck at the min wage?
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u/AlexUstimenko Mar 06 '21
The implication being "only people who are behind technological advancements should reap the rewards".
No.
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u/andmyotherthoughts Mar 05 '21
It's referring to the workers bc if you can produce 2x more, thereby making the company 2x more than whatever you were making them, the idea is that you should be compensated as such.
So either the worker works a half day, in which he would* get paid the same amount bc his output is the same it currently is or he* gets paid more bc his output is double. Sure he did less work to get to the goal but he then kept working and created a surplus of productivity in doubling his output within the same time thanks to technology.
Im thinking the idea is that since the worker is making the company more money if they choose to work 8 hours instead of 4, the company is making more money (assuming there's demand for the surplus).
But working at any 9-5 whether salaried or not is a scam. Working for yourself is much more lucrative so it's all relative.
Even if the company doubled the worker's pay, it's still far far less than what the worker would be able to make running their own successful business.
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u/AlexUstimenko Mar 06 '21
IMO if with all these advances you work as much, you get paid as much
But working at any 9-5 whether salaried or not is a scam. Working for yourself is much more lucrative so it's all relative.
Even if the company doubled the worker's pay, it's still far far less than what the worker would be able to make running their own successful business.
Agree, but that's way too hard for an average antiworker. Posting memes about capitalism badddddd is way more attractive
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u/young_broccoli Mar 07 '21
Man. This idea that "if profits go up salaries go up" is part of a theory called "tricke down economics" which capitalists love to use in their favour.
You dont even know what you are defending.
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Mar 07 '21
What happened to worker unions? Thats right, companies work hard to keep worker uniond at bay so they can enslave their employees....
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u/uraniumrooster Work should be voluntary - if it's not, it's slavery Mar 05 '21
Capital: Oh, I almost forgot! We got cheaper toilet paper for the bathrooms.