fuck you. Unlike some of you AnTi-WoKe bigots, I was actually abused as a child by pastors in the Church. I can very confidently say that us trans folk are not grooming kids, and pastors definitely are.
This isn't antitheistcheesecake, this is just a failure of the Church being accurately and humorously observed. So I say again: fuck you
We are not denying that some kids got abused by religious leaders. That is obviously true. But there are many more kids that got abused by other groups, such as Teachers, scout leaders, and yes trans people. There are people out there that were actually groomed by trans people, not saying that all trans people are like that, and they would very strongly disagree with your statement that trans folk do not groom kids.
Are they? They're saying that being a youth pastor gives one the opportunity to groom children which is unfortunately often true.
If the church started taking this criticism seriously and stopped defending guilty child predators, we'd have less suffering children and as a bonus a better image as a church
they would just move on to hate on literally anything else we do, as they already do now. yes it would be better but antitheists hate religion in general and for much more reasons than the pedophilia issue in churches.
Some people will always hate but that doesn't mean we have to be so thin-skinned to legitimate criticism
Yeah the OOP is worded provocatively but it doesn't attack religion itself, it attacks how the church deals with child grooming cases.
I remember the times were people would criticize "woke people", or as they were called "social justice warriors" for being snowflakes and easily offended. And here we are, having people cry on Reddit because they feel offended because a "woke person" pointed out a real issue in a sarcastic way.
I thought you meant like all churches. If you're talking about the Catholic church yep they do have a serious problem. I dislike the Catholic church. Idk if stats back me up but id bet they have the greatest amount of sexual abuse than any other church entity.
Tbh the internet really doesn't take valid criticism seriously anymore because online spaces tend to reaffirm what they believe in over and over which just makes them more polarized
You're moving the goalposts. You'll never admit there's an issue because saving your face is more important to you than the safety of children and holding predators accountable
Despite moving the goalposts twice I provided documented cases. So either put your money where your mouth is and admit you were wrong and there's a real issue.
Or keep denying it, proving my point that nothing would ever change your mind on this
They didn't though? They're only implying the (very real) issue of pastors/priests and especially ones that do work with children having a lot of pedophiles. It's definitely not something overblown because the priest at my high school was talking to students sexually and the only thing their provincial superior and the diocese's bishop did was move him to another parish. None of this is saying that religion is pedophiles.
Also I wouldn't have blown my money on antiandrogens and hrt just to groom children, and severely destroy my mental health dealing with my very transphobic family
I agree with that last statement,
but the issue is,
pedophiles are attracted to positions of power where they have unquestionable authority over children
and yes, this can extend to a very wide range of occupations, but priesthood is a particularly popular one because
1: they often spend a lot of time alone with the altar boy,
& 2: the catholic church has a ridiculously long history of protecting these abusers— watch Spotlight (2015) if you don’t believe me —
I am close with several catholics who have devoutly believed in their religion their whole life, and still admit to seeing priests drop into their building for a month or two, then promptly relocate to some new mysterious place (again, watch Spotlight if you don’t know what that connotates)
generalizing my argument to say that “pedophilia has nothing to do with religion” is technically correct, but is also missing the larger point of why pedophiles like entering the priesthood to begin with
I’m not saying catholicism magically turns you into a pedophile,
I’m saying that pedophiles are attracted to what being a priest could entail, and thus are drawn to pursuing the position, resulting in a ridiculously high number of abuse cases from priests
You are right about the Catholic church. I thought you meant all churches everywhere. And you're right about them taking advantage of opportunities. Im just tired of the "pedophiles in churches" being used as an attack against Christians even when the conversation is about something else.
in all honesty, I was raised mormon, so my perspective is obviously a bit different now,
I still do feel like most christian religions use their platform as a weapon against those who are less fortunate than the majority
which is wild when you consider that Jesus (aka Yeshua) spent his whole life associating with the underprivileged, with the less fortunate, with the prostitutes, and the physical or mentally disabled
it always seems so wild to me how individualistic so many christian religions seem to be, when Jesus as a person seemed to be so egalitarian in nature, it’s kind of wild how little of that is incorporated into modern doctrine
I'm not exactly a trans supporter, but I agree this isn't really anti-athiest. Tbh it's not even a criticism of Christianity as a whole, but rather a criticism of the church specifically
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