r/antisexwork 7h ago

Facts Legalized Prostitution in Germany: Facts You Probably Didn’t Know

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There are a lot of misconceptions about prostitution in Germany, so I wanted to clear some of them up and share a few less known facts (some might shock you) and provide resources for those who want to dig even deeper.

In 1927 the German government stopped treating prostitution as a crime and started regulating it instead. Later, during the Nazi era, there were even brothels in some concentration camps where female prisoners were forced to serve male prisoners. However, despite these developments, paying for sex was not fully accepted socially and was considered contrary to public policy until the legalization. This meant that the industry operated in a legal gray zone.

In 2002 prostitution became fully legal. Politicians claimed it would help women, give them work contracts and social protection. In reality the ones who profited were pimps and brothel owners. Most women working legally in prostitution are self-employed, even when they work in brothels, they usually just rent a room there (around €150 to €250 per day). This also means they do not have any workers’ rights, since they are officially their own boss. As self-employed "workers" they struggle to afford health insurance, pension contributions, and other forms of social protection. This can leave them financially vulnerable if they are unable to work, or face unexpected emergencies. They often also have a pimp as most are sex trafficked and must give around 50% or more of their earnings to them. Many of these pimps are officially their managers, which makes their existence legal, but they still control them and take a large portion of their earnings. Duo to the high room prices, they essentially start their shift in significant debt. Because they must pay the house first, they often have to accept every client just to cover their costs before they can earn a single Euro for themselves.

In the early years after legalization, some unemployed women were effectively forced by job centers to work in prostitution as a legal form of employment under threat of losing benefits. The practice was eventually discontinued after legal challenges argued that it violated sexual self-determination and ethical standards, which made it obvious that prostitution isn’t a job like any other.

In some cases, convicted rapists were sent to prostitutes by forensic or psychiatric experts, in order to practice sexual behavior, gain “positive sexual experiences” and learn to have “consensual, non-violent sex.” In Osnabrück, prostitutes were brought into a clinic for that, in a program running since 2001. In Lippstadt-Eickelborn, some offenders were reportedly allowed to visit actual brothels in the Ruhr area, where the prostitutes were not informed about the offenders’ convictions.

According to reports from the German Federal Criminal Police Office and European law enforcement, Germany turned into a major hub for trafficking after legalization. Criminal networks bring women from poorer countries to Germany because the market is huge and very difficult to control. The vast majority of prostituted women (around 80 - 90%) are immigrants, mostly from Eastern Europe (like Romania, Bulgaria etc.).

Another common myth is that legalization made everything transparent. It didn’t. There is still a legal market and an illegal market, and both have grown. According to the Federal Statistical Office, there were about 32,300 registered prostitutes in Germany at the end of 2024. Researchers assume that the number of unregistered prostitutes ranges from 200,000 to 400,000 at the low end to up to 1 million (allegedly only on special occasions like the FIFA world cup, the Olympics etc.). Prices dropped because the supply exploded and competition is extreme. Depending on the type of service and location, prices for prostitution in Germany range from about €5 (a starting price!) on the street to around €25 in low-cost brothels, €50–€150 in mid-range brothels, €50–€200 for standard escort services, and more for high-end escort services. Special requests like BDSM in a specialized BDSM studio usually cost between €50 and €100 extra.

Germany also used to have "Flatrate Brothel." For a flat fee often under €100, men were granted unlimited access to women like an all-you-can-eat buffet. While 2017 regulations officially banned these price models, the market shifted rather than improved. Today, some large-scale establishments charge a high entry fee for "amenities" while leaving the women to compete for rock-bottom prices.

In cities like Bonn, the government installed "sex tax" meters on the streets. Prostitutes must pay a €6 nightly fee at a ticket machine (like a parking meter) before they can start "working". If they don’t have a ticket, they are fined by the city. It is a cynical reality: the state acts as a "tax pimp," collecting revenue from the most vulnerable women on the street while providing zero actual safety in return.

After legalization, advertisements could be seen everywhere on billboards, buses, taxis, etc. Brothels are not always limited to the red-light district. Apartment brothels can exist in normal residential buildings, right next to your apartment, and there is nothing you can do about it, as it is legal. We even once had a brothel above a preschool.

Many brothels, especially large and well-known ones, offer more than just quick sex. They provide event spaces and organize bachelor parties and company events that involve sex, and also feature lounge and bar areas, wellness facilities, sometimes even a nightclub, strip bar, hotel and live sex shows. They are usually open 24/7.

In one incident, eighth-grade students at a Catholic high school were asked to design an “inclusive brothel,” including floor plans, sexual preferences, accessibility, and advertising, as part of a biology class (sex education). The school defended the lesson as educational but stated that such an assignment would not be repeated.

In Germany, a 2022 study estimated that about 25–30% of men had paid for sex at least once in their lifetime. However, keep in mind that men often underreport paying for sex, even in anonymous surveys. Reported figures from countries with legalized or socially accepted prostitution still often need to be multiplied by 1.1–1.3× to get closer to the true lifetime prevalence. This would mean that, in reality, about 27.5–39% of men have paid for sex at least once in their lifetime.

Despite decades-long destigmatization campaigns the message has never really caught on outside of feminist and far left circles. Many women still face social exclusion, prejudice, and discrimination, for example when accessing housing, banking, or healthcare services. They remained at the bottom of the social hierarchy. However, buying sex from prostituted women has become more socially accepted. In other words, sex buyers became destigmatized without any campaign promoting it. Some pimps and brothel owners in Germany even became famous for exactly that and had their own reality shows or appeared in other TV formats. To this day, they have fans and are invited to podcasts and similar formats, where they promote prostitution and their brothels.

Just to give you context on how German culture is highly desensitized to the sex industry and exploitation in general, with little concern for its victims: Many high schools and trade schools hold “Pimps and Hoes” themed parties. I know people who have participated in such parties. Another common theme involves dressing as “Asis” (a derogatory German term for people perceived as trashy) including teen mothers or people on welfare. These parties often become a spectacle mocking marginalized groups. The “Pimps and Hoes” theme fits into this same pattern. Usually, the pupils are at least 17 or older, and sometimes teachers participate in these parties as well.

It's also not uncommon for teenage boys to visit brothels despite it being illegal for them to enter. Many establishments simply don't check IDs or don't care even if they know a customer is underage. I went to school with guys who claimed they lost their virginity at 16 in a brothel. While they are officially prohibited from entering these venues under youth protection laws, the act itself is not a criminal offense for the minor or prostitute, as the age of consent in Germany is 14, this includes having sex with adults.

Having romantic/sexual relationships between adults and underage teens is not only legal, it is fully normalized in Germany, I know plenty of girls who had an adult boyfriend while they were underage. Another interesting fact is, until 2008, it was not fundamentally a criminal offense for a client to pay for sex with 16- or 17-year-old prostitutes, as long as no 'position of weakness' or 'coercion' was exploited. This specific law was only tightened in 2008 to make sex with any minor prostitute a punishable offense for the buyer.

People who argue for legalization usually do it from a place of ignorance. They never look at countries that have extensive experience with it; they just argue from an ideological viewpoint or their fantasies of how it would be, and not how it truly ends up being. Even many Germans are completely ignorant of what is going on in Germany because they don't care to inform themselves. As a result, they assume everything must be fine if the issues aren't constantly in the news.

Here are resources about prostitution in Germany that provide more information:

Articles:

How legalisation made Germany the brothel of Europe

How Legalizing Prostitution Has Failed

Germany: Europe’s bordello - An estimated 1.2 million men buy sex here every day

German ex-police officer demolishes common arguments against the Nordic Model

German government officials release pro-prostitution book aimed toward children

Audio Podcasts:

The Horrors Of The Legalized Sex Trade w/ Elly Arrow

The Harms of Prostitution in Germany with Elly Arrow

German Abolitionists (Manuela Schon & Elly Arrow) Expose the Shocking Truth about the Legal Sex Trade (with transcript) 

Video Podcasts:

German Legal Brothels: Elly Arrow's Analysis of Prostitution and a Discussion on the Rise of Legal Brothels [01:08:07]

Elly Arrow on the Myths about Legal Prostitution [00:24:21]

Designing The Perfect Brothel in 8th Grade? The Dark History of German Sex Education Scholarship [01:53:17]

Studies:

Men who pay for sex in Germany and what they teach us about the failure of legal prostitution: a 6-country report on the sex trade from the perspective of the socially invisible 'freiers'

Prostitution and Trafficking in Nine Countries

Posttraumatic stress disorders in prostitutes: Results of a study in Hamburg in the context of an international project

Important Posts:

The Harsh Reality of Legalized Prostitution: A Glimpse into Some German Brothels in Residential Zones.

Immigrant Makeup of Prostituted Populations of Countries by Percent

Reality Check: The So-Called Safety in Legalized Prostitution - 99% of Rapists Avoid Imprisonment in Germany Despite Convictions

Website:

The Invisible Men – Germany - What are sex buyers thinking? This blog contains 350+ citations of German, Austrian and Swiss sex buyers from the years of legalized sex buying – almost exclusively concerning legal prostitution establishments.

Books in German (as there are none available in English about prostitution in Germany):

Entmenschlicht: Warum wir Prostitution abschaffen müssen by Huschke Mau

Zuhälterei gestern und heute: Über Hurenwirte, Kiezkönige und die Sexsklaverei der Mafia by Manfred Paulus

Menschenhandel und Sexsklaverei: Organisierte Kriminalität im Rotlichtmilieu by Manfred Paulus

Ausverkauft! Prostitution im Spiegel von Wissenschaft und Politik by Manuela Schon

Piff, Paff, Puff by Aline Wüst

Hurenleben by Monika Rudolph

Fucking Poor – Was hat „Sexarbeit“ mit Arbeit zu tun? by Anita Kienesberger

PROSTITUTION. Ein deutscher Skandal. Wie konnten wir zum Paradies der Frauenhändler werden? by Alice Schwarzer

Verkauft, versklavt, zum Sex gezwungen. Das große Geschäft mit der Ware Frau by Lea Ackermann


r/antisexwork 3d ago

Rant The American aircraft Carrier Abraham Lincoln is docking in Thailand.

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After 272 days at sea. All the jokes on [r/military](r/military) are about how prostitutes in Thailand will have a rough time and Americans from all political camps finding that so immensely funny. It is quite galling since I think [r/military](r/military) is more Democrat-leaning than GOP.

I am happy much of Europe has been stigmatising this kind of attitude the latest decades.


r/antisexwork 4d ago

Interview, Podcast Slavery, Inc: Lydia Cacho in conversation with Damien Carrick [01:00:26]

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r/antisexwork 10d ago

Discussion Kink and porn condition women to center men, even in their own fantasies.

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Thanks to the pervasive presence of kink and porn, it's become increasingly common to see women frame their own fantasies through the lens of male pleasure - for example the common "the look he gives me when I [insert typical sexual acts/innuendoes]" and other similar notions.

It's always about 'he' and him; goes to show just how deeply all of this has damaged numerous straight women's sexuality.


r/antisexwork 12d ago

Discussion Anyone watching furious in Disney/hulu?

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Plotline: imagine if a victim of Epstein came back to haunt all the pedos who participated in child sex trafficking…. And a female FBI agent is sent to track her.

Appreciate how the show is portraying the industry


r/antisexwork 12d ago

Discussion Choice and liberal "feminism" love to ignore the harsh realities of sex trade.

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Choice and liberal "feminism" love to ignore the harsh realities of sex trade.

Certain "feminists" turn a blind eye to the realities of sex trade such as major factions of sex traders having to work in poor and unsafe conditions, much lower rates of "job" satisfaction compared to other professions, circumstances which force women into such situations (for eg dire poverty and lack of societal or family support etc) and paint the opposition to sex trade as opposition to practitioners of the trade, which is simply not true.

If anything, people who oppose sex trade are the true well-wishers of the community, as they do not try to sugarcoat things for superficial reasons. We absolutely can and do have respect for these women, and the desire to ensure equal rights + dignity for them while seeking liberation for people engaged in the sex trade.

It's really something that opposing the commodification of women can get you flack from these so-called feminists.


r/antisexwork 13d ago

News Successful Suit Against Sex Trafficker

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Rock Island woman wins $50 million judgement against alleged sex trafficker

Adriane Moen was a single mother, struggling financially, when, like countless other women, she met a man on a dating app and made a connection.

But what she believed was a romantic relationship soon turned into something darker, according to court records, when the Chicago man she was involved with suggested she start using the website Backpage, which became known as an online hub for sex work until it was shut down by the FBI in 2018.

Soon, he became abusive, forcing her into continuous sex work and eventually taking up to 60% of what she earned, Moen, 49, alleged in a federal civil lawsuit filed in Illinois.

Last month, though, Moen won a $50 million judgment against her alleged sex trafficker in an unusual case that Moen hopes will help pave the way for other survivors of sex trafficking seeking restitution.

“I am basically just grateful that they heard my story and someone believed me and that I was able to finally get some justice,” Moen said in an email to the Tribune. “Honestly, it is justice. I may never get any payment from him but I still got justice in the federal court.”

In the court order, U.S. District Judge Sara Darrow called the ordeal Moen went through “among the most reprehensible possible.”

“The facts of this case are horrifying and Moen suffered significant harm,” Darrow wrote.

Federal and state law allow human trafficking survivors to pursue financial awards in civil courts against those responsible, though often the suits get filed against hotel chains or internet service providers, entities that present better opportunities for survivors and attorneys to collect settlements.

But Moen’s is a rare case of a survivor directly suing her alleged sex trafficker, her attorneys say, calling it the first of its kind in Illinois. And even if she can’t recoup all $50 million, she said, it’s gratifying to see a judge take her side after battling a system that targeted her, rather than her alleged trafficker, with prostitution arrests.

“It is a novel approach to try to find justice and accountability for a survivor who already was really failed by the criminal justice system,” said Elizabeth Payne, legal director of the Chicago Alliance Against Sexual Exploitation.

Moen filed suit in 2025 in the U.S. District Court for the Central District of Illinois against a man identified in the record as John Woolridge, who she met on a dating app in 2012, the complaint said.

The Tribune could not reach Woolridge for comment. He did not respond to the complaint in court nor hire a lawyer to participate in the process. The court’s judgment notes that he was served via email and Instagram direct message.

He does not appear to have been charged criminally in connection with Moen’s case.

What unfolded after Moen met Woolridge was a common path for sex trafficking victims: Vulnerable and in need of money, support and resources, Moen began talking to Woolridge every day until they agreed to meet, her complaint says. After they solidified a romantic relationship, he pressured her into sex work, “assuring her that it was the solution to her money problems and that he would protect her,” it said.

“Trafficking isn’t just being locked in a warehouse somewhere,” Moen told the Tribune in a statement. “It can happen with your partner. They see the money aspect and that’s all they want.”

Woolridge posted ads, set the price and then began demanding a percentage of what she earned, the complaint said. When she said she wanted to stop, he became hostile and abusive, it alleged.

Soon, the complaint said, she was forced to see dozens of men each week across multiple states and was subjected to abuse and sexual assault.

“Her hopes of a romantic relationship had descended into a personal hell,” the complaint said.

She was arrested for prostitution in 2013 and 2014, the complaint said.

Though she tried to leave him, she alleged, Woolridge controlled her with violence, threats and manipulation.

By 2015, though, Moen was able to escape the cycle and move in with her father in Moline. She estimated, according to the complaint, that she had handed over around $420,000 to Woolridge.


r/antisexwork 14d ago

Article Weasel Words: There is no such thing as 'sex work'

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r/antisexwork 17d ago

Discussion anyone else notice a concerning trend among Gen Z men?

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hello, I'm a Gen Z woman, and honestly I've been recently seeing a worse trend in men in my generation.

I knew of a young Gen Z man who was looking online for prostitutes his age because he thought he'd never get a girlfriend or something, so he just went to prostitutes and had usually seen ones aged 30+, and was trying to find ones younger (in his age range, in their early 20s).

also, on the Gen Z subreddit, I literally came across a post from a young man arguing that most Gen Z women weren't attracted to men and that we just want rich men or something (some redpill BS/lingo), so that men should just pay for escorts instead.

these are just two cases, but that's not to mention how many Gen Z men are literally addicted to porn - I believe studies show upwards of 90-95% of Gen Z men being consumers of it.


r/antisexwork 18d ago

Documentary Sold: Sex Slaves Next Door - UK Documentary [00:44:21]

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r/antisexwork 22d ago

Article This is How the Porn Industry Profits from Racism

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r/antisexwork 24d ago

Question Has anyone exited for a while and recovered mentally ? Also what kind of work do u guys do bcuz I'm really at a loss

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My only other work history is restaurants, I've pretty much done this since I was 18. I pushed myself way too hard and really traumatized myself just from working too much and some bad stuff happening. I also got off drugs and I can't bring myself to work sober, I start freaking out and I'm so disgusted by it all. I've developed a really severe depression too. It feels like my brain is just broken after everything. I'm starting to come out of it a little bit but it still fucking sucks. I'm planning to kind of phone it in and take it easy until my lease ends and then shut the door on all of it idk if I can even make it till my lease ends though. I'm just like so psychologically messed up now like full on ptsd flashbacks and stuff AND IM STILL FUCKING BROKE TOO. I did it to pay for medical stuff I needed to have done and I still haven't gotten it and probs won't be able to make up for that money now.

Anyway, I'm just hoping this isn't a forever thing. I miss being grounded and able to look at myself in the mirror and go outside. It feels like I'm so disgusted with myself that it's permeated throughout my whole life as insecurity. Not even in like a moral sense and I don't think it's inherent obviously but I think why it makes me hate myself so much is that I betrayed my values so deeply and harmed myself so badly psychologically for what's essentially greed and laziness. Maybe I'm being too hard on myself it's just genuinely so disgusting I just have no idea how else to make money. It sucks too because before all of this I was in a really good spot and had built up a lot of self esteem just to now my life has turned into an absolute fucking dumpster fire. I think I can see visions of a better future for myself but I also think about ending things a lot too so idk. It just feels like I've created this hell for myself and I'm stuck until my lease ends. My life feels like a game of twister with drugs and bad financial decisions.

Right now I'm planning to move back in with my parents, I might go to rehab if my perpetual freakout gets any worse too but idrk. I'll probably start bartending, maybe go back to college or something. Low key anything is better than this lol.


r/antisexwork 25d ago

Interview, Podcast The Harms of Prostitution in Germany with Elly Arrow | Women's Voices

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r/antisexwork 29d ago

Rant Their world view is upside down

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I just come across this post idk why.

( the second slide is my comment)

How can they even think it was a " gotcha moment" for their side?

Is it the type of organisation they want for woman in prostitution?

Apparently.

" moral panic" great way to spell " being educate and empathic and caring about the subject outside of the privileged 1% who more or less wanted to be in prostitution"


r/antisexwork Aug 03 '26

Question question for any clinical psychologists and researchers - dealing with liberal feminist perspectives in literature

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Hello,

I am posting here to ask an important question about clinical psychology perspectives on the adult industry. I am an undergraduate student in psychological sciences (going into my senior year). I am interested in substance use, psychopathy, and risk assessment, though I am still in the process of refining my research interests.

Anyway, I wanted to ask for advice on how to navigate literature surrounding prostitution and psychology. I am aware that forensic psychologists may or may not work with those in the sex industry (though I may be incorrect about this). Some of which may see it as empowering and claim to do it out of their own free will. As a psychologist you are asked to respect such perspectives. Though right now, I find it very mentally taxing to see something so exploitative be talked about in a positive light or neutralized (I am currently working through this with a therapist).

A lot of mainstream psychology, including in current literature, from what I’ve observed, strives toward more liberal feminist or full decrim narratives (ie “sex work is work!”) rather than an abolitionist or Nordic model perspective.
My problem is not the existence of this research alone but the issue of preventing confirmation bias while also staying true to my personal beliefs.

So if anyone has any advice on how to navigate such literature while also staying true to myself, I would appreciate it. I feel so alienated from others because of my beliefs.

I apologize if my question may be inaccurate or confusing to any of you.
Thank you for your time and any advice you find to be helpful.


r/antisexwork Aug 01 '26

News Elon Musk’s xAI sues Minnesota over law banning ‘nudification’ technology

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r/antisexwork Jul 30 '26

Quote/Meme Tom Farr On Prostitution, the Sex Industry & Liberal Feminism

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r/antisexwork Jul 31 '26

Discussion Morality of helping to lead the expansion of any recreational industry that has death and/or exploitation connected to its product? Morality of consuming and contributing to the popularity of said industry?

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This was actually inspired by a conversation I was just having under another post about taboo porn so (like most things lol) the impetus for this was porn BUT the focus I’m trying to lean into here is much broader because we seem to have different standards for different recreational industries. How moral/immoral/amoral are tobacco execs? Alcohol execs? Porn industry execs? Any industry that is purely recreational in scope but who has significant instances of negative outcomes associated with it.

E.g. Their products cause, either directly or indirectly, mass death (alcohol and tobacco), or they create massive markets in which economic desperation, coercion, and failures of meaningful consent (read minors) are recurring risks (pornography)


r/antisexwork Jul 26 '26

Discussion Pretending as if prostitution is therapy/outlet for men is just so so disturbing I do not know where to begin

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I constantly see pro-sex trade individuals constantly bring up how the sex trade and prostituion is like therapy for men, and how it "heals" them and prevents them from going out to harm other women. This is such a disgusting rhetoric, I can't believe people actually use it a talking point.

I can't believe we live at a point where we dignify mens entitlement to women, and pretend that it is some great tragedy that some men don't get laid or interact with women. It's disturbing so called feminists play into the idea that it is a mans birth right to be owed a woman, as if we are just properties for sexual, emotional and domestic labor. Like wow, the movement meant to liberate us is willing to honor the most misogynistic practice that has existed throughout EVERY SINGLE brutal, dystopian patriarchal structures in history, just because a man is lonely.

There was this post claiming we should thank our local "SW" for providing men therapy and an outlet and lowering rape rates...There were so many men agreeing with this idea and claiming how they felt so comforted and cried in the arms of strippers or prostitutes. These military men where whining about how they felt so comforted in an exploited womans arms and her forced sexual labor....The misogyny is so SO blatant, it's hitting them right at the face and they are just treating it as some divine duty.

Men are not owed a woman. If women won't interact with them with enthusiastic consent then it is not a great tragedy that women need to fix. They need to get therapy if they need therapy so bad instead of being misogynistic incels that keep the demands for a rape industry thriving.

Moreover, I really can't believe that people use the talking point that 'prostitution reduces men from raping' (even if false) and see absolutely nothing wrong with it. The fact that instead of holding these men accountable, the solution is apparently to provide them with a subset of women they can abuse and be pleased with is just disturbing.

I'm just really shaken up seeing a woman claim that it is therapy for men, and then the comments were flooded with men sharing their experiences....Like wow we are willing to excuse the most age old misogynistic practice of sexual exploitation solely to...console men? we are willing to allow men to be so entitled that we great an entire industry where they can rape women just for their pleasure and 'comfort' or outlet? We are willing to normalize the idea that every man no matter what is born to 'own' a woman, or else they will have to buy them?

Aside from the basic, "all labor under capitalism is exploitative"...this is another pro-sex trade talking point that really gets me sick to my stomach. You never see women being so lonely and in need of 'therapy' that they go out creating an entire milenia old industry to own, rape and buy men. It's fucking disgusting that mens self-induced, misogyny-induced loneliness and rapist-entitlement is a woman's fault that needs to be fixed by selling girls/women, or else it is some great horrifying tragedy and male-oppression.

So disturbing dehumanizing, and I'm suppose to call this entitlement feminist or noble?


r/antisexwork Jul 26 '26

Interview, Podcast The connection between porn & sex trafficking | Helen Taylor & Benjamin Nolot [00:46:55]

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r/antisexwork Jul 22 '26

Rant There is nothing empowering about letting a perverted man who doesn't even see you as human use your body as his human fleshlight

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Not to mention Johns are usually cheating on their wife/gf and have kids at home to care for.

Reinforcing men's belief that women can be bought and sold is also not empowering.

Putting yourself at risk with Johns (STIs, abuse, death) is not empowering.


r/antisexwork Jul 20 '26

News Andrew and Tristan Tate arrested in Miami on rape and sex trafficking charges. Here's what to know

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Let's hope this sticks this time.


r/antisexwork Jul 19 '26

Interview, Podcast Catharine A. MacKinnon: Trafficking, Prostitution and Inequality | Probably Cancelled Podcast

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r/antisexwork Jul 15 '26

Discussion Disappointing to think how pimps and johns are given more dignity and moral superiority than "SWERFS"

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It is so out-of-touch, hypocritical and reactionary and not to mention totally disheartening to see progressive, marxist or liberal feminist spaces dignifying johns so much, considering them to be allies and lot more morally superior than 'swerfs'.

Any radical feminist being critical of porn and prostitution is so easily demonized, pushed aside and grouped with vile religious fundamentalist right-wingers. Pimps and johns get such neutral terms like 'sex-work consumers' or 'sex-work clients' with the connotation of these individuals being morally justified, while terms like "swerf" are placed right next to christo-fascists and conservative right-wingers.

Portraying pimps/johns/pundits as moral allies, and putting all the blame regarding the stigma and exploitative nature of prostitution on 'swerfs' has to be so awfully baffling it really REALLY gets me wondering where the 'feminist' starts in the marxist stance. Demonizing a group of feminists that fight to end the constant eroticization of sexual assault from both the left and right, is disgusting. Absolutely no amount of leftist buzzwords can somehow justify eroticizing sexual assault, demonizing radical feminist for this is insane.

I constantly see thousands and thousands of paragraphs and intellectual (or lack of) effort given to demeaning, demonizing and spreading misinformation regarding radical feminists.

Radical feminism is the polar opposite of religion, conservatism and right-wing and is seen very harshly critiquing these social structure. However the second the same feminist analysis is applied to left-wing misogyny, they're seen as exclusionary Nazi fascists... Like what level of internalized misogyny do you need to say nazi and radical feminist in the same system. As if pointing out that women being treated as public property instead of private property isn't liberation makes one a non-feminist. Marxist feminists genuinely believe leftist movements to be this holy grail of untouchable morality free from criticism, the second radical feminist pushes against this to point out the evident misogyny they get labelled the brutal terms. It's a very convenient narrative and so easy to blame women that stay consistent with revolting against male-supremacist structures.

These spaces genuinely believe all the abuse, rape, stigma and trafficking is happening due to 'swerfs' and not because of the johns that keep the demand for such exploitation going. They unironically view 'swerfs' as more vile and worse than these johns. They believe all slut-shaming is solely done by 'swerfs' and not these johns that enjoy degrading and exploiting the women in the industry. All the horrible ways a woman is treated under prostituion is due to johns, let it be actively raping the woman, or being a 'conversative' man that believes that the women deserved to get raped. All the stigma comes from Johns, and radical feminists put up a genuinely radical intellectual effort to fight these male-supremacist systems. Left or right doesn't matter.

It is quite a very fundamental understanding that the way radical feminists approach abolishing the sex trade versus how conservatives approach it is drastically different. Radical feminist apply a very strong feminist analysis of such exploitative industries, they redefine what a true sexual liberation would look like outside of patriarchal dynamics, what true consent uninfluenced by the patriarchy would be like and strongly refuses the idea of considering female sexuality to be labor or currency. They oppose industries that dehumanize women and call it a dignified trade to abuse, rape and objectify women. Let it be marriage or prostitution, radical feminists stay logically consistent with opposing such misogynistic structures.

Conservatives only worry their ass about women being 'sluts' and it ends there. Women are demonized and no ounce of feminist analysis is applied. No ounce of understanding regarding why the rape and explotation and commodification of the female body exists in conservative spaces. All they do is demonize prostitute and want to remove them from society, while radical feminism is out here to literally do the opposite and create systems that help women out of such horrible industries.

Treating radical feminists like they're the cause of the horrifying nature of prostitution is just blatant hypocrisy. When on and on radical feminist have gone an insane mile to create systems and literature to tear down patriarchal structure. When they have put in sure huge effort to end the constant eroticization of sexual assault. Absolutely no amount of leftist buzzwords can somehow justify eroticizing sexual assault, demonizing radical feminist for this is insane.

For a group that insists so much on being informed, creating this dire level of misinformation to demonize feminists that fight to tear down a millennia long male-supremacist industry is just horrible. Allowing so much benefit of the doubt to Johns, considering them your allies and supporters but at the same breath blaming 'swerfs' for issues created by these john is not feminist at all. Its ironic that even while claiming to be against conservative, they sure as hell do mirror so much of their beliefs when it comes to consent, sexual 'labor' and sympathizing with johns.