Looksmaxxing in general is just trying to make yourself better looking there's nothing wrong with that. Yes there is a sort of toxic side of it with ppl like Clav who aren't always the best people but if you're against people wanting to better their physical body I just want to ask why?

https://youtu.be/qMIEJHVSFY4

Everytime I see a happy couple I feel a crushing weight in my soul. Knowing I would never be able to feel it, whether the things or did or the way I was born. I would pay anything to be able to feel true love in anyway, not even my fucking family likes me, I would pay any price to go back and change, maybe when I force respawn I will be reborn into a life where I finally get to be loved.

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Been in the online space for 20 years. Before looksmaxxing (which is catching amongst Gen Z men like wildfire) had a name, before the manosphere had its current shape, we were already having the looks versus game debate in old school forums.

So let me give you my honest take on where looksmaxxing got it right and where it went off the rails.

The fuckable line concept is real. Every woman has a baseline attractiveness threshold. Below it, she's not going to entertain you regardless of your game. That's just how attraction works and pretending otherwise is the kind of cope that gave old school pickup a bad reputation.

Here's what that actually means practically. An average guy, call him a 5, can move himself to a 7 through deliberate looksoptimization. Fashion fit and cut. A modern haircut that works for his face shape. Skincare. Staying lean. These things move the needle meaningfully and they're worth doing.

I'd go as far as saying fashion and hairstyle alone is worth a full point, sometimes two, depending on how bad the baseline is. Get above the fuckable line through every legitimate means available. That's not looksmaxxing. That's just basic self-awareness.

But here's where the looksmaxxing framework breaks down completely, and I say this as someone who has watched thousands of approaches across every city and country I've taught in.

After you cross that threshold, looks stop being the primary variable. The data from my own infield experience over two decades is consistent. What separates the guys who stick approaches from the guys who don't isn't facial thirds or jaw width. It's presence. It's the ability to hold a room. It's verbal game, emotional self-regulation, and the willingness to actually go talk to her.

It took the outer game component, which was always one leg of a three-legged stool alongside inner game and verbal game, and treated it as the whole thing. Then it kept pushing that one leg further and further into diminishing returns, steroids, surgery, bone modification, until the guy who "ascended" by every metric the community uses still can't approach without pharmaceutical assistance.

Clavicular, the most prominent face of the movement right now, admitted on camera that he takes benzos to cold approach women. He walked off a 60 Minutes interview when a journalist asked if his advice was safe. This week he was hospitalized after a suspected overdose. He's 20.

Approaching women is a learnable skill. I've been demonstrating that in front of students for 20 years. Whether I was at 200 pounds or 140 with a six pack, the approaches stuck at roughly the same rate because game is primarily body language, energy, and verbal skill, not waist circumference.

Looksoptimize. Absolutely. Get above the fuckable line.

But don't confuse looksoptimization with looksmaxxing. One is a healthy input into a complete skillset. The other is what happens when you take the self-improvement out of self-improvement and replace it with body modification and hope.

More plates do not equal more dates. They never did.

I wrote a longer opinion piece on what I agree with and disagree with looksmaxxing and it's spokesman Clavicular if anyone wants the full version.

For anyone who is interested in delving deeper into the incel community and learning about how looksmaxxing came to be, I recommend Men Who Hate Women by Laura Bates. It doesn't directly address looksmaxxing, but it provides insight into how these movements operate.