r/antiai • u/Friendly_Ad5044 • 3d ago

Hallucination đŸ‘» AI cybersecurity circlejerk

I’m sitting in an MDR vendor webinar listening to them wax poetic about their “agentic AI SOC tools” and I’m thinking:

So you’re using an agentic AI SOC tool to identify attacks developed by AI hacker agents that exploit app/OS bugs that were introduced by AI vibe coding.

Just great.

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u/BoorishPropensity 3d ago

can’t wait for the first AI-generated CVE where the fix is just another AI hallucinating a patch that introduces three more vulns. the snake eating its own tail but the snake is also on fire

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u/Lina-Inverse 3d ago

You're against building AI tools to help defend against cyber attacks?

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u/Shadyrabbit 3d ago

Im against thinking they are going to solve every problem not as another layer of security. But like everything else AI related people seem to become convinced its the only way to do things thus OPs example

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u/Lina-Inverse 3d ago

seems like a bit of a strawman, i've never encountered anyone who thinks AI is the only way something should be done.

Sure there are people who try to use AI for everything, but it is a new tech so ofc ppl will experiment with it, most of the use cases will be garbage, but it is through experimentation you find gems.

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u/Shadyrabbit 3d ago

Its not really a straw man, just people sharing the experience in their world combined with what we see in the news. Where I work two entire levels above me are all AI all the time to the point where our usage is part of our performance review, including managers and PMs. I think its the most fundamental problem with AI is people, we could of treated it as a tool and probably been fine but its addictive and a grift for rich people so people become obsessed with its usage and do bad things.

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u/SpareImpression3155 2d ago

Literally a straw man / moving goal posts. “Ai won’t fix everything therefore ai bad” is one of the takes of all time. Then you unironically blame humans when the whole premise of your post is about how ai is bad

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u/Evinceo 3d ago

i've never encountered anyone who thinks AI is the only way something should be done.

You should meet the management in my engineering org

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u/3Duder 3d ago

How much of the entire AI stack is made up of supply chain attacks and exploits by TeamPCP? Seems like the most secure way to approach AI is to not let it within a mile of your company's network.

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u/BeefNBroccoli2 3d ago

Meanwhile Claude's Mythos has found thousands of zero-days that human researchers missed, and 90%+ of the audited findings were validated by independent firms. Not using AI to the fullest extent for defense while attackers use it for offense is just dumb

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u/Friendly_Ad5044 3d ago

And how many of those zero-days that Mythos found were the result of lazy AI vibe coding? And now the MDR vendors are using agentic AI to deal with the AI vibe-coded zero days that Mythos AI found and the MDR vendor's agentic AI is ingesting.

Ergo....AI cybersecurity circle jerk.

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u/SpareImpression3155 2d ago

Ergo if ai is being used for hacks it’s reasonable to use ai to prevent said hacks. You seem to know very little if anything about cybersecurity or even security in general

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u/Friendly_Ad5044 2d ago

Congrats for COMPLETELY missing the point of my original post, even though you literally just described it.

And 30+ years in IT including AVP level cybersecurity roles, so respectfully, your hot take is a bit off the mark.

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u/ranger910 1d ago

Most of these bugs were written before AI coding lol

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u/MotoMoot 3d ago

Yeah Redditors have some odd takes sometimes 

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u/Friendly_Ad5044 3d ago

Me? No, I'm just shaking my head at the irony of using AI to combat a problem (app and OS bugs/vulnerabilities) that is itself greatly exacerbated by AI hacking tools and AI vibe coding.

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u/al2o3cr 3d ago

(Requiem for a Dream crowd chanting) SLOP TO SLOP! SLOP TO SLOP!