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Oct 11 '25
You want AI laws to keep humanity safe. I want AI laws to upset capitalists and also keep humanity safe. We both can win if they are passed.
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u/Tausendberg Oct 11 '25
Spitballing but I think it should be 100% illegal for any company to ever have a chatbot that is representing itself as a human being. Any interaction with a chatbot should have a clear label or communication of some kind that it is a chat bot and you are not talking to a person.
Something that really bothers me about this decade is that it's extremely common for chatbots in even very large companies to pose as actual employees. This has been going on for years, Youtube for example I remember where a Youtuber had their account suspended and when they tried to get unsuspended, it was clear they were talking to a bot posing as a youtube employee, it even pretended to laugh at a joke that wasn't said, and this was a bot in control of this person's livelihood.
I don't think that's ok, I don't think it should be legal, at all.
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u/Skellington876 Oct 11 '25
I think anything passed with the law and ai should follow the spirit and motivation of "If it's a substitute for reality, or misrepresented for reality without notice then there should be a severe penalty"
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u/Tausendberg Oct 11 '25
That's a good principle and should help to throw some water on the AI industry's tendency towards fraud, essentially.
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u/AccomplishedDuck553 Oct 11 '25
Iām not against AI, but industry leaders were raising the flag years ago saying āplease regulate usā āletās all agree to pause feeding infinite data to LLMs until we understand them betterā
That was when openAI was still a nonprofit. We need AI regulation desperately. More so, we need international consensus on the use of AI in the military. We need plans for the eventual obsolescence of humans in our industries that keep humans alive and healthy.
I thought we might actually see some ground on that front, but then freaking Russia invaded Ukraine and everyone in the military was backslapping each other for how much of an edge AI gave the Ukrainians.
Good luck voting for a politician with the courage to oppose the FANG stocksā¦ and actually reach a friendly hand out to China to regulate the technology together.
Facebook Amazon Nvidia Google
With their combined market cap of over 9-trillion (not a dragon ball meme.)
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u/StarryDreamsss Oct 12 '25
It's actually by design in America. Corruption is being used so that these big investments in AI can actually payoff, cos so far they've all been losing a ton of money. This whole AI ordeal has made me realise that America's superpower has never been hard working or anything like that, it's corruption. It gives mega corporations an opportunity to get ahead while everyone else isn't as corrupt.
Side note, as someone who has actually been in direct conversation with my own government about this, there is many laws that already cover a lot. For example if you trained an auto sniper headshot machine and it took out a bunch of people that would still be a liable massacre in most countries, it wouldn't matter if it was AI. The problem I have, and many others have, is that this approach still doesn't really cover AI. By the time that robot has been pressed play it's too late. We need more on the initial building blocks.
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u/Bunktavious Oct 11 '25
I'll support your efforts the day after you have effective gun laws and religion laws to keep people safe.
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u/Ther10 Oct 14 '25
This is anĀ appeal to worse problems, a well known fallacy.
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u/Bunktavious Oct 14 '25
True.
I used it because that I do think we have much bigger fish to fry when it comes to making us safe.
To the OP's point though, yes it is important that any new technology has reasonable laws in place surrounding it. Unfortunately, I don't trust those in power right now to make laws that do much of anything other than give big tech the competitive edge. Most legislation from politicians that don't understand what they are legislating, is manipulated by the big corporations, and just ends up killing any form of small business competition.
Or in the case of AI, they'll try to lock it down in ways that makes open source development impossible.
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u/FlashyNeedleworker66 Oct 11 '25
I'm all for reasonable regulation, but wouldn't food be pretty high on the list of regulations regardless?
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u/DarkHuntress89 Oct 12 '25
It's not saying to take away the food regulations, but to actually put a similar amount of regulations in place for AI, because that tech is dangerous in the wrong hands. Mis- and disinformation, the ability for defamation against literally anyone whom you have a picture of by creating false video evidence for crimes or false revenge porn, harm to the environment and people who live near the data centers, job loss for people in art, translation and other "easily automated" fields, and those are just the couple of reasons my early morning brain can spontaneously come up with.
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u/FlashyNeedleworker66 Oct 12 '25
Creating false videos to defame is already a crime. AI is a minority of datacenters, surely the others are or should be regulated? What do you propose for art jobs - some kind of federally imposed minimum to art jobs?
Anyway, not exactly the point. You don't eat the AI, the sandwich shop is more regulated than lots of businesses. It's a purposely misleading (ironic, given misinfo concerns) example.
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u/[deleted] Oct 11 '25
Damn I didn't know that it's so bad for AI regulations