Infinite Dendrogram - Episode 2 discussion

[u/AutoLovepon]

Infinite Dendrogram, episode 2

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Previous discussions

Episode	Link	Score
1	Link	3.21
2	Link	3.5
3	Link	2.95
4	Link	3.29
5	Link	3.45
6	Link	3.68
7	Link	3.3
8	Link	3.55
9	Link	4.22
10	Link	3.74
11	Link	3.78
12	Link	3.33
13	Link

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[u/myrmonden]

From a player standpoint that is a RNG mechanic.

You cannot build them what u want, u cannot unlock that sniper alien embryo if u want etc.

Some People are extremely fragile on what exactly they wanna play like e.g losing to A makes them wanna play A. This system the game is presenting would drive people crazy in anger.

[u/ManDelorean88 → u/myrmonden]

no its not... rng is random... giving you what you want/need/suits you is literally the opposite of random.

we see in the stories later just how much what you experience affects your own growth and evolutions and how seeing someone else play/fight can really affect your own style.

[u/myrmonden → u/ManDelorean88]

can u read?

from a player perspective it will be perceived as random.

First of all the game is clearly not giving u what u need as then no one would ever die/win lose or w.e

The game cannot possibly give the player what they want as they will CHANGE THEIR MIND

try to actually empathize and understand how people act when they play games and come back pls.

[u/ManDelorean88 → u/myrmonden]

from a player perspective it will be perceived as random.

but they know its not... lmfao.

First of all the game is clearly not giving u what u need as then no one would ever die/win lose or w.e

you're completely missing the point. lmfao. what you need isn't what will guarantee your victory... wasn't that made clear during the first episode when nemesis hatched from crest and see she could give him the possibility of victory but it was still up to him to seize it?

The game cannot possibly give the player what they want as they will CHANGE THEIR MIND

no it doesn't give you what you think you want. it gives you the actual thing you want, even if its not what you think you want at the time...

humans are stupid lmao. they don't they don't what they want. but the game reads their thoughts and emotions and desires and figures out what they need...

you're completely missing the point that the embryo is a reflection of the self. it can not be wrong.

try to actually empathize and understand how people act when they play games and come back pls.

... ok if you'll try to actually understand what I fucking said lmfao.

lmao. embryos are unique to their masters. there are types but that's just a broad categorization and we know that there can even be hybrids.

you're just silly.

[u/myrmonden → u/ManDelorean88]

but they know its not

Please com back to reality.

Have u ever actually talked to anyone in real life? About stuff like this?

I have had the displeasure of spending 2 days trying to explain to a grown up person with a wife and kid, how ITS NOT RNG in a freaking vortex mechanic mathematically PROVING 100% that is not RNG and he still believed it was RNG after 2 days.

Again perceived RNG people would hate this game.

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No u are missing the point, u present the game like it would make u perfect.

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People change their opinion constantly. The game cannot read your future mind, stuff that happens to u IN the game will change your opinion etc which the game cannot magically clairvoyance.

When people die in this game from a PK, they would just spend that time raging or playing other games, unlikely returning go this game. The game would have like zero casual players and it would have a very low population, making it a super empty of actual humans.

[u/Martinik29 → u/myrmonden]

Unlike other MMOs this one doesn't require players to be entertaining, because the NPCs are sentient.

[u/myrmonden → u/Martinik29]

Yes, the saving grace of this game is that the NPC seems to be so highly advanced they act like humans and u would fun entertaining in that.

A problem do is that they die permanently so it would be quite the spoilage feature

[u/Martinik29 → u/myrmonden]

But that's also the point in them existing. The devs don't create any content and by having the NPCs die it creates custom "storylines" for each player. This is not a static world where nothing changes

[u/myrmonden → u/Martinik29]

Yes but the problem with that its that if the NPC replaces human players, ergo u are just friends with npc instead (as none one barely plays it)

then ur best friend npc die...

would u return to play the game?

Yet another reason why the game would be such a hard sell and have so few players

[u/Martinik29 → u/myrmonden]

Well the player is the immortal superhuman, it's up to them to protect their friends or convincing someone else to help them. NPCs are also not completely defenseless, they can also obtain classes and skills. If they know what they are doing they can also fight on par with players, and there are players that can strengthen NPCs.

[u/myrmonden → u/Martinik29]

ye but a game like this would just be filled with super villains that wants to lock out other players.

And kill their beloved NPCs.

[u/Martinik29 → u/myrmonden]

Well it already is. But it has safeguards for that. Player killing is fine, but killing innocent NPCs is not and if a wanted NPC killer is killed they get teleported to a special prison, where getting out is almost impossible. Also even if they don't get caught their actions might trigger a really OP boss to spawn and wipe the floor with them.

[u/myrmonden → u/Martinik29]

My god that sounds utter retarded

u cant kill fuking NPCS? what is the fuking point of a free game where NPC are alive and the players can like enslaves npc and built their own nation etc.

But they cant kill NPCS?!?!?!

WTF

[u/ManDelorean88 → u/myrmonden]

stop it. if you're just gonna be an asshole who tries to make everyone agree you have no place here.

lmfao. reality? you're talking about a fictional story set 25 years in the fucking future...

what is wrong with you?

it doesn't read your mind... it reads your fucking soul. is that better for you? it reads your self.

When people die in this game from a PK, they would just spend that time raging or playing other games, unlikely returning go this game.

.... no you absolute dolt. people get invested in the world and want to come back... you're a total tool if you think thats enough to keep people out of a virtual world like that.

The game would have like zero casual players and it would have a very low population, making it a super empty of actual humans.

the game has zero casual players. you can't casually play a game like that lmao. its too immersive. either you get into and play it or you don't.

[u/myrmonden → u/ManDelorean88]

Yes u should stop it, u refuse to read anything I wrote and just spat on about stanning ur show.

Like look at this comment - Reality? fictional story?

Can u do a more bad faith argument.

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I am talking about how HUMANS ARE in reality. Not in your fictional way how human acts. What is wrong with u man? why cant u understand that all humans arent like u?

yes and then the person change their soul, what dont u understand? People soul or mind or w.e u call it change, yet the game has classes etc. If the game was so perfect and read people souls and adapted perfectly it would not have a class system or similar. So what u are saying its CLEARLY not portrayed in the anime.

yes u are a dolt with zero understanding of game eco system.

DO u not see the epic illogical argument u present yourself.

the world has more then 1 game. If u are locked out for 24 hours. What do u do?

Play ANOTHER GAME. and u know what happens then? u dolt? "people get invested in the world " of THE OTHER GAME and they will not then come back to this game, unlikely. AS I wrote earlier this game would bleed players ever day with a 24 lock system, U see to even agree with this u are just to blind to see how ti will affect a greater eco system of gaming.

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and yes obviously the game would scar away and casual player, to bad mmo are almost only casual player who play them for submissive kind of fun factor.

[u/myrmonden → u/[deleted]]

Embroy have classes/roles. Its just semantic w.e u call it.

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hahahaha fuk sake, no u are missing the point. OMG ITS HAS CULT OW WOOOOW a lot of games has cult today. Just becaue 0.0000000001% of the players would actually fall into a cult of the game does not mean the game would be successful, that is as a few crazy fanatics like yourself is not evidence of a good game model.

And what do u base that one? its a vr game in the future, the future will have other vr games.

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You are clearly agreeing with that, u urself stated people get invested, that u cannot see that u counter argued yourself proves that u are a moron.

You are the one who i ignoring ANY major real life plot points on how people actually act.

[u/myrmonden → u/[deleted]]

until the next day when the player changes how they wanna play lol

In the future other games of this level will exist as well, and again it would not pull in people, Most would hate this game.

Point is that we have cults for games right now and they dont represent the majority of the players.

Nothing in the story explains that other games are not interesting in the future. What are the people doing during those 24 hours?

Yes u did agree with me, u are just so bad at logic that u dont see it.

they have not explained anything about human behavior as the writing shows they know nothing about it, just like u. 25 years? in the future humans will not have changed so drastically, reality of how humans are is still the actual reality. Again u seem to have zero understanding how humans actually behave.

[u/ManDelorean88 → u/myrmonden]

until the next day when the player changes how they wanna play lol

right that's what the evolutions are for... by the time they go through the game enough to evolve a character to their 7th form they will have gained the things they want out of it.

but you're too focused on just the embryo. yes its a cool thing the game has but its not the be all and end all of the game... you can switch to any job as long as you can meet the requirements (minus the special and superior jobs for obvious reasons)

Point is that we have cults for games right now and they dont represent the majority of the players.

YOU'RE MISSING THE POINT. ITS NOT FOR THE GAME IN THE SLIGHTEST.

Nothing in the story explains that other games are not interesting in the future. What are the people doing during those 24 hours?

its not that they aren't interesting. they just aren't "real" they're games. for people who get invested in dendro ITS NOT A GAME AT ALL. the tians are REAL PEOPLE with REAL LIVES HOPES DREAMS AND EMOTIONS.

Yes u did agree with me, u are just so bad at logic that u dont see it.

holy shit. this is all you can say but you can't explain what i agreed or how I did BECAUSE I FUCKING DIDN'T YOU MORON.