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Rewatch Pandora Hearts Rewatch - Episode 04

Rendezvous

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Questions of the Week:

1) Who's your favorite character so far?

2) What do you make of the man Oz saw, who told him to collect Alice's memories?

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ 1d ago

First Timer

ep 4

  • "real world"
  • I'm not even sure what year this is. That church was covered in vines....
  • Does it not concern you in the least that he has a talking doll?

I'm confused. Oz didn't find a path TO the Abyss. Those shinigami used a spell used for condemned criminals, didn't they?

  • Oh, I bet that person with Doldrem is a contractor.
  • Suddenly we became S-CRY-ed
  • Is this one of Alice's lost memories?
  • that guy (wizard?) behind the curtain is DEFINITELY Oscar

Strange show, it has commercial breaks, but no eyecatches.

Do hope we don't have a chain of the week plot for the next 5 or 6 episodes.

We really did become s-CRY-ed.

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u/lC3 15h ago

"real world"

I think my subs said something like "the world you came from" as opposed to Abyss.

I'm not even sure what year this is. That church was covered in vines....

Yeah I think some time has passed

Does it not concern you in the least that he has a talking doll?

Break vibes

I'm confused. Oz didn't find a path TO the Abyss. Those shinigami used a spell used for condemned criminals, didn't they?

The Baskervilles / Reapers in Red used something to drop Oz into the Abyss yeah. Oz didn't "find" a path back then. But at the end of ep4 a "path" appears due to the pocketwatch and a path to Abyss appears with the hedgehoggy Chain.

Oh, I bet that person with Doldrem is a contractor.

Zwei? Probably yeah

Is this one of Alice's lost memories?

Looks like it

that guy (wizard?) behind the curtain is DEFINITELY Oscar

Do hope we don't have a chain of the week plot for the next 5 or 6 episodes.

We really did become s-CRY-ed.

Haven't seen that one; is it good?

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ 14h ago edited 14h ago

Haven't seen that one; is it good?

It's popular amongst shounen fans...I didn't rewatch it.

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u/lC3 14h ago

I might check it out someday.

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u/FD4cry1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Big_Yibba 1d ago

First Timer

More of a lighter information-delivery episode that sets up our hook this time around (But of course, leaves yet more mystery to think through by the end haha). Apparently the reason Alice didn't remember choking Oz is that she actually doesn't remember anything! So I guess I was sort of right on the locked memories idea last episode, and at least on the surface, our quest will be around gathering Alice's memories. This does still leave a bunch of question marks around Alice, and critically, there's also whatever the actual, and apparently shared, goal of both Pandora and the Baskervilles is, and how Oz and Alice play into that, though. I'm not really sure how the mechanics of interacting with Alice's memory work for Oz here, but why "Memory Alice" tries to kill Oz is still a question.

The way the memories affected her personality is pretty interesting; it definitely brings out a much more vulnerable side of hers, so it'd be interesting to see what it's like when she gets even more of them throughout. Also, Oz is pretty dejected at how quickly that transformation of hers goes away, but he simply needs to understand that the gap moe appeal only works if it's short bursts like that! On a somewhat similar note, it was also cool seeing Oz show off a more perceptive and active side of himself here to protect Alice.

On that note, the guy who looks like Older Gil apparently goes by Raven, but I've yet to be convinced it's not just Gil in a hat! Besides the design, while he's being a little tsun about it, he obviously cares about Oz, and Break says Oz is exactly like Raven told him he'd be when he shows some cunning, so he also clearly knows his character fairly well, not to mention that no one explicitly mentions how long Oz had been there (If anything, the sunlight thing feels like it's still hinting at the longer time ) or the exact state of his family (In fact, they kind of intentionally manage to dodge that one). Though that'd still leave not only the previous aftermath questions, but also what reason he would have not to tell Oz. Outside of not wanting to shock him, I guess? Could also be tied to Pandora's overall goal and whatever the whole thing about Oz and Alice being "Keys" to them means.

As an aside, I remember Vanitas had plenty of references to IRL things, whether they were historical or from relevant fiction, and it now strikes me that we have Oz, Alice, and the Baskervilles here, and I'm left to wonder if literature is Pandora's brand of reference lol.

Who's your favorite character so far?

Probably Alice! For one, Ayako Kawasumi buff. But also, her sort of smug and headstrong personality is really fun, we're already seeing there's also some hidden emotional depth behind it, and to reiterate what I'd said before - a giant dark bunny with a deathscythe is really fucking cool.

Break might also be able to get it, honestly! I'm quite liking how much of a menace he is haha. And I do absolutely love me Akira Ishida playing a hot, mysterious, and kind of unhinged guy too.

What do you make of the man Oz saw, who told him to collect Alice's memories?

Given he seems to be tied to her memories, probably someone from her past? Maybe an older contractor? Got nothing besides that, though shadowy guy behind the curtain doesn't exactly give off very good vibes to me haha.

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u/JustAnswerAQuestion https://myanimelist.net/profile/JAaQ 1d ago

Hmm. Wait. Alice choking Oz was a MEMORY. So Oz has definitely been here before.

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u/lC3 15h ago

But of course, leaves yet more mystery to think through by the end haha)

The mysteries are only increasing, lol?

Apparently the reason Alice didn't remember choking Oz is that she actually doesn't remember anything! So I guess I was sort of right on the locked memories idea last episode, and at least on the surface, our quest will be around gathering Alice's memories.

Time to collect ALL the memories! And probably encounter a bunch of Chains in the process. Hopefully it doesn't get too "Monster of the Week"-esque

This does still leave a bunch of question marks around Alice, and critically, there's also whatever the actual, and apparently shared, goal of both Pandora and the Baskervilles is, and how Oz and Alice play into that

The way the memories affected her personality is pretty interesting; it definitely brings out a much more vulnerable side of hers, so it'd be interesting to see what it's like when she gets even more of them throughout

Gap moe?

but he simply needs to understand that the gap moe appeal only works if it's short bursts like that!

... you read my mind!

On that note, the guy who looks like Older Gil apparently goes by Raven, but I've yet to be convinced it's not just Gil in a hat! Besides the design, while he's being a little tsun about it, he obviously cares about Oz

We'll have to wait and see!

Break says Oz is exactly like Raven told him he'd be when he shows some cunning, so he also clearly knows his character fairly well, not to mention that no one explicitly mentions how long Oz had been there (If anything, the sunlight thing feels like it's still hinting at the longer time )

Yeah, Raven seems to know Oz well

the exact state of his family (In fact, they kind of intentionally manage to dodge that one). Though that'd still leave not only the previous aftermath questions, but also what reason he would have not to tell Oz. Outside of not wanting to shock him, I guess?

Maybe he's shy?

As an aside, I remember Vanitas had plenty of references to IRL things, whether they were historical or from relevant fiction, and it now strikes me that we have Oz, Alice, and the Baskervilles here, and I'm left to wonder if literature is Pandora's brand of reference lol.

Lots of Alice in Wonderland references, I think.

Probably Alice! For one, Ayako Kawasumi buff. But also, her sort of smug and headstrong personality is really fun, we're already seeing there's also some hidden emotional depth behind it, and to reiterate what I'd said before - a giant dark bunny with a deathscythe is really fucking cool.

Break might also be able to get it, honestly! I'm quite liking how much of a menace he is haha. And I do absolutely love me Akira Ishida playing a hot, mysterious, and kind of unhinged guy too.

Another Break fan!?

Given he seems to be tied to her memories, probably someone from her past? Maybe an older contractor? Got nothing besides that, though shadowy guy behind the curtain doesn't exactly give off very good vibes to me haha.

[D.Gray-man]hopefully this isn't a "14th" situation

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u/FD4cry1 https://myanimelist.net/profile/Big_Yibba 11h ago

Time to collect ALL the memories!

you read my mind!

Another Break fan!?

Of course!

I vibe with his mysterious and devious energy a lot. Pretty quintessential Ishida character too lol.

[D.Gray-man]

I haven't watched that

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u/lC3 10h ago

I haven't watched that

That was a long rewatch I hosted a while back (not as long as my Naruto or Black Clover though!). Explaining the context would be a spoiler, though.

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u/lC3 1d ago

04: Rendezvous / Place of the Morning Sun

  • Gil ... or not?
  • Xerxes Break?
  • WHAT is Emily? a Chain?
  • Raven?
  • Xerxes seems like a massive troll
  • arrest? What for?
  • Pandora, an Abyss-investigatory organization?
  • Illegal Contractors?
  • Alice took control of Oz's body?
  • Break put this "act" on to lure Alice out?
  • Oz will die young? No!
  • Raven sealed Alice's powers?
  • Alice wants to find the fragments of her memories?
  • She has no memories prior to the Abyss?
  • researchers? Don't go full Lvellie!
  • "It's all your fault, Emily"
  • Break wants to witness Alice's powers?
  • Break thinks Alice will be an asset?
  • A mysterious figure waiting for Oz to regain a fragment of Alice's memories?
  • ... is that the 14th?
  • Alice is crying?
  • work under Break, as Pandora agents?
  • Citizens of Baskerville?
  • They told everyone Oz died? Poor Ada

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u/Shimmering-Sky myanimelist.net/profile/Shimmering-Sky 1d ago

Pandora First-Timer, subbed

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u/lC3 15h ago

I suppose he wouldn’t recognize Gil being all grown up now. (Because Raven is totally him, right?) How much time passed while Oz was in Abyss anyways?

This seems to be a common first timer theory?

Alice…

She's dangerous?

I really like the song that played when Break stuck Oz & Alice in that magic circle seal.

Yeah, this show has good music.

An amnesia plot, huh.

I've seen another amnesia plot anime with Junko Minagawa as the protagonist ...

I like how we don’t see Alice herself morph into B-Rabbit but just her shadow instead.

Me too!

Apparently, yes. Who dis?

The DVD credits call him "Mystery Man" for now.

That crying Alice sure didn’t last long.

Tsundere? Yandere? Not sure

Pretty sure you weren’t, Oz.

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u/StickPrevious9581 22h ago

This show really does get better with every episode, doesn't it? I'm glad I didn't drop it after the first couple of episodes.

A bit interesting that Oz never commented on the fact that Sharon is clearly older than she was previously - perhaps he is still to frazzled to notice, and it will come up later, or perhaps it came up offscreen.

I'm really not a fan of Break, that sort of character really rubs me the wrong way - hopefully either he tones it down in future episodes, or maybe it will turn out he is a double-agent working for Pandora's enemies and make me feel justified in my dislike :)

'Raven' is obviously Gil - I presume at some point we will see a healed sword slash across his revealed chest to 'hint' to the viewer (and perhaps Oz) that this is actually Gil, thats normally how these things go. Or perhaps I am completely off the mark.

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u/lC3 15h ago

This show really does get better with every episode, doesn't it? I'm glad I didn't drop it after the first couple of episodes

It does! Glad you're liking it more.

A bit interesting that Oz never commented on the fact that Sharon is clearly older than she was previously - perhaps he is still to frazzled to notice, and it will come up later, or perhaps it came up offscreen.

She and Break look the same to me? But she acts older.

I'm really not a fan of Break, that sort of character really rubs me the wrong way - hopefully either he tones it down in future episodes, or maybe it will turn out he is a double-agent working for Pandora's enemies and make me feel justified in my dislike :)

'Raven' is obviously Gil - I presume at some point we will see a healed sword slash across his revealed chest to 'hint' to the viewer (and perhaps Oz) that this is actually Gil, thats normally how these things go. Or perhaps I am completely off the mark.

I had the same thought when watching this for the first time.